Opinions needed for improving my bowazon

[Dizzymjewu]

Hiho :)

I've been playing a "hybrid" bowazon for some time now and she's great fun. However, i often hear her damage is lower than what would be optimum for my type of build, and i'd like to know what you guys would consider improvements for me.

My goal is to dish out decent damage while being able to take some hits as well. Reality is, most charge/smite characters destroy me, and since my resists are pretty low i don't fare well vs elemental characters either.

I will list my relevant gear and attribute choices as well as gear alternatives. Note i intend to play pvp mainly.

First off, my attributes:
Str. for gear
Vita to reach 1000 life without BO (might have been too much in regard to my charms, will come to this later)
rest in Dex

Skills:
Max GA
55/65/55 DAE
70%crit
1pt Jab, 1pt LF
18 arrows MS

Now for my gear:

Helmets:
GS 30/80
2ama 30frw 30ias/30res
CoA 40ed -15rq / Ber

Weapons:
Faith GMB, Titan's / SS (40-15rq) switch

Amu:
Cats

Belts:
Nosferatu
Verdungo 38/15
OW belt

Armor:
60/160 whale

Gloves:
Crafted 20ias kb dex
3passive 20ias
Clegs

Boots:
WT

Rings:
Raven x2 or 1x and:
72ar/19str/13dex/15life/27lightres statring

Torch + Anni:
20/12
15/10

Inventory:
GC's:
2x passive 12fhr
1x passive 34life
10max 49ar 7frw
10max 68ar 29life

LC:
6max 36ar 50 poison

SC's:
10x 4max 20ar
1x 3frw 100 poison
1x 2dex 100 poison
3x 3frw (with lowish adds)
4x 3max / xx ar / 1xlife

Max GA damage is somewhere between 4800 and 5200, depending on the exact gearselection i wear.

Questions:
a) I've been considering swapping out the whale armor for Fortitude and slam on a 45 ias helmet instead. Would this help my damage significantly, or should i stay with the freedom 60ias on the armor gives me?

b) My resists are all around the zero-point. Pump them yay or nay?

c) Would using more life charms increase the viability of the amazon that chooses to have some life, giving more room for pumping dex? Initially i thought it wouldn't matter that much, but i've come to the idea swapping out some frw and poison charms for resist or life charms would be a good idea.

d) Given the gear i have now, would be leaving life at a lower level alltogether be favourable, as to pump more dex?

I hope my questions are clear :)

Many thanks for your considerations in advance!

Regards,

[Dizzymjewu]

I am still looking for some opinions :)

Regards,

[KremBanan]

I think you would get more(and better) replies in the PvP forum..

Btw, do you have 10x 4max/20ar scs?

[Dizzymjewu]

I think you would get more(and better) replies in the PvP forum..

Btw, do you have 10x 4max/20ar scs?

That's what occurred to me as well.

And yes, i do :)

Cheers,

[sanekk]

I think, you got great ama, but:
1) what is you lvl?
2) i think 1000 hp is low, you need 400 pts in vita and nice bo to stand vs dmg.
3) if you use ga mainly, i don't see the problem.. 5k (what is minimum, btw?) in dmg w/o poison is Very high, and, as i can see, you got 7frames attack.
So, i don't rly understand who (exept paladins & ww barbs) can oppose you.
Normally, GA kill all other enemies.
Well, if you got rly low res, sorcs can kill you too, but use multi to hit them if they tele like hell.
And 1 more qestion, do you have enough mana to make multi?

[Raith]

imo, i wouldnt use coa at all, id rather look into a perf gaze of 08gaze if youre on nl.
he can chug pots if hes low on mana, thats not an issue, and fireball sorcs arent rly an issue to duel with, you have to always zigzag and if they teleport all over the place multi, once theyre on screen, etc, shoot GA around them. question, what kind of hybrid is it? did you get up to max block then put everything into vit or you balanced damage/life or glass cannon?

[Dizzymjewu]

I think, you got great ama, but:
1) what is you lvl?
2) i think 1000 hp is low, you need 400 pts in vita and nice bo to stand vs dmg.
3) if you use ga mainly, i don't see the problem.. 5k (what is minimum, btw?) in dmg w/o poison is Very high, and, as i can see, you got 7frames attack.
So, i don't rly understand who (exept paladins & ww barbs) can oppose you.
Normally, GA kill all other enemies.
Well, if you got rly low res, sorcs can kill you too, but use multi to hit them if they tele like hell.
And 1 more qestion, do you have enough mana to make multi?

I can get off 7 volleys of multi consecutively without chugging mana, so that's np :) level 89 btw.

imo, i wouldnt use coa at all, id rather look into a perf gaze of 08gaze if youre on nl.
he can chug pots if hes low on mana, thats not an issue, and fireball sorcs arent rly an issue to duel with, you have to always zigzag and if they teleport all over the place multi, once theyre on screen, etc, shoot GA around them. question, what kind of hybrid is it? did you get up to max block then put everything into vit or you balanced damage/life or glass cannon?

What is the benefit of it over CoA? The lower requirements coupled with mdr?

I see you recommend against a 45 ias helmet, so i can conclude you'd prefer the whale armor over forti, or would you take forti and go with a MB instead of GMB?

I've followed Tienje's "hybrid" bowa guide. I have put points in vita to reach the 1k hp mark, and pumped dex after that. This means that on the SS switch i have max block.

e: forgot to mention that i'm ladder :)

[Uncle_Mike]

e: forgot to mention that i'm ladder :)

Not for long hopefully ;)

*waits for 1.13*

[Dizzymjewu]

Not for long hopefully ;)

*waits for 1.13*

I'm looking forward to it as well :)

I didn't mention me being ladder/nl in the first place is that it doesn't really matter with the reset being at hand, i'll be nl soon anyway.

[Raith]

I can get off 7 volleys of multi consecutively without chugging mana, so that's np :) level 89 btw.



What is the benefit of it over CoA? The lower requirements coupled with mdr?

I see you recommend against a 45 ias helmet, so i can conclude you'd prefer the whale armor over forti, or would you take forti and go with a MB instead of GMB?

I've followed Tienje's "hybrid" bowa guide. I have put points in vita to reach the 1k hp mark, and pumped dex after that. This means that on the SS switch i have max block.

e: forgot to mention that i'm ladder :)

58 str vs 174 str is a huge difference to me, when you switch to titans/ss it would be much easier to wear coa but otherwise, when you switch to bow its like bah. pump str.

[Dizzymjewu]

That's right, i did need to pump some strength as well.

I guess i'll do a rebuild then :)

[SlainByPain]

Don't know why I didn't see this earlier.

Giantskull isn't an optimal choice for a bowazon. A godly rare circlet or ed/ias with frw fares much better. Hell, even a 80/30 30 frw circlet would be better. Not only do you already have KB (gloves) but you don't want to make use of the strength so you can switch out to kiras. If you want a chance at beating those elemental characters you'll have to have at least have enough resist for 15ish stack with kiras.

Fortitude is IMO only for TvT bowazons as it provides the highest damage output but isn't very versatile.

The reason you aren't beating smiters/chargers is because your charms aren't good enough. Toss the poison and passive charms and shove on as many life/damage charms as possible while maintaining the amount of FRW you're comfortable with. Don't worry too much though, because smiters and especially chargers are the bowazon's worst enemy.

[Dizzymjewu]

I found that hammerdins switching to smite gear can comfortably beat me as well, so indeed i will accept those as a lost fight.

SBP, you're always advising 60ias armor over Fort? Or if i had it would you advise 45ias on the helmet?

I next to never use GS, i bought it at a time i didnt have decent kb gloves (next to clegs) yet, only 3pm 20ias ones.

Thanks for all advice thus far :)

[SlainByPain]

It's not impossible to beat smiters, just hard.

I don't recommend building around the fort build if you plan to 1v1 at all. Namely building around nos coil (both str and ias) and 120/45 (ias) causes problems when you're trying to switch into other gear.

I recommend 160/60 because that + amulet + gloves is already enough IAS for 7 frame GA and 9 frame LF.
Socket whatever you feel is necessary in your helm of choice and keep a kiras in stash.

Of course you can also use a bow with a base speed of 0 in conjunction with fortitude. You'll need 25 extra IAS with this build assuming you're using cats eye/highlords + 20 ias gloves.

[Dizzymjewu]

Up till now i haven't succeeded in finding a gm tvt (or pvp at all) community at ladder, but i hope things will flourish at NL ;)

Bow suggestion: would be a Matriarchal Fatih?

I have enough str. points to make some switching possible, which is why is mentioned Verdungo in my gear possibilities, also i have a decent OW belt.

Why you state choosing for the ias armor is exactly why i did it. I have a Kira's with 15/15 jewel in it in stash (15/85). I didn't mention it because it didn't look like my primary problem.

In general, can be said that my damage, for vita/dex hybrid, is high enough, or do i need better charms all in all to make this excel?

[SlainByPain]

Mat bow is -10 base speed so I don't recommend it for the most part. GMB will do if you're using a 160/60 and shadow/diamond/ward bow is probably best for a fort build.

Better charms will always improve the overall strength of your amazon but how necessary it is depends on your skill.

[Dizzymjewu]

Mat bow is -10 base speed so I don't recommend it for the most part. GMB will do if you're using a 160/60 and shadow/diamond/ward bow is probably best for a fort build.

Better charms will always improve the overall strength of your amazon but how necessary it is depends on your skill.

I will get myself a Shadow Bow then and compare :)

For the skill, i don't consider myself good but not really bad either. Will see how it goes with all advise in mind.

Thanks!
Dizzy

[KillaMike]

what i d recomend is: 40 sc with 451 psn dmg over 12 second

bramble
death touch
psn rbb in as much as you could do

keep 7 frams GA

switch: dream shield so holy shock pulsse kills those 1 hp noobz :whistling:

[LLD]

what i d recomend is: 40 sc with 451 psn dmg over 12 second

bramble
death touch
psn rbb in as much as you could do

keep 7 frams GA

switch: dream shield so holy shock pulsse kills those 1 hp noobz :whistling:

I assume he is making a GM dueler.

[Raith]

no one here duel in hell huh?

[Dizzymjewu]

what i d recomend is: 40 sc with 451 psn dmg over 12 second

bramble
death touch
psn rbb in as much as you could do

keep 7 frams GA

switch: dream shield so holy shock pulsse kills those 1 hp noobz :whistling:

Poison is too easy negated i think, and i prefer the physical damage on bowa's.

I assume he is making a GM dueler.

Correct :)

no one here duel in hell huh?

Most of the time i duel on Hell, occasionally NM.

[KillaMike]

no one here duel in hell huh?

95% of ladder duel games are on hell mod

[Raith]

imo the 160/60 armor makes you get moar res charms. ;[

[TienJe]

:ponder: :ponder: