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sectoid
01-07-2009, 04:26
Sorry if someone has already thought of these ideas before, I can't keep up with the forum these days.

But here and there always come these posts of "what if cain is evil?" and recently there was one about him being the greatest evil of all, the father of the 3 prime evils or such.

Well, I do not agree with these lines, but I concede the point that that whole cage thing is really strange. This together with the idea of a yet greater evil got me thinking, so, come along with me (please take into account the fact that I've not read the books yet, so contradict me if needed):

1) A greater evil than Diablo?? He's the major character / star of the series and has his name as the game title. A yet greater evil would imply that the series would continue (as Blizzard already mentioned it will) with another name, which I find absurd. Diablo WILL remain as the baddest *** around, in my opinion.
2) Yeah but how will they go forward with the series then, if this "arc" of Sanctuary will end with D3? And how can Diablo continue to be the final boss, but introducing new other bosses?
3) What came to my mind is this: WHAT IF Diablo's real plan from the very beginning is TO KILL HIS BROTHERS AND TAKE TOTAL CONTROL OF HELL, so that with the combined powers of Hell under one single command, he can finally conquer Sanctuary and then the Heavens?
4) He couldn't best his brothers alone, so he needed outside help (Sanctuary's). But maybe he wasn't even thinking of this before finding Sanctuary. Again, WHAT IF Cain, as one of the Horadrim (not last, mind you), purposedly or accidentally got in touch with Diablo somehow, and agreed to, was forced to, or even proposed, this kind of plan? To be able to go on, sooner or later he had to kill every other Horadrim.
5) Cain could be the one who first let demons come to Sanctuary.
6) These are also plausible reasons for him being spared (both in D2 and D3's catacombs), living for so long, and driving heroes perfectly into Diablo's plans in the previous games.
7) And what about that end of the Sanctuary Arc? What I think is that Sanctuary WILL BE DESTROYED in D3. Just as Baal and Mephisto (to be replaced by new bosses). Some heroes (Barbarian?) and/or characters(Leah?) may escape to another realm somehow, to start another resistance / rebellion :P. I don't know about Heaven, but with the destruction of Sanctuary, Heaven and Hell may continue forever stuck in war and so they have to turn to other realms than Sanctuary (they´ll discover about them in D3) for help.
8) Or Sanctuary and Heaven may be conquered or destroyed (less probable because religious people would be pissed) and so Hell turns its ugly beasts toward other realms.
9) Cain may really be good after all (or at the end if what I thought about him turns out right) and so he would die to make it possible for some people (heroes, Leah) to escape into other realms.

So, what do you think? Pretty far along we've come, haven't we? Right or wrong, it doesn't matter: it's fun to conceive lore for this game and hear what you all think of it. Personally I would be fine with something as this, should it be presented in a dramatic way as D1 and D2 were (for me at least they were, specially because of the narrators's voice acting). But if it turns out true, I'll be sad, 'cause I like surprises :thumbup:
I hope it's something even better!!

lunarleif
01-07-2009, 18:29
My opinion is that Cain may be the ultimate evil, but is trapped in his form. This may have been done as a joke from heaven, by the Nephalem, or the three prime evils. Also, Cain goes from looking like he was 30 to looking like he was 80 over the course of 10 years. In Diablo 3, he looks almost the same, which makes no sense, since that was 20 years more and he looks the same. Mephisto sub-technically was a greater evil than Diablo since he was much smarter.

GuardianHadriel
01-07-2009, 19:45
CAIN IS JUST A NICE OLD GUY OFFERING YOU MILK AND COOKIES!!!
And changing to an other realm sounds too sci-fi...
and lunarleif, in D2 he looks (imo) exactly 10 years older than in D1(only blizzard knows what he really looks like in D1 and D2) and it seems on cains looks in d3 20 years have passed...

sectoid
01-07-2009, 21:31
lunarleif,

As I said, I don't think they'll come up with a greater evil than the 3 brothers. It would be throwing out the game name.

GuardianHadriel,

I used the word "realm" because that's what I remember some Blizzard guy said, but my memory is known for playing tricks on me. But I do think it was said somewhere that D3 would finish the whole Sanctuary problem, and that there are other realms in the Diablo universe. Can anyone confirm / find a link?

DWS
01-07-2009, 23:41
Sure anybody can post anything here. For example I can post my own theory about Diablo and Tyreal's torrid love affair many years ago. Their break up is the reason heaven and hell split up and are now at odds with each other.

I have no proof. And none of that is based on anything that happened in game or with lore or anything else that might give some clue or reasoning why I think that's the story line. But I think it fits well with this thread and a few others.

sectoid
02-07-2009, 02:40
Thanks DWS!
I think your theory deserves its own topic, it's quite good! I would expect nothing less from a barbarian powerpuff troll :D

lunarleif
02-07-2009, 04:00
Seriously? Next thing you know we'll be facing their children as the main enemies :D

lunarleif
02-07-2009, 07:54
Here's another theory.
With the explosion small shards of the worldstone - similar to the soulstones which once were supposed to hold the Lords of Hell prisoner - were scattered all around the crater of former Mt. Arreat. To avert the threat of the Lords ever returning, servants of the Heavens collect those shards. Thoroughly locked away and guarded by the best of Heavens' warriors the shards shall never again release their demonic content.

But some of the corrupted shards could not be found, for they once struck the archangel Tyrael at the destruction of the worldstone. For twenty years the archangel struggled only to succumb to the stones' evil force in the end. The more his powers faded, the stronger grew the alien force in him, more and more turning him into a servant of evil.

Strengthened by the demonic power, Tyrael enters the realms of Heaven and releases the evils contained in the worldstone-shards from their prison. He casts the shards, including their hellish substance, back to Sanctuary as a fiery harbinger of doom, right upon the place where once Diablo walked the earth for the first time.

Cain, too, had been on the way to Tristram cathedral, so as to look for new ways to destroy evil. Though he perceives the danger he arrives to late. The three Evils had already taken possesion of humans again and were gathering a new army.

The Three had - as it later will be reported - already departed northwards to the realm of terror shortly after Cains' arrival, bent on creating a new gate to Hell at the arreatcrater there. With its' help they will try to summon the four lesser Evils and a much larger army.....


Translation by Quartan

lunarleif
02-07-2009, 07:55
I got that by typing diablo 4 in google :D

DWS
02-07-2009, 14:00
Thanks DWS!
I think your theory deserves its own topic, it's quite good! I would expect nothing less from a barbarian powerpuff troll :D

Glad I could live up to your expectations. :crazyeyes:

Risingred
02-07-2009, 16:08
I think that Cain keeps showing up and surviving simply because he's almost a trademark of the series. He's an icon. Having a Diablo game without Cain is like having a Diablo game without Diablo.

He's one of the few returning character elements...I think they bend lore around him, not bend him to the lore. I know that's not the most interesting or spectacular thing in the world, just my opinion.

zelathon
16-09-2009, 10:37
I think that the teaser tells us something. I don't think the three-headed beast is diablo, or something even more powerful than diablo. Those 3 heads suggests it might be a combination of 3 creatures, like the 3 brothers.

Diablo 2 has given us the impression that those 3 are the rulers of the Burning Hells, so if we killed them and they don't appear in Diablo 3 in some way, why would facing other lower-rank demons would be a challenge ?

jamesL
17-09-2009, 15:33
I think that Cain keeps showing up and surviving simply because he's almost a trademark of the series. He's an icon. Having a Diablo game without Cain is like having a Diablo game without Diablo.

He's one of the few returning character elements...I think they bend lore around him, not bend him to the lore. I know that's not the most interesting or spectacular thing in the world, just my opinion.

Cain actually bends the lore to fit himself
Cain is like Q from Star Trek, The Next Generation
he's god like, but has taken on human form to toy with humanity; he keeps appearing in the role of guide and sage, but its all a trick. He's really screwing around with heros seeing how much punishment he can dish out before anyone figures out what's really going on

PathofAsura
17-09-2009, 18:01
What if Cain were the Lord of Deception? Somewhat similar to the way that Murmur was in Hellgate: London. He poses as the "last horadrim" and tags along at the player's side. Finally at some later time.... BAM! Big Reveal.

Detheroc
24-09-2009, 18:02
Having Cain turn out to be some Big Bad Dude(TM) is not impossible, but in my humble opinion it would really suck. Especially so because that plot device has already been used in Hellgate: London. Too outlandish too.

If Cain goes all evil-like, who's gonna provide us with exciting lore in the expansion pack? Adria?! Leah!?!? Neither of those two would cut it. We need our beloved old, wise sage loremaster Cain to stay that way. But I'm glad that he's evolved from his previous incarnations (feeling guilty about having initially dismissed the old stories and all).

I'll admit that it makes perfect sense for someone like The Lord of Lies to disguise himself as a well-liked character. But then, the current incarnation of Cain would hardly do, since from what I gather from the developers, most people in the game-world are dismissing his warnings (and considering him a bit of a crackpot) - not popular enough, and thus, not effective enough at manipulating people.

A manipulative villain like Belial would take the guise of someone who seems ever so sane, ever so clever and awesome, and ever so nice.
People tend to respect and follow those who put up a "I'm so awesome" facade, who tell them what they want to hear; Belial would ideally be someone like that. He tells everyone what they want to hear and reassures everyone that things will be ok (contrary to Cain who goes about and is like: "Oh woe is us! Doomsday be coming! Repent!"), while secretly using the gullibility and ignorance of the people who admire him to ruin their lives.

Heh, already in Diablo 2, there was at least Gheed who considered Cain a "crazy ol' coot". There'd be more such characters in Diablo 3 for sure, who just think of Cain as a crazy old fool.

Cormac McArt
25-09-2009, 07:15
CAIN IS JUST A NICE OLD GUY OFFERING YOU MILK AND COOKIES!!!
And changing to an other realm sounds too sci-fi...
and lunarleif, in D2 he looks (imo) exactly 10 years older than in D1(only blizzard knows what he really looks like in D1 and D2) and it seems on cains looks in d3 20 years have passed...
I love that! =)

jamesL
25-09-2009, 15:21
CAIN IS JUST A NICE OLD GUY OFFERING YOU MILK AND COOKIES!!!
...
and drives a beat up old van, and has toys in his basement.

ask_dk
25-09-2009, 20:20
and drives a beat up old van, and has toys in his basement.
Hehe. This doesnt get any better:thumbup:

DeckardCain
06-10-2009, 21:24
My opinion is that Cain may be the ultimate evil, but is trapped in his form. This may have been done as a joke from heaven, by the Nephalem, or the three prime evils. Also, Cain goes from looking like he was 30 to looking like he was 80 over the course of 10 years. In Diablo 3, he looks almost the same, which makes no sense, since that was 20 years more and he looks the same. Mephisto sub-technically was a greater evil than Diablo since he was much smarter.

Ahem, I don't mind being called evil...but that is rude to call me old looking

XD :P