View Full Version : Trying to find the best looking shield for Phoenix
As the title says I am looking to make a phoenix for my kicker. I have a 165 def monarch ready, however I really do not like the look of that yellow shield. If I were to say, socket a ruby in the monarch, then use a hel to remove it, does it keep its red colour? or revert back to yellow?
I am considering trying to find an Aegis, it looks much nicer. I am open to any ideas you assassin fans have in mind.
Thanks,
Peytron
If you insist, a monarch.
However, Phoenix is not a good kick shield at all.
you should really use a different shield, unless you're just using it on weapon switch or something to flash redemption.
I thought phoenix was the optimal choice for a shield, although I am rather new to the class. The guide suggests phoenix, but if you have a better option I am all ears. Thanks guys.
I guess if the author is correct in it not slowing down your kicks, it is alright. I always thought it was pretty bad when it came to very fast attacks in particular.
Oh and you only have 2 options for shield looks. Monarch / Ward or Aegis. And aegis requires 208 str.
I have enough str for the aegis, I also have a 165 def monarch with 4os. However apparently the firestorm from the phoenix will interrupt my blade fury. Not too sure what to do, what kind of shields are other people finding better for the warrior monk? I read through all the replies for that thread, but nothing really stood out for shield options.
Scudstorm
24-07-2009, 04:12
Stormshield, Sanctuary, Upp'ed Moser's, Tiamat's Rebuke, Head Hunter's, Whistan's... all depending what you want from the shield slot.
The ctc Firestorm, when triggered on the last kicks, will slow down you kick cycles too. Coupled with the existing chance-to-hit problems in UT, you'd potentially be looking at some big regen from the Ubers due to lack of constant application of OW. Could probably get you killed too if you're unlucky.
IMO physical damage on DTalon isn't the way to go.
Currently working through hell act one, I am hoping for the best uber killer possible. Here is my current gear setup:
Helm: Guillame's face
Amulet: Mara's, 27 res.
Armour: Fortitude in a perfect 15 Edef laquered plate.
Ring 1: 9 life leech carrion.
Ring 2: Raven frost, 16 dex, 320 attack rating.
Gloves: Laying of Hands, considering swapping for Trang's gloves.
Weapon: Last wish, 63 crushing blow.
Shield: Whistan's guard.
Belt: Nosferatu's coil.
Boots: Gore riders, soon to be upped.
Skills:
Max dragon talon, shadow master, venom.
A few points in fade to last until fade from last wish triggers.
One point blade fury.
The cost of the shield really is not an issue at this point. I just need to know what is the absolute best to wear with my current gear setup.
Honestly, Last Wish sucks to do ubers with. It drops thier life quick, but takes forever to take em out the little bit of life they got left when CB becomes less effective. I can think of more useful weapons. Fade is not needed cept for Meph, and the constant casting of it slows you down.
You actually have a greater survival rate when using a dual claw setup and a high block rate. SS's extra 35% DR can't even compare to it. Your going to have to put up with alot of missle enemies anyways and even with a 50% claw block you'll be blocking half of what comes at you, a real lifesaver in the Matron's Den.
Your also better off using CoH instead of Fort. 300% ED does barely nothing at all for kicks and besides, CoH does 200% dmg to demons.
c/c can happen, but w/s kickers are far more optimal. Stormshield is probably the best shield you can get.
Not only does a phys dtalon not do well, but the redemption screws you over without the ability to Dsentry. Also, terrible block and no dr.
And I can never remember if ed% demons worked on kicks, if I'm mistaking for smite, or what. I can't even find specifically that (just a list of ed%) but I vaguely recall it not working, or at least a rumor, idk.
Even still, the ed% isn't going to help since there's (rightfully) little to no phys focus.
Oh trust me, c/c will do a much better job at keeping you from dying. Dracs life tap kicks in quickly for a kicker so it all works smoothly. I get less killing speed over my Lawbringer or Azurewrath, but I can stand in a crowd and take a turret of missles from those amping succubi. Try that with my SS and im dead.
I'd use String of Ears over Nos Coil. Magic damage reduced by 15 makes a drastic difference in the long run.
Scudstorm
24-07-2009, 17:57
And I can never remember if ed% demons worked on kicks, if I'm mistaking for smite, or what. I can't even find specifically that (just a list of ed%) but I vaguely recall it not working, or at least a rumor, idk.
Doesn't work with Kicks and Smite.
@OP: You have way too much CB. And generally speaking, it's not a good idea to take a Whistan's into UT... As that shield is there for you to get max block with less dex, it means if you want max block and want to swap shields from time to time, don't use it.
Okay, so if I do not want to go c/c, I can use Head hunter's, which should provide me with the defense vs. missile. If someone can point me to an uber killing c/c guide, I will reconsider.
I have a couple options for damage reduction, I can swap in string of ears as was mentioned, or I can swap a vampire gaze in to replace the guillame's face.
I can switch the fortitude for a chains of honour as well. The resists will help.
The only claw option you have for CB would be to go with Strength.
I'm not sure, but I think w/s is generally better for kickers, but as noted in the recent BF analysis, claws are better for BF.
IMO however, last wish should be pretty adequate for you, and using SS if you think you need the DR, or even mosers or tiamats.
With your current setup you really could drop your hat for something else because you have just SO much cb already. You will lose slight bfury damage because of the loss of deadly strike, but some other options would be Kiras guardian (frees up a ring slot and gives tons of res), vamp gaze (mdr / dr / leech).
Vamp gaze would essentially max your DR if you were using SoE (15% from SoE, 11% from fade 20% from Gaze would be 45%) which would eliminate the need for stormshield, and open up the option of using tiamats or mosers. Tiamats would add a decent amount of ele dmg, mosers would add resistance (and potentially damage if you were to go with 40% ed jewels). Another option might be sanctuary also (ko-ko-mal) or Gerkes Sanctuary for pdr / mdr. There's a lot of options for shields, and i think it just dpeends on what you want to focus on related to what you should use.
IMO your setup is pretty good. I would just work on choosing the shield and helm. I think last wish is probably the best kicker / bf weapon for dual duty, and probably the best ubering wpn.
As for gloves, IMO you might want to spend some time crafting some blood gloves, if you are dropping your guillames. You can get some more CB, 20% ias, and some more life with res if you're lucky, otherwise loh is probably good for the resistance and ias.
I don't think you need to swap out your fortitude. It gives such a huge bonus to BF and a decent bonus to dtalon also.
Oh trust me, c/c will do a much better job at keeping you from dying. Dracs life tap kicks in quickly for a kicker so it all works smoothly. I get less killing speed over my Lawbringer or Azurewrath, but I can stand in a crowd and take a turret of missles from those amping succubi. Try that with my SS and im dead.
I'd use String of Ears over Nos Coil. Magic damage reduced by 15 makes a drastic difference in the long run.Or you could use w/s and they aren't even shooting at you. yes, c/c works wonders vs spells, but as a kicker, w/s is better. Monsters can be blinded, so w/s is far more capable of used and gives you bonuses no claw can hope to give.
Doesn't work with Kicks and Smite.Thought it was both. ><
Or you could use w/s and they aren't even shooting at you. yes, c/c works wonders vs spells, but as a kicker, w/s is better. Monsters can be blinded, so w/s is far more capable of used and gives you bonuses no claw can hope to give.
Life tap overrides cloak of shadow's blinding effect so casting that only helps you briefly. Headhunters +def vs missle is useless. It doesn't help you block the dozens of magic attacks coming at you and it has no extra blocking. Honestly, SS is a little pointless when the thing to be most concerned about is elemental dmg.
From experience, c/c is the safest choice and you don't need a claw with CB. 50% CB from helm and gores works just fine.
Life tap overrides cloak of shadow's blinding effect so casting that only helps you briefly. The initial blinding is all that ever mattered. :)
Headhunters +def vs missle is useless.I never mentioned Head hunters, nor would I use it.
Honestly, SS is a little pointless when the thing to be most concerned about is elemental dmg.
I never really have any problems with it on a w/s. Ofc I can't block it, but it never bothers me since I out weigh the inability to block it by having much better mods.
From experience, c/c is the safest choice and you don't need a claw with CB. 50% CB from helm and gores works just fine.Safe from elemental, but majority of the things are melee, especially bosses when up close (kicking them). Also, claw's don't have ctc static field, 35% dr, res, as much block, or slows enemy by %. w/s does. For a pvm kicker, w/s is always best. PvP is where c/c is the main way to go (where the safety is needed over other things. such isn't the case in pvm).
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