View Full Version : Once again need help w frenzy uber barb
So most of what I asked prior to this was theory, and after actually trying out all my gear I'm a bit disappointed.
Granted, I'm only level 83 so far, and I havn't tried to run ubers, I just expected far great killing speed running baal/diablo. I also havn't gotten many charms yet other than torch+anni+ a few max ar sc, and my helmet isn't socketed yet.
Guillame's
CoH
Ebotdz
Edeathz
Laying of Hands
Gore Riders
Highlord's Wrath
Nosferatu's Coil
Raven Frost
Rare Ring with LL, AR, str, res, etc.
+10 To All Skills
55% Deadly Strike
50% Chance of Crushing Blow (death hand has 95% CB)
31% Life Stolen Per Hit
Damage Reduced By 8%
10% Chance of Open Wounds
I only have 65@res from equip.
1) I'm currently bound to using highlord's wrath + LoH + Nosferatu's Coil if I want to reach max frenzy speed.
- A few problems with this. If I were to switch nos coil to verdungos I'd have 15 more DR bringing me up to 23, as opposed to 8 (but at the annoying cost of less str so that I'd have to str bug to equip my CoH).
-If I were to switch highlord's to atmas, I could get closer to getting 75 res for mephisto (at the cost of 30%DS).
-If I were to switch LoH, I'd have lifetap for more security.
To sacrifice any of these items, I could socket my guillame's with a 15ias jewel. But I could have put a ber, jah, or amn.
So what should I do?
2) Not enough AR. I really don't want to give us highlord's + my rare ring just for angelic set. Of course, I'm going to be adding a few charms that'll add more AR, and I'm gonna upgrade my ravenfrost to give more AR. And does leveling help AR at all? Also tempted to use Arreat's just because of the 20% AR.
Where should I get AR from?
3) Not enough health. Only 4900 life at level 83. I plan to level to 92 so that'll give me 45 more points in vit. I'll add at least 60more health from charms. Will this be enough? Maybe I should Jah the helm.. Should I just get more life charms?
4) Not enough res. I think I currently only have 65 from CoH, 30 from quests, 55 from natural, and whatever you get from treachery. Whats the -res from hell again? And how much do I need for Uber Mephisto? Where should I get res from?
I should add that I'll be treachery + demon limb pre-buffing. Don't plan to pre-buff BO, or is it really useful? And I can't find elacerators so idk what curse I should have on and from where.
Why is CoH retarded and costs 900k to repair?
thanks
In previous thread I mentioned that max speed is very nice but you do not really need it. If you get 2nd or 3rd breakpoint it is ok as well.
Death + gores give you enough CB to kill all ubers you can easy switch Guill for Umed Arreat.
LoH is very useful in Tristram because of demon ED, IAS and Fire res. Anyway you try to get best IAS without Life Tap. This way you get IDS (increase dying speed). You haven't 31% LL. You have 0 to 6,2% LL. UMeph has 0% drain effectiveness, Dia 15%, Baal 20%. So even if you have 100% life leaching you cannot steal any point from Meph.
IMO best solution would be replace Death for LW (if not use Dracs but you loose some IAS) and Guill for Umed Arreat. Most damage which you get in Tristram will be elemental, but you should survive if your resistances are positive with Meph aura. Ofc physical damage is dangerous either (Meph 500pt) but does not happen as often as ele dmg. You can consder TGod instead of Nos - Dungo is not really great.
Decrep from Lacerator is usefull at the end, when bosses are dead, but many PI undead staying on your way to torch. Do not care about etheral. Wrath and vampires are piece of cake. You can either use swords - lawnbringer or azure.
AR never will be sufficient. Use Demon limb and all what you can get:
all +skill items increase your AR then replacing Guill face with Arreat increase it as well.
Life looks ok. 5K should be enough but you want add Jah or life charms when asking about BO prebuffing?
High BO is important not only because give you more life. Duration is VERY important as well. Barb killing speed is not impressive (lack of AR) and you can loose half of your life in surrounded by Baal minions. A lot of life is main advantage of barb. Smiter kill Ubers few times faster but die 1 per 3-4 torches (mine smiter ;) ) Like David and Goliath. Barb and Ubers are like Goliath vs Goliath.
Last question - CoH is expensive and you probably made it in superior armor. Especially EDura increase costs of repairs. Use Ral and cube.
In previous thread I mentioned that max speed is very nice but you do not really need it. If you get 2nd or 3rd breakpoint it is ok as well.
Death + gores give you enough CB to kill all ubers you can easy switch Guill for Umed Arreat.
LoH is very useful in Tristram because of demon ED, IAS and Fire res. Anyway you try to get best IAS without Life Tap. This way you get IDS (increase dying speed). You haven't 31% LL. You have 0 to 6,2% LL. UMeph has 0% drain effectiveness, Dia 15%, Baal 20%. So even if you have 100% life leaching you cannot steal any point from Meph.
IMO best solution would be replace Death for LW (if not use Dracs but you loose some IAS) and Guill for Umed Arreat. Most damage which you get in Tristram will be elemental, but you should survive if your resistances are positive with Meph aura. Ofc physical damage is dangerous either (Meph 500pt) but does not happen as often as ele dmg. You can consder TGod instead of Nos - Dungo is not really great.
Decrep from Lacerator is usefull at the end, when bosses are dead, but many PI undead staying on your way to torch. Do not care about etheral. Wrath and vampires are piece of cake. You can either use swords - lawnbringer or azure.
AR never will be sufficient. Use Demon limb and all what you can get:
all +skill items increase your AR then replacing Guill face with Arreat increase it as well.
Life looks ok. 5K should be enough but you want add Jah or life charms when asking about BO prebuffing?
High BO is important not only because give you more life. Duration is VERY important as well. Barb killing speed is not impressive (lack of AR) and you can loose half of your life in surrounded by Baal minions. A lot of life is main advantage of barb. Smiter kill Ubers few times faster but die 1 per 3-4 torches (mine smiter ;) ) Like David and Goliath. Barb and Ubers are like Goliath vs Goliath.
Last question - CoH is expensive and you probably made it in superior armor. Especially EDura increase costs of repairs. Use Ral and cube.
A lot of frenziers can do ubers without lifetap.. They just have enough health and res, and enough kill speed to kill them before they die. That's why I was emphasizing equipment on kill speed and trying to use LoH if possible. This is also the reason that I'm concerned with health and wouldn't mind tossing a Jah for 5%.
I 100% intend to use max speed frenzy. I could still use a dracul's grasp, all I would have to do is put a 15ias jewel in my hat.. In fact, that's probably what I'm going to do if I'm too weak to survive without it. Hopefully, that's not the case though.
As for BO duration, I already have almost 6minutes. Hopefully, that'll be sufficient.
I wouldn't mind a nice boost to health from BO prebuff, and I'd pay the price to get +BO equipment. BUT, I already have demonlimb, guillame's, and treachery armor in my inventory. I also hold onto an enigma and wizardspikes and a ring for keyrunning. I could fit like 2 BO sticks and jewelry if I wanted, but I don't think it's worth giving up 40 slots just for a bit more health..
But for now. I'm still short on health, res, and AR to be considering not going in without Lifetap..
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Wow.. Barb's AR truly sucks.
After all this speculation, I'm considering using dual angelic rings and angelic ammy..
Now I'm gonna debate whether to cham my helmet or use trangs
A lot of frenziers can do ubers without lifetap.. They just have enough health and res, and enough kill speed to kill them before they die. That's why I was emphasizing equipment on kill speed and trying to use LoH if possible. This is also the reason that I'm concerned with health and wouldn't mind tossing a Jah for 5%.
I've read the sam threads. I do not remember who have written it but that were trustful and reliable people. Anyway even if I would see it I wont believe ;) It is against the rules, like smart and beauty girl.
All people who killed Ubers without LT mentioned about decrep from Lacerator. Maybe decrep increase drain effectiveness.
I 100% intend to use max speed frenzy. I could still use a dracul's grasp, all I would have to do is put a 15ias jewel in my hat.. In fact, that's probably what I'm going to do if I'm too weak to survive without it. Hopefully, that's not the case though.
I understand that most important for you is get your torch with new unusual character.
Do not socket your hat. Go with max IAS and dracs left in your stash. Just in case to not waste organs. You have a chance kill Ubers your own way and risk nothing. Just replace wizz and Eni in your stash with LW and dracs.
As for BO duration, I already have almost 6minutes. Hopefully, that'll be sufficient.
I wouldn't mind a nice boost to health from BO prebuff, and I'd pay the price to get +BO equipment. BUT, I already have demonlimb, guillame's, and treachery armor in my inventory. I also hold onto an enigma and wizardspikes and a ring for keyrunning. I could fit like 2 BO sticks and jewelry if I wanted, but I don't think it's worth giving up 40 slots just for a bit more health..
But for now. I'm still short on health, res, and AR to be considering not going in without Lifetap..
I did not realize that you have high lvl BO. 6 minutes looks ok.
You cannot have all - life, AR, res, dmg and miniskirt covering knees. 5K life means that you can receive about 12 maximum hits from Meph. 6K life about 15. I think that IAS and AR help you kill him before you drink all potions.
To get max res on Hell you need 175@. Under aura 300@. Impossible even with fade but if you have patience prebuff.
Ref CB and DS - you can see difference between 50 and 70% CB if you do Ubers 100 times.
DS double your damage. Critical Strike do it as well - I think that you have about 25% CS from masteries. Highlord and mastery should double 50% of your hits - enough.
If you have higher AR you hit more often and DS/CS/CB appears more often - I suggest Arreat (20%AR + dex) instead Guill.
I cross my fingers.
Don't fight the Angelics. I tried every which way to avoid them for a long time, but in the end, they're the best choice for my frenzier in Uber Tristram because that big AR bonus is so helpful for surviving - either life tapping often enough, or killing fast enough. Regardless of whether you go in there offensive or defensive, you've got to minimize the amount of times you miss as best you can, and the best way is to put on that Angelic ring and amulet.
Don't fight the Angelics. I tried every which way to avoid them for a long time, but in the end, they're the best choice for my frenzier in Uber Tristram because that big AR bonus is so helpful for surviving - either life tapping often enough, or killing fast enough. Regardless of whether you go in there offensive or defensive, you've got to minimize the amount of times you miss as best you can, and the best way is to put on that Angelic ring and amulet.
Yeah I just noticed this when I went into mini-ubers without angelics and then with angelics. Don't see how so many people told me it's feasible to go into ubers simply with enough max AR charms...
I've read the sam threads. I do not remember who have written it but that were trustful and reliable people. Anyway even if I would see it I wont believe ;) It is against the rules, like smart and beauty girl.
All people who killed Ubers without LT mentioned about decrep from Lacerator. Maybe decrep increase drain effectiveness.
I understand that most important for you is get your torch with new unusual character.
Do not socket your hat. Go with max IAS and dracs left in your stash. Just in case to not waste organs. You have a chance kill Ubers your own way and risk nothing. Just replace wizz and Eni in your stash with LW and dracs.
I did not realize that you have high lvl BO. 6 minutes looks ok.
You cannot have all - life, AR, res, dmg and miniskirt covering knees. 5K life means that you can receive about 12 maximum hits from Meph. 6K life about 15. I think that IAS and AR help you kill him before you drink all potions.
To get max res on Hell you need 175@. Under aura 300@. Impossible even with fade but if you have patience prebuff.
Ref CB and DS - you can see difference between 50 and 70% CB if you do Ubers 100 times.
DS double your damage. Critical Strike do it as well - I think that you have about 25% CS from masteries. Highlord and mastery should double 50% of your hits - enough.
If you have higher AR you hit more often and DS/CS/CB appears more often - I suggest Arreat (20%AR + dex) instead Guill.
I cross my fingers.
Lacerators have amp by the way. I would invest in a LW, but I would hate having to use non-indestructible weapons.. armors are already annoying to repair.
the 20%AR + dex surprisingly only add 1% more AR. The 30@res is hard to give up though.
I don't really care about making an unusual or atypical build. I just want to be able to kill as fast as possible without dying :P According to Spankeh's guide, this can be achieved with 6500 life and 300res. I think I'll be sticking to angelic set and use LoH with amp damage, and a socketed ias helm.
the 20%AR + dex surprisingly only add 1% more AR. The 30@res is hard to give up though.
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I do not know how it is counted :scratchchin:
I don't really care about making an unusual or atypical build. I just want to be able to kill as fast as possible without dying :P According to Spankeh's guide, this can be achieved with 6500 life and 300res. I think I'll be sticking to angelic set and use LoH with amp damage, and a socketed ias helm.
I think in this case you should go with smiter. My smiter die sometimes because he has only 1,7K life and I do not use CtA (I do not really remember if I have torch). If you go with 2K life + BO you should be fast and immortal.
Grief PB - indestructible, Exile - self repair.
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I do not know how it is counted :scratchchin:
I think in this case you should go with smiter. My smiter die sometimes because he has only 1,7K life and I do not use CtA (I do not really remember if I have torch). If you go with 2K life + BO you should be fast and immortal.
Grief PB - indestructible, Exile - self repair.
Someone on youtube killed with in 2 minutes with a frenzy barb :P I'll be happy if I can get down to 3 minutes, no reason for me to waste money on pally :P
My entire equipment cost me maybe 11hrs. That's only enough to get the same stat-ed ptorch as my current btorch lol.
:)
You have no choice - go with your equip. Your speed and survivality depends of Ubers position and luck.
"Beast" can increase your speed and AR but you need few Rals and Ort in stash or few mln gold. Other hand if 20% AR increase your chance to hit (?) by 1% Fanatism give you 80%AR what can be only 4%.
:) Swords would be better :P
frenzy kujaku
27-04-2009, 00:49
1) 'Alot?': I am also skeptical about 'alot' of frenziers killing ubers without lifetap. From my experiments with different setups with frenzy barbs, I don't think 'alot' of people will go that path because it's not that 'safe' to play that route. Amp dam does not slow the ubers, meaning you take full-speed attacks from them. I tested out decrep on lawbringer PB with my axe frenzy barb against ubers. I survived better because they are slowed (meaning less rej. Also remember: I am an axe barb, I do puny damage with Lawbringer PB. My merc did the killing but I couldn't land the finishing blow. Had to swap back to LW/Beast to finish them off). Seriously, as stated by Spank's, amp dam is really for the brave or wacky. Finally, while ubering in pub games, I found out that there are still people out there who thinks that only a smiter can uber. It's pretty shallow thinking. You may have to quantitate 'alot'.
2) Curses: What's lacking in your build is the curses. Your current setup has zero lifetap or amp dam. Choose 1. If you don't want to wear LW, you can wear normal Lacerators. Etheral lacerators are not really that necessary because you only need lacerators to trigger amp dam. Wear that, survive IM and test it out on D and Baal. Without curses, even if you have 5k life and a belt of full rev, you must be one courageous soul to take on ubers. Post it on youtube if you do that, cos I want to watch.
3) Killing speed: I have seen that youtube on frenzy barb whose time was 2mins+. I vouch for that killing speed because I do the same. Generally, my time ranges from 2-3mins. Rarely does it go beyond 4mins. And that's with lifetap. A skilled frenzier with Amp dam will be interesting to watch. Against D and Baal in hell, they are small fries. The CB animation goes on nearly everytime and they just go down like flies. I worry more about IM in chaos, and amp dam+souls/CE crazy dolls/frenzy monsters with fanaticism in Worldstone than the bosses themselves.
4) Deadly strike: I won't emphasize as much on DS than on CB and OW. The formula for DS is different from critical strike. If I remember right, it is just a fraction rather than the entire stated %. But since you have it, that's fine. If you are really short of AR and want that 20% IAS, try Cat's eye. It works well for me because of high dex and 20%IAS.
5) Angelics: So I have read about that as well. I have never tried them because I never had problems hitting the ubers. I have 70-73% chance of hitting them (after demonlimb), and it goes higher with my BA merc+infinity. I stock my inventory mostly with vita, only some are max/Ar. Perhaps I may have added a little bit more to dex than vits using hard stat points, which accounts for my lower life (4-4.3k life).
6) Health: I don't see why you said you don't have enough life. I ubered with 4k life and using Amp dam and I did not die. Ubering is abit overrated. It's not as tough as it sounds if you have the right gear. And the fact is you already have the right gear. If you run it a few times with your char, you will get the hang of it and beat the crap out of them even with 4k life. Ubering is also doable without BO. My kicksin and my friend's zealer beat them down with no BO. Just lifetap. 6.5K stated by Spank is a theoretical endpoint. I can vouch for you ubering with amp dam with alot lesser life because I have done so. You will just need more full rev. Finally, as Shuy as stated, life is barb's assert. With 4-4.3k life, I run uber 2-6 times (avg: 3 runs) per day 4-5 days per week for the past 2-3 months and make a living out of selling unid torches. I died 5 times. Five. 4 to meph, 1 to baal. And it's mostly because 1) I forgot to switch out of my prebuff gear fully, 2) massive lag, and the one time to baal was because I was running in to get my corpse after being killed by Meph. Your life right now is MORE than enough.
7) Max possible killing speed: Even with Guill+amp dam+Botd/Death+nos coil +BAmerc+infinity, I couldn't beat them down under a minute (or 14 seconds per uber). The timing starts from entering the portal until the last uber is dead. I would suspect that it must be a really lucky day for me if that's even possible.
8) Swarmed?: Frenzy barbs (or any barbs) never get swarmed by uber minions. That's only possible if the barb doesn't know the existence of or how to click on the skill 'HOWL'. If you have stacked resistance (up till 300), you will not lose any significant life to anything except the ubers.
9) Arreats vs Gullimare: Simple- arreats/maras for meph. Gullimare/cat's eye for D and Baal. Gull/cat's eye is much faster in dealing with Baal and D than arreats+anything else. I would use the same setup against meph if not for his conviction.
10) All talk? Finally, as you have stated, all is just theory. Grab two lacerators, a load of full rev, perm the game, get a friend on standby (outside the game), take your time to prebuff and just go ahead and uber. You will never know if your char can deal with them unless you deal with them in real life. If you want to see a frenzy barb to show you the way, pm me here. I am on USwest. However, I think that your char is more than able to kill the ubers. The only slight hiccup is your on-hands experience using a frenzy against ubers. If you are really worried about dual lacerators, try ebotd+lacerator on switch and ebotd/death on the primary.
>>>Left click- frenzy, right click- howl, weapon switch on standby, fingers on hotkey full rev (against meph) or mana potions (against baal), hotkey left click double swing (against mana draining baal minions).
Meph: Go in, lure meph out from the top, howl howl howl howl howl (Meph always spawns near you), run away abit-> don't take direct long-range hits from meph-> once within striking range, frenzy meph with dual lacerators, watch for amp dam and your life dropping, life drops more than half->full rev hotkey, amp dam comes on-> weapon switch, frenzyx3->HOWL HOWL->frenzy/howl while counting to 10, weapon switch-> lacerators, frenzyx3->HOWL HOWL->frenzy->weapon switch->howl howl->frenzy/howl, rinse. Meph dies probably in <1 minute. Pump Full rev as much as possible whenever necessary because you cannot leech from Meph.
Baal: Switch out from all resist gear to high CB+high dam gear. Lure Baal out, frenzy Baal with dual lacerators, watch for amp dam and your MANA dropping->hotkey mana potions, amp dam comes on-> weapon switch, frenzy x3->HOWL HOWL->frenzy/howl while counting to 10, weapon switch-> lacerators, frenzyx3->HOWL HOWL->frenzy->weapon switch->howl howl->frenzy/howl, rinse. Use full rev only if your life starts to dip really fast but that is unlikely because you are leeching back your life from Baal.
Diablo: Easy peezy. Easiest using Amp Dam. Do as with Baal, except with less full rev.
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Rule no 1 and only 1 rule when using a frenzy: HOWL. Always HOWL. Ubers spawn minions real fast. I counted, i.e. when ubers are at half to full life, they will spawn minions when I have frenzied for nearly 1 second. After I howl that away, that spawning occurs after 1 second of frenzy. So, hold on to frenzy for a very brief moment. HOWL twice at least. then continue frenzying and then howl again >>rinse<<. Sometimes their spawns return to you after howling. As usual, howlx2 that away. Once ubers are below 1/4 life, their spawning rate starts to drop to a point where there is no spawning after a while. Only the previously spawned minions will return to irritate you. Howl that away and focus on finishing off the ubers. The problem is only with Baal because 1) His coldwave throws you off and if you howl when being pushed back, your howl does not work. 2) His mana drain will take your mana to howl at times. Mana potions are necessary against Baal. They are better than full rev in this case.
Point to note 1: With Lacerators/amp dam, there is this wonderful attribute on lacerators and that is to 'hit causes monster to flee 50%'. That is REALLY useful in uber because that takes off the need to howl when you are triggering amp dam on uber. That flee 50% doesn't work on ubers but on minions and overrides amp dam on minions only. So, amp dam is still on uber and you are not surrounded!
So go ahead and uber! Your Barb will do fine.
May the Howl be with you
Cheers
Frenzy Kujaku
Clap Clap Clap :thumbup:
It was one day about 2 years ago, that a mate of mine who was into Diablo2 right from the beginning was over here at my place that i started wondering with him about Decrepify and Amp Damage for a Frenzier.
For what was about 4 hours of arguing/discussing i went over and over the amazing damage boost one would get from using these curses.
He basically said straight out, that it wouldnt work/wouldnt do anything/just wasting my time, especially since lifetap was THE #1 curse ANYONE would ever use.
But over the months, i tested and tested, and now, after a couple of years, here on Diabloii.net it is now considered a pinnacle to reach for a frenzier in Ubertrist.
Bravo frenzy kujaku, thumbs up to you for your great experiences with these curses.
My next mission lol, is to get those damn smiters to stop using lifetap and start using amp damage.
How fast would THAT combo be to kill ubers.
O M F G it would be epic to see, imagine with a frenzier as his wingman, the two best uber combo in the game, together with amp damage, would truely be the Holy Grail of fastest killers of Ubers in history.
Smiter:
Grief phase blade
Herald Of Zakarum
CoA
CoH
Frenzier:
ebotdz + edeathz
eth lacerators x2
Guillaume's Face
CoH
Add in one Holy Freeze Merc with eInfinity (safety)
Add in one Might Merc with ePride (damage)
Over in 6 seconds each uber?
Lets go go go go go :thumbup:
@ frenzy K,
Didn't mean to come off as a pussy :P I was just holding off ubers cause I had pretty low resistances for meph. But I found some charms so I did do 2 uber runs yesterday with Great Success! :)
My first run, I relied on dracs and it was a rather smooth run.
For my second, I tried to ditch the dracs and I went for max speed with LoH + Nos Coil + ias jewel. I didn't have any other curses to work with, but it still worked very well for D+B and with an increase in kill speed. Mephisto was impossible without a curse lol.
I used 2 angelic rings and angelic ammy and I think my chance to hit Diablo was mid 80s. I didn't even have CBF on me but it didn't prove to be a problem surprisingly.
Once I get more res and find some lacerators, I'll try Mephisto without Lifetap. I also found a nifty Lastwish zerker on bnet today for a good price, so I'm going to be testing LW + Beast soon. Having to wait for treachery to cast is annoying.. would rather try to activate it with Diablo with a LW.
Are there any other sources of non-charge dependent decrepify/amplify for axe-wielders
@spank
Yay for your discovery :) Strange how so many are skeptical of amp/decrepify. I think frenzy is def right.. ubers are really overrated.
frenzy kujaku
28-04-2009, 02:02
Hi Spank
1) Great guide you wrote! That's where I started off from and sparked my interest to test out the weapons and style of playing listed. Without your guide, I may have also been another 'smiter only' player.
2) Amp dam/Smite: I have tested a variant of your postulation before (Read link: http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7081037#post7081037).
I paired up with a zealer and used Botd/death, dual lacerators for the frenzy barb. The Zealer used griefPb/LOH/HOZ. No life tap. It was the fastest run ever. Under 1 minute. Once the amp dam was triggered, I observed that the life of the ubers just went down real fast. I did not time the run with a watch but I only had to weapon-switch to Botd/Death once and all that was done in the first Ctc of amp dam. It is thus possible to take down 1 uber in <14 seconds by a frenzy barb but only if paired up with a melee pally.
Amp dam CtC Frenzy + Smite will be even stronger and faster. As you have stated, Frenzy acts as a wingman. There are three purposes for frenzy barb here. i) Provide high level BO, ii) provide Amp dam Ctc, iii) provide Howl to prevent swarming. During my testing with amp dam+zealer, I noticed that I spent lesser time frenzying with BOTD/Death. Most of that short time was a) trying to CtC amp dam, and b) trying to howl off the minions so we can focus on the uber. With smite on hand, a frenzy barb will probably have little time to actually use dual death or ebotd/death.
3) BA merc+infinity: I will go for Blessed aim over holy frost. That's because in that setup, the frenzy must CtC amp dam asap (to make the run short). This is what I used as well when testing with amp dam/zealer. The BA enhancement to AR is over a few %, although not entirely wonderful, but when coupled with infinity, against Baal and Diablo, that % goes up a few more notches. Sadly, infinity doesn't work on Meph. Safety is no longer an issue because
i) we were never in real danger of swarming,
ii) any damage taken by meph in that short span of time was covered with full rev,
iii) no real damage that baal and diablo dealt to us was able to kill us off because we were leeching back basal amount of life.
iv) it was all over too quickly that we were never in real threat.
Overall conclusion, your postulation is correct. Smite/Frenzy/amp dam is possibly the fastest killing combo in ubers.
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Hi Don
1) Sorry if I implied that you were not trying to uber. I did not mean anything like that. Just wanted to point out that theory is just theory. Real time gaming is necessary to further advance your build.
2) Very brave of you to take on ubers without curses.
3) Remember to prebuff with LW first before entering uber. I have tested on what happens to me when I did not have fade on against Meph. It was really an accident. My fade left me halfway through when toe to toe against Meph. I died in 2-3 hits. I was wearing COH, Arreats, perfect Maras, 19-18 anni, a low btorch that time and 11 all resist rare ring. My all resist was possibly in the 20-30 range without fade after conviction. I was abit stoned that day and did not manage to hit the full rev hotkey in time. So, it's always good to be well prepared for accidents like that.
4) There is this gravel of pain for amp dam charges. This has been brought up by one of the posts in Spank's guide. I am not sure about decrepify but try shopping with vendors. They may come out with unexpected stuff.
5) Glad that your uber runs have gone well!
Cheers
Frenzy Kujaku
Hows this fo the dumbest runeword ever...
Wrath 4 Socket Missile Weapons Pul + Lum + Ber + Mal
30% Chance To Cast Level 1 Decrepify On Striking
5% Chance To Cast Level 10 Life Tap On Striking
+375% Damage To Demons
+100 To Attack Rating Against Demons
+250-300% Damage To Undead (varies)
Adds 85-120 Magic Damage
Adds 41-240 Lightning Damage
20% Chance of Crushing Blow
Prevent Monster Heal
+10 To Energy
Cannot Be Frozen
why would you want two different curses overwriting each other, is just stupidity, but this is another way to cast decrepify.
someone should make a list of all the items that ctc these curses.
you can even get ctc on rare (yellow) weapons for amp damage, something like 5% ctc level 1 amp damage, so someone should include this as well on the list of curse casters.
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someone should make a list of all the items that ctc these curses.
It's been done, and more (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=485464).
Will decrep make Meph any weaker? most of his (or is it her?) damage comes from his aura so it wouldn't would it?
In which case, Diablo and Baal are pretty damn easy in comparison, that it would be pointless to pick decrep over amp imo.
If it is useful, I might test out a spellsteel before moving onto lacerators.
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I'm also wondering now whether using amplify is worth it, cause you end up using more rejuv pots.. Hunting for rejuv pots is kinda annoying :P
Meph damage does not come from aura. He does elemental and physical damge - aura only decrease your def and resistances.
Decrep slow him and you are attacked not so often or even you can interrupt attacks and avoid damage. I do not know Meph FHR.
I do not reccomend you beast + LW. It is perfect weapon set, but when I tried it I with another player, I had "connection interrupted" few times per run. Solo was easier, but difficult anyway. I did it on 1.11 but I think last patch did not change it.
Meph damage does not come from aura. He does elemental and physical damge - aura only decrease your def and resistances.
Decrep slow him and you are attacked not so often or even you can interrupt attacks and avoid damage. I do not know Meph FHR.
I do not reccomend you beast + LW. It is perfect weapon set, but when I tried it I with another player, I had "connection interrupted" few times per run. Solo was easier, but difficult anyway. I did it on 1.11 but I think last patch did not change it.
Oh duh, what am I talking about. Now to only find a spellsteal :P
I tried out beast + LW and it worked fine. I used them primarily on switch just to cast lifetap and fade, as beast and botd def killed quicker. It was very annoying to switch though.. especially because they're all zerkers and look the same lol.
Was the other player fighting as well? I know that when two players have torches on, it can cause connection interrupted if both your Blazes activate together. Especially a problem cause frenziers attack so damn quick.
pickadyp
20-05-2009, 11:43
Hows this fo the dumbest runeword ever...
Wrath 4 Socket Missile Weapons Pul + Lum + Ber + Mal
30% Chance To Cast Level 1 Decrepify On Striking
5% Chance To Cast Level 10 Life Tap On Striking
+375% Damage To Demons
+100 To Attack Rating Against Demons
+250-300% Damage To Undead (varies)
Adds 85-120 Magic Damage
Adds 41-240 Lightning Damage
20% Chance of Crushing Blow
Prevent Monster Heal
+10 To Energy
Cannot Be Frozen
why would you want two different curses overwriting each other, is just stupidity, but this is another way to cast decrepify.
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This isn't dumb if you think about it. Decrepify triggers and you do more damage, while your health is getting drained, then the 5% LT triggers and you are at full health...then decrep triggers and you are doing more damage...
But thats only if you want to entrust your curses to your merc...I wouldnt. Mine dies too often.
sirwhere
20-05-2009, 15:53
I did uberT over and over again with a frenzier with 3000 life, grief/lawbringer and no lifetap.
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