Is Doom Bm against smiters?

[Timmy]

Is 2 x Doom against smiter bm on a BvC? :)

[Master Zap]

Is 2 x Doom against smiter bm on a BvC? :)

There is no set definition on whats GM and whats BM.

The exception to this rule is in privt dueling leagues, and if your in one of these you wouldn't need to ask, simply refer to your "charter". So lets assume the pub thing where 99% of the duelers play.

item choice and skill selection on charaters = never bm
Nk'ing, bad mouthing and tg'ing and using exploits/hacks= bm


There, that's all there is to know.:thumbup:

I can tell you that smiters can pretty easily overcome the 50% slow with a little ias stack. Dooms work great vs Zons

0.02

[wizAdept]

Is 2 x Doom against smiter bm on a BvC? :)

Depends on where you duel. The rulesets for GM dueling are different from community to community.

Chances are pubs while whine and cry about the use of doom much like they whine or cry about any tactic other than pure ww with nothing else involved. (lets simplify the duel for them right?)

Personally I think there is nothing wrong with doom vs smiters, it is a viable tactic and every smiter can hf flash a bvc with their natural hf skill - just like hf can be used to slow down smite speed and clip outside smite range easier, a smiter can use hf to slow down ww movement speed and attempt to keep the bvc in smite range longer after telestomping. Viable tactic for both sides.

Ive used 2x doom flashing with grief/beast mainhand vs smiters most of the time, as well as sometimes mixing up with 1x doom on main. You don't want to use 2x doom main because doom has some ****ty damage compared to other bvc weapons, its just good for the hf.


If you duel in pubs get ready for a lot of whining. Players think any skill that causes slow is bm for some reason.

[Jinchuu]

Holy Freeze is BM, but smiters are lame so freeze those bastards all you want.

[Uncle_Mike]

Holy Freeze is BM, but smiters are lame so freeze those bastards all you want.

I'd say that no skills are BM unless it's in a controlled environment where players agree to follow a previously accepted ruleset.

[crawlingdeadman]

Holy Freeze is BM, but smiters are lame so freeze those bastards all you want.

took the words right outta my mouth.

[Timmy]

My main concern is private duels. I lost 5-0 the other time against a really good telesmiter so I'm looking to improve my barb ( I didn't use chant, prebo and stuff like that ) :crazyeyes: He's much stronger now than last time, leveled him to 96 now and got some max/ar/life charms in stash that I'll switch out for the life/res charms which I don't need against smiters. But I'm still wondering about these 2 options ( I have enough stat points left :P )

1) Pure Vita using hoto + CTA on switch & Replace Grief by Doom in pubs ( can't wear CoA if I replace Beast )
or
2) Invest 18 points in strenght so that I can have 2 x Doom + CoA on Bo switch or Grief + Doom + CoA on Main switch ( without the strenght of beast I can't wear CoA )

But it seems that in legit duels, those 18 points in strenght will be pure waste since I won't be allowed to use Doom :(

( Forti switch is no option, I have to level to 99 to have enough stat points for 53 strenght :P )

[crawlingdeadman]

if this is for private duels why the hell are you asking us? ask your opponent(s).

[Timmy]

I also take it to pub duels ofcourse. Was just looking for more input. :wink:

I think I'll dump the idea of using Doom in combination with a CoA. The only time I needed the Dual Dooms is to stop desyncing hammerdins and I use Arreats in those duels anyway. :whistling:

[drake]

Holy Freeze is BM, but smiters are lame so freeze those bastards all you want.

lol, my thoughts exactly.

defiance aura around mr. smiter => mr. bvc brings the doomz, the clegaws and the lifetap wand.

[sweetalmonds]

smiters r teh pro
nn cry cuz u lose
qq more plz

[LLD]

There is no set definition on whats GM and whats BM.

The exception to this rule is in privt dueling leagues, and if your in one of these you wouldn't need to ask, simply refer to your "charter". So lets assume the pub thing where 99% of the duelers play.

item choice and skill selection on charaters = never bm
Nk'ing, bad mouthing and tg'ing and using exploits/hacks= bm


There, that's all there is to know.:thumbup:

I can tell you that smiters can pretty easily overcome the 50% slow with a little ias stack. Dooms work great vs Zons

0.02

Shenanigans and frolics I say.
How about Iron maiden? How about revives? Can we forget massive stacking and sorbing? All of those things give a character an almost impossible handicap that their opponent(depending on the class) would have no chance in winning.
Gear choice and skill selection is VERY critical to some peoples BM, dont get it twisted.

[Narc]

Shenanigans and frolics I say.
How about Iron maiden? How about revives? Can we forget massive stacking and sorbing? All of those things give a character an almost impossible handicap that their opponent(depending on the class) would have no chance in winning.
Gear choice and skill selection is VERY critical to some peoples BM, dont get it twisted.

Summary: Don't do something item-based, or diablo-skill-based (as opposed to player-skill-based) that allows you to absolutely curbstomp your opponent. Try to have fun, and have even matches, not just rape.

Blizzard didn't balance for PvP (well, they didn't balance for PvM either, but that's another story), so that's why you do what you can to have an even fight.

[mephiztophelez]

imho: doom isn't "bm".

hell, i actually kind of like it when a barb throws on 2xdoom vs my HoZ/Bloodfists smiter. their damage goes through the toilet while i can stack out most of the slow (i think i'm down to a 7 frame smite).

so it doesn't really worry me.

what does make me laugh is Exile/Dracs smiter whinging about me using Holy Freeze in smite v smite matches.

Shenanigans and frolics I say.
How about Iron maiden? How about revives? Can we forget massive stacking and sorbing? All of those things give a character an almost impossible handicap that their opponent(depending on the class) would have no chance in winning.
Gear choice and skill selection is VERY critical to some peoples BM, dont get it twisted.
i'll agree with you on Absorb and i rekon Iron Maiden should receive the same PvP nerf that Thorns got ages ago.

so that's why you do what you can to have an even fight.

there's a big difference between 'having an even fight' and 'sorbing yon fire sork so their capped out FB's heal you'.

[Jordanbcool]

Doomz for me had always been BM. However, once I saw so many farcasting zons, massive absorb, revives, lifetap and other abuses I had no problem busting it out. It levels the playing field on faracasting zons, and lifetapping palidans. I also found that way more people accept that its pubs and the people who complain are in the minority. Most people generally accept that everything is fair game in pubs.

Griefz is soo much better then doomz though, so now I never use doomz and am about to trade it. The cold aura doesn't make up for the massive damage a griefz can dish out.

[Akimbo]

Holy Freeze is BM, but smiters are lame so freeze those bastards all you want.

This man speaks the truth.

[wizAdept]

Griefz is soo much better then doomz though, so now I never use doomz and am about to trade it. The cold aura doesn't make up for the massive damage a griefz can dish out.

Ya, doom hits do so little damage compared to grief. That's why I like flashing with 2x doom to freeze then switching back to grief/beast for the whirl instead of using the dooms themselves to whirl. :pancake:

[MysticDragon]

I haven't used 2x Doom switch in a loooooooooooooong time. I figure it's too much of a hassle. If you want to use it, more power to you. Doesn't really matter what others think.

As for revives, I can handle them just fine with a BvC. It's especially fun to hunt them down while they are doing so. I R PRO PROWLER/HUNTER. GOGO wait 18 minutes for a kill.

[LLD]

Doomz is BM vs GM smiters in 1v1's
Of course, in pub games, nothing is BM anyways so doom it all you want