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purplelocust
10-06-2009, 17:35
OK, I admit it, I have complusive tendencies to collect D2 things. I'm not alone, as witnessed by various grail tasks:
Here are the existing grails:
Item grail (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=337205): the central goal, collect one of each possible set or unique item
Perfect grail (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=517261): collect best possible versions of set and unique items, some of which have highly variable stats
Ormus' Robes grail (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=571669): collect all 25 possible +sorc skill Ormus' Robes
Ethereal grail (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=317848): collect ethereal versions of uniques which can spawn ethereal
So I've been thinking about and toying with several other potential grails:
1) The staffmod grail:
Goal: to get items with staffmod bonuses to every possible skill
Items of interest: wands, scepters, pelts, barb helms, claws
Scoring: for each skill, either 1,2, or 3 points for +1, +2 or +3 to that skill if you have an item with that as its staffmod
Issues: There are some staffmods that are notoriously hard to spawn (Whirlwind, Holy Shield, Smite, ...) as well as the claw staffmods having problems with the lower tier skills, which can be coped with indirectly via cube manipulations. Who said this had to be easy? At least it gives a reason to be excited when finding up a +3 Solar Creeper pelt.
2) The elite socket grail:
Goal: to get socketed (grey) elite items with every possible number of sockets.
Items of interest: elite weapons and armor
Scoring: 1 point for each elite item type with a different number of sockets. I wouldn't count or collect one-socket items, though. This could have both ethereal and non-ethereal components. For example, to get full score in the "Mancatcher" entry, you would need a total of 8 mancatchers- ethereal and non-ethereal versions with 2,3,4 and 5 sockets. Combining with superior could make this even more ridiculous.
Issues: It's not like anyone is really hunting for a 2 socket hydraskull, but I've already started on this somewhat. Partly just out of compulsion, justitifed weakly with the idea to be ready in case 1.13 has some useful runewords, for example for orbs or spears.
3) The played TC87 grail:
Goal: for each TC87 item found, have a character who equips it and actually makes use of it in a reasonable way.
Items of interest: TC87 uniques, although it could apply to other items as well.
Idea: TC87 uniques are so hard to find. Mnay of them are quite useful but a bunch of them basically just sit there once found. The idea would be to build characters who can actually use some of the more useless items there.
4) The title grail:
Goal: to have at least one character with each title King/Queen/Guardian/etc.
Scoring: by my count, there are 19 titles total. That includes the difficulty, gender, classic/LoD and HC/SC combinations.
Issues: to be reasonable, the lower titles should be done with seriously underpowered characters or equipment restrictions.
5) The failed grail:
Goal: to get failed set/unique items for each TC87
Scoring: count the double durability magic and triple durability rare items for TC87 item types with durability
Issues: I used to pick these up and think wistfully what they might have been. But I don't see too much point in trying to collect them.
I'd love to hear ideas about these and other potential grails!
dune6836
10-06-2009, 17:52
i have those you linked too and also i am collecting an eth belt grail (the exceptional ones are proving elusive so far) and a cathans seal grail (one from each possible ilvl)
i spose i could collect rare scourges too but that would probably drive me even further into the bottle.
there ends my madness..so far
Once In a Blue
10-06-2009, 17:58
I was never one to collect every item the game has to offer. That's just overdose IMO.
I do have grails and they are just extremely rare items. Perfect,etheral or not.
tyraels...that is my holy grail. I found an ik armor a week ago. Thats pretty damn rare by reasonable standards. I'm still farming baal for tyraels itself. I feel like every time he laughs, hes doing so in pitty for me because my search will never end.
Eric Xanthu
10-06-2009, 18:05
Baal is a bad source for Tyraels. Run l85 areas.
cathans seal grail (one from each possible ilvl)
Thats nice idea. Isenharts case grail? Certainly doable, and you will have the reason to smile when green breast plate drops, instead of sour face :D
Once In a Blue
10-06-2009, 18:24
Baal is a bad source for Tyraels. Run l85 areas.
i have run both. Extensively.
my hypothesisis that ilvl85 areas pale in comparison to the drops baal gives. I got an ss, arreats and 28 nagels in one drop from baal. one drop! It would take m countless ilvl85 runs to get that.
It would take m countless ilvl85 runs to get that.
Not really... Lvl 85 areas are your best bet.
Also, on topic, I've got something for elite armours and perfect defence. The base defence is fairly variable, so I'm trying to find a perfect one of each. Very handy for RWs as well.
nubikoen
10-06-2009, 18:35
I used to collect magic ethereal items of self repair. No other affixes/staffmods allowed.
Example
Scarabshell Boots of Restoration
Scarabshell Boots
Defense: 84
Durability: 8 of 8
Required Level: 49
Required Strength: 81
Fingerprint: 0x90db2652
Item Level: 86
Version: Expansion 1.10+
Properties:
Repairs 1 Durability in 20 Seconds
EtherealI think I got up to ~40 items, then I more or less gave up. It basically meant I picked up *every* magic item I came across. I don't do that anymore.
I still stash them if I happen across some though, but I don't actively look for them.
SnickerSnack
10-06-2009, 19:04
I used to collect magic ethereal items of self repair. No other affixes/staffmods allowed.
......
I think I got up to ~40 items, then I more or less gave up. It basically meant I picked up *every* magic item I came across. I don't do that anymore.
I still stash them if I happen across some though, but I don't actively look for them.
I always keep every eth/self-repair item I find. No restrictions on other mods since I have an eye on making a character that only uses such items sometime in the future.
Once In a Blue
10-06-2009, 19:04
Not really... Lvl 85 areas are your best bet.
best bet for what? tyraels i assume?
Still no tyraels as of yet and i ran ilvl85 areas for weeks before i started baal. I've got about 3 months worth of finds that say youre wrong when it comes to who drops better items overall.
SnickerSnack
10-06-2009, 19:40
best bet for what? tyraels i assume?
Still no tyraels as of yet and i ran ilvl85 areas for weeks before i started baal. I've got about 3 months worth of finds that say youre wrong when it comes to who drops better items overall.
Probably for Tyreal's, that's what he's talking about. Your current drops have nothing to do with that.
It's amazing the stuff you can collect...I don't actively collect anything other than the standard grail fodder, and the occasional magic/rare uber type items...
@Once In A Blue - I'd wager that it'll take you more than 10,000 runs to get a Tyrael's from Baal...if you full clear the WSK beforehand maybe 8000. Regardless, you're going to burn out quick if that's your only goal.
Indeed, I was talking about Tyraels. Also, this:
@Once In A Blue - I'd wager that it'll take you more than 10,000 runs to get a Tyrael's from Baal...if you full clear the WSK beforehand maybe 8000. Regardless, you're going to burn out quick if that's your only goal.
Back on topic: A collection of every possible paladin shield with 45 res would be sweet... :scratchchin:
Once In a Blue
10-06-2009, 20:18
Indeed, I was talking about Tyraels. Also, this:
:
oh, you quoted the wrong part then. Anyway....@rummski, whos to say it wont take me 3 runs instead of 8000?.
8000 runs would be the average over a number of different players. Some would strike gold and find one in 20 runs..others would never even find one. I understand your point though.
baal has almost 3x the chance to drop tyraels vs. a random unique and more than 5x the chance than champion in the ilvl85 areas. It may take double the time to kill baal, but you also kill 5 uniques before hand.
quick anecdote- i found my iksc in the pits. :crazy:
NagisaFurukawa
10-06-2009, 20:32
Yikes. That's a lot of different grails to worry about. Ordinary S/Us aren't a big deal for me, but things like this are fun to collect.
Crown of Ages
Defense: 30
Required Strength: 55
Required Level: 42
Indestructible
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 93
Fingerprint: 0x4afc6f56
Indestructible
purplelocust
10-06-2009, 20:39
@dune: How are you doing on your Cathan's seal grail? Do you have any in the 91-99 range yet? Those seem like the hardest as they could only come from gambles, I would think.
@nubikoen: That's a nice goal! But ID'ing blues is time-consuming. I was very happy when I finally got a +3 warcries +3 BO helm as not only is it a great item, it meant that I could stop IDing every blue barb helm that dropped in areas where such a hat was a possibility. I have my own collection of ethereal self-repairing items, although I was going for rares and plausibly useful items.
@DZJB: indeed, great resist pally shields are something worth collecting!
@Nagisa: nice find! There were some tasks along those lines from one of the scavenger hunts, I believe.
sirpoopsalot
10-06-2009, 20:47
About 6 months ago, after going through a quick succession of triple-durability rares of high TC's, I considered posting a failed-grail thread. Collecting all of the info and putting it all together didn't sound like much fun though, so it never got off the ground.
But you could really go overboard and branch out (from this idea) too. I figured out 3 different 'types' of failed-grails:
TypeA: Items that don't have Set/Unique items ('green' Berzerker Axes, 'gold' Dream Spirits, etc.)
TypeB: Items that have Set/Uniques, but for some reason couldn't be dropped in that case (such as triple-durability rare Spiderweb Sashes from Pindleskin)
TypeC: Since uniques only drop once a game, triple-durability rares that would've been unique - except that item already dropped in the game (example the forumite who posted the Baal drop with a unique sword/axe and two rare versions of the same axe that spawned with triple durability).
... as I said: way overboard. :crazyeyes:
But I've MFed long enough that there are very few items I'm interested in searching for at this point. I figured that picking up the occasional rare Colossus Sword just to glance at the durability is a nice momentary distraction from my 18th consecutive WSK/Baal run without grabbing anything more interesting than a couple of flawless gems and a Ral.
oh, you quoted the wrong part then. Anyway....@rummski, whos to say it wont take me 3 runs instead of 8000?.
baal has almost 3x the chance to drop tyraels vs. a random unique and more than 5x the chance than champion in the ilvl85 areas. It may take double the time to kill baal, but you also kill 5 uniques before hand.
quick anecdote- i found my iksc in the pits. :crazy:
Double is way off. I can hit easily 10-15 bosses in the time it takes me to do a baal run, and that's fairly quick.
And the raw numbers on Tyrael's from Baal, even with a decent bit of MF and p3, is 1 in 150,000.
So that 10,000 run estimate should be 100,000 runs.
Yes, it COULD happen in the next three runs, but you should EXPECT it to take more than 50,000 runs, quite possibly several hundred thousand baal runs.
You are only kidding yourself if you assume otherwise.
Double is way off. I can hit easily 10-15 bosses in the time it takes me to do a baal run, and that's fairly quick.
And the raw numbers on Tyrael's from Baal, even with a decent bit of MF and p3, is 1 in 150,000.
So that 10,000 run estimate should be 100,000 runs.
Yes, it COULD happen in the next three runs, but you should EXPECT it to take more than 50,000 runs, quite possibly several hundred thousand baal runs.
You are only kidding yourself if you assume otherwise.
Agreed. Also, if a random Unique boss has 3x less a chance to cough up a Tyreals' then alvl 85 areas are BETTER. You run into more than 3 unique boss packs per run and they very likely take less time.
Ah, lots of good ideas :) I especially like the idea of a Cathan's Seal grail :D
I've been collecting items for the Anti-perfect grail for a long time now (meaning every S/U with the worst possible roll) ... I just don't know how to measure lacking perfection ...
@Once in a Blue: only twice as long to do a Baal run as an alvl 85? I average 55-58 seconds for an AT run, popping 6-8 bosspacks per run. The fastest I can do a Baal run with my MF char is a tad under 5 minutes (yes, that's fairly slow, but that's counting in hitting a couple bosspacks on the way). That's almost 5 times more to do a Baal run. From my personal experience, alvl85 runs beat Baal runs for MFing efficiency every time. Twice as long is probably right with a Pit runner, but then you're talking ~10 bosses per run.
That said, I've probably only done maybe 1000 Baal runs (probably closer to 750) whereas I'm over 7500 AT runs and probably 1000 Pit runs. My anecdotal evidence would say that those are vastly better targets than Baal, but I'm very much biased against Baal runs because they have been so stingy for me.
By the way, with a game that has drop possibilities that are as insanely small as this one, anyone's anecdotal evidence is fairly moot, unless we're talking a whole freaking lot of runs. And you're completely discounting the fact that Baal does pretty poorly at dropping TC87's compared to other potential targets over time. Just check out the drops from anybody that has done a lot of dedicated Baal running and compare it to the drops of people who have done a lot of alvl85 running and compare the TC87s - it's not even close. As a for instance, but certainly not the only examples, compare this (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540374) to this (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=707678). If you'd like another look, try this (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8469/screenshot157vu1.jpg) image from this (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=586299) thread and compare it to Baal finds from MFO's. Hell, compare Alvl85 finds to Baal finds from the same MFO's. A little more? In my current 3210 runs of my 5k goal, I've had 15 S/U TC87's from AT.
Yes, those above are anecdotal evidence, but they're over a fairly large number of runs and seem to support what most people who've run a lot of Baal will tell you: he's really stingy with the TC87's. Pindle's probably the best source of them over time, but he can't drop qlvl 87 items, so alvl85 areas are your best, statistical, bet.
Edit: As for myself, I really only keep up with the "every S/U item" grail. I'm at Grail - 12, counting trade, right now (estimating about grail-20 self-found, might be a little lower). I keep most ethereals I find, but mostly for trade fodder and as a curiosity.
best bet for what? tyraels i assume?
Still no tyraels as of yet and i ran ilvl85 areas for weeks before i started baal. I've got about 3 months worth of finds that say youre wrong when it comes to who drops better items overall.
Honestly, I think the biggest difference between the two is what build you're using.
Some builds are just better for the Pits.
On topic, is it worth starting a grail before your first mat/pat/guardian? I'm still working my fishy-necro through Hell on SC.
sirpoopsalot
10-06-2009, 22:23
@Rabisu, "worth it" is a very subjective term.
But I say yes; you'll never know when you'll want to use some weird item for some purpose, and it's nice to have one already on-hand.
For example, I've had a couple of melee characters with fast attacks that needed IAS and AR from the gloves while leveling up... and stumbled across Lavagouts while digging through my stashes. You won't see those gloves used a lot by someone as rich as me, but they have their moments.
Oh, I keep all of my unique/set finds... I'm just wondering if it's worth it to actively search for things (run pits before Finishing Acts 2-5 for instance)
sirpoopsalot
10-06-2009, 22:37
In that case, it depends on which you find more fun. Doing whichever appeals to you (when it appeals to you) will help keep you from burning out. Sometimes Pit runs before progressing can make sense, and other times it's better to just keep plugging along.
Again, it's a very subjective opinion.
@DZJB: indeed, great resist pally shields are something worth collecting!
Add the variability of defence, and you've got yourself a tough (perfect) grail to complete as well. I'm going to start picking up the normal and exceptional ones as well from now on :thumbup:
Some really great ideas here in this thread. I love it.
alright, well I love seeing the little gold text, so I might as well hit the pits when it won't kill me too often (I die a lot... even as a fishymancer) Can you recommend a good level to start? (untwinked, mediocre resists right now)
@Rabisu: Definitely worth it to actively MF before you start making mat/pats if you enjoy it and/or want to build up a nice stash of items beforehand. Personally, I think I was somewhere between a quarter and half a grail when I got my first matriarch.
I'd suggest being ~77 or so before running the Pits, because trying to go higher than that in NM will really bore you. Just go slowly until you gain some more levels.
lone_wolf
10-06-2009, 23:39
grailing is fun. Heck i ben close to collect it all several times now since my restart and since i found my old staches im at 89% of the grail
only got the hard to find things left i think but between 5k meph 5k pindle 5k baal and 5k pit runs i should be a bit closer when those runs are over.
Thanks, I plan to get my levels questing in Hell.
I think my first 'grail' will be collecting my Fishy's final equip :p
On an interesting note more than 150k players probally play diablo 2 so the odds state that at least one of those lucky sods got the Tyreals on the first try..
what is it btw i have never seen a link or stats or anything for it
I'd like to know why Tyreal's is so great. Is it the -100% requirements?
sirpoopsalot
11-06-2009, 01:54
It's not great; it's just rare. Very rare. Ridiculously rare. Much more rare than valuable.
It comes from the highest treasure class, and also has a very high quality level, so there aren't a lot of monsters in the game that can drop it. And even if you do manage to find an eligible unique Sacred Armor (something I've done only once in ~5 years of playing this game), the odds are still something like 9 out of 10 will be Templar's Might instead of Tyrael's.
Otherwise it's not especially useful.
ah... the way everyone has been talking about it... I thought it was good >_>
Of all these suggestions, the one I go crazy for is the Isenhart's Case suggestion (a spin on the Cathan's Seal idea). I've wanted to do something like this for ages.
I've been toying with the idea of hosting an Isenhartathon. Two week MF competition where the sole goal was to find as many Isenhart cases as you can from as many different MF targets as you can. Points awarded for each different act boss that drops it, plus some other popular farming targets. Bonus points if you get multiple Isenharts in the same drop.
At the end of the competition, all the Isenharts are dumped into a single stash file and hoisted upon the second place finisher.
First place receives a single Isenharts dropped by Hell Baal (I'd need somebody to supply it, I haven't been that lucky yet), personalized and socketed with the only commodity less rare than an Isenharts case... A duped b.net rune! That's right, an Isenhart's Case with a Zod rune in it, combining the uselessness of the armor itself with the taint factor of a duped rune. Take that Zodded cracked cap! I suppose I'd need somebody to find me a duped rune too... Nothing that 5 minutes on open b.net can't fix though.
What do you guys think? Is this a tournament you'd be interested in, just to give a lighthearted purpose to the endless MF runs?
sirpoopsalot
11-06-2009, 05:31
Even as a joke and in a useless item, we're not going to allow duped runes to be circulated here. And that doesn't even begin to address going on Open BNet for any reason.
If you wanted to do this you'd need a different prize scheme that doesn't involve hacks & dupes.
A grail that I am actively filling and using is the +skills grail for amulets and circlet type helmets. I collect all amulets and circlets I see and am trying to get at least one of each for all 3 trees for all 7 characters. The items can be blue or yellow. I use these items surprisingly often for twinking and even end game gear. My current questing character, a druid, uses:
Communal Amulet of the Locust
Required Level: 45
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 72
Fingerprint: 0xc620611d
5% Life stolen per hit
+3 to Shape-Shifting Skills (Druid Only)
And my poison necro uses
Venomous Amulet of the Giant
Required Level: 45
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 85
Fingerprint: 0x335abac1
+15 to Strength
+3 to Poison and Bone Skills (Necromancer Only)
All from my Class specific skills grail. I am still missing quiet a few though and many do not have a decent suffix. I started the project while doing LK runs and got it pretty far. Now I grow it more slowly but it is moving along. Still hoping for some nice ones like +3 lightning skills of the whale or fortune or something.
Oh, besides the 21 CS items there are the 14 ones of general + to skills mods like Archangels etc. I mostly get those via gambling.
Even as a joke and in a useless item, we're not going to allow duped runes to be circulated here. And that doesn't even begin to address going on Open BNet for any reason.
If you wanted to do this you'd need a different prize scheme that doesn't involve hacks & dupes.
can we put an 'El' in it and call it a duped zod? :p
kanonfutter
11-06-2009, 06:24
Thanks, I plan to get my levels questing in Hell.
I think my first 'grail' will be collecting my Fishy's final equip :p
Now that is the most sensible goal yet posted in this thread.
I still prefer WSK over the Pits or AT. It might not be so productive, but it holds a great entertainment value dodging souls.
Now that is the most sensible goal yet posted in this thread.
I still prefer WSK over the Pits or AT. It might not be so productive, but it holds a great entertainment value dodging souls.
Ugh... I was having trouble in NM baal trying not to die... I hit a horrid stair trap on my last run (last because I got fed up and went into Hell) where there was an OK cursing, DKs with him, and a Unique Venom Lord (alone as far as I can remember) with mods that I don't remember... but they must have been nasty enough to slaughter me and my pack about 2-4 times.
I'll stick to the Pits for now :p until I get used to Hell at least.
lone_wolf
11-06-2009, 07:47
a necro is great for the wsk just make use of those curses. dim vision shut down souls very well making you able to close in on them, decryp makes frenzytaurs much more handable and never underestimate the usefulness of attract and confuse.
A tip on hell baal: make sure your claygolem has a nice enough level for about 50% slow and then decryp him. Fighting baal when he goes into slowmotion is fun. It aslo make sure that he uses his attacks much much less then he normaly do.
I don't have the equip (effectively +skills) to really do it effectively I suspect. Baal was the easy part in my opinion, His minions weren't hard either... it was getting there that posed a problem.
lone_wolf
11-06-2009, 08:07
not a problem for long, Since necros are great baal runners even if they are slower then some other chars it wont take you long to be able to run wsk+baal in a save enough manner
Once In a Blue
11-06-2009, 08:22
@Once in a Blue: only twice as long to do a Baal run as an alvl 85? I average 55-58 seconds for an AT run, popping 6-8 bosspacks per run. The fastest I can do a Baal run with my MF char is a tad under 5 minutes (yes, that's fairly slow, but that's counting in hitting a couple bosspacks on the way). That's almost 5 times more to do a Baal run. From my personal experience, alvl85 runs beat Baal runs for MFing efficiency every time. Twice as long is probably right with a Pit runner, but then you're talking ~10 bosses per run.
That said, I've probably only done maybe 1000 Baal runs (probably closer to 750) whereas I'm over 7500 AT runs and probably 1000 Pit runs. My anecdotal evidence would say that those are vastly better targets than Baal, but I'm very much biased against Baal runs because they have been so stingy for me.
By the way, with a game that has drop possibilities that are as insanely small as this one, anyone's anecdotal evidence is fairly moot, unless we're talking a whole freaking lot of runs. And you're completely discounting the fact that Baal does pretty poorly at dropping TC87's compared to other potential targets over time. Just check out the drops from anybody that has done a lot of dedicated Baal running and compare it to the drops of people who have done a lot of alvl85 running and compare the TC87s - it's not even close. As a for instance, but certainly not the only examples, compare this (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540374) to this (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=707678). If you'd like another look, try this (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8469/screenshot157vu1.jpg) image from this (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=586299) thread and compare it to Baal finds from MFO's. Hell, compare Alvl85 finds to Baal finds from the same MFO's. A little more? In my current 3210 runs of my 5k goal, I've had 15 S/U TC87's from AT.
Yes, those above are anecdotal evidence, but they're over a fairly large number of runs and seem to support what most people who've run a lot of Baal will tell you: he's really stingy with the TC87's. Pindle's probably the best source of them over time, but he can't drop qlvl 87 items, so alvl85 areas are your best, statistical, bet.
Edit: As for myself, I really only keep up with the "every S/U item" grail. I'm at Grail - 12, counting trade, right now (estimating about grail-20 self-found, might be a little lower). I keep most ethereals I find, but mostly for trade fodder and as a curiosity.
Yep you're right, baal has been extremelystingy with the tc87s.
I've done about 350 runs in the past month and no tc87's. I took my char from lvl 87-92, but still no tc87's. On the other hand, I would bet baal has the best odds of dropping an insane rare.
I've had some solid drops from baal in the last week. Valor,levi, a few eschutas, trangs wing, 2 facets.
I will heed your advice and the advice in this thread and run pits,at and chaos and see what i can find.
purplelocust
11-06-2009, 08:49
@cius: Excellent! I also have a good collection of blue +3 skill tree amulets, many with good suffixes, and I'm also on the lookout for improvements/options. I didn't think about it as a grail- more like collecting skillers. So there are two grail projects ideas along those lines: at least one of each +3 skill tree amulet, and also at least 10 of every kind of skiller!
Tanksaabas
11-06-2009, 08:50
If I see any myrmidon greaves or mirrored boots (blue , plain , eth and so on) I pick them up. Probably my favourite base items :badteeth:
dune6836
11-06-2009, 10:39
@dune: How are you doing on your Cathan's seal grail? Do you have any in the 91-99 range yet? Those seem like the hardest as they could only come from gambles, I would think.
well, i have over a 100 in total now but many of those are tc87 from meph. i have a good showing in the ilvl40-60 range and a couple in the 80's. i have half a dozen ilvl99. i think 1 or 2 might have been gambled but most definitely came from hell baal (:P ) i dont have any from ilvl90-98
i think i am right in saying you cannot get lower than ilvl15 based on the lowest mlvl that can drop it in the atma drop calc. in fact the odds of an ilvl15 arent that great.
i think i am right in my assumption that all the other ilvls from 15 to 99 inclusive are possible.
i stand ready to be corrected on both these assumptions.
i have toyed with the idea of making a cathan seal collectors thread with the duel goal of one from each ilvl and the most you can get overall. perhaps i'll write it up later and see if there is any interest as a side goal when questing, as it gives a reason to be cheerful (as mentioned earlier about isenharts) when a seal drops.
for the super dedicated we could make it one from each fingerprint instead of ilvl :badteeth:
Hm, back in 1.09, when I was still a greenhorn, I used to collect charges items and then in fun duels with friends over lan hurl firebals, charged bolts, curses and various other oddities with barbar or paladin. :)
And, I felt (and still feel) an irressistible gravity towards scythes. Really, I made like 10 scythedins out of like 11 pallys total over those years. I guess its illness.
I love collecting stuff - its what keeps me playing D2 obsessively. I'm close to completing the overall grail (minus 5 at the moment).
I'm interested in drop patterns, so I'm currently collecting every s/u baal drops. I'll think I'll do this for 2k items in a row, and then switch to another target. I'd like to have stashes for each major MF target, and compare 2k straight S/U's from Baal, Pits, Pindle, AT, etc...
Great thread, gives me more ideas of things to collect and organize.
I am currently performing the "normal" grails; all S/Us, all Ethereal S/Us, perfect S/Us.
In addition, I do the following:
- One of each rune (found, not cubed).
- One of each white item with item level 85 or higher (for theoretical cube-socketing or imbuing purposes)
- One of each blue item with item level 85 or higher (for theoretical crafting purposes).
- One of each socketable grey item, of each socket-number, both normal, exceptional and elite, and both regular and ethereal (for theoretical runeword purposes).
- One of each failed elite unique.
Hmm, that's all I can think of that I am currently collecting for grail-purposes. In all, this makes for more interesting (albeit slower) journeys through level 85 areas :)
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