need help with building chantress pvp

[KillaMike]

after looking at bugdins and having seen chantress can solo ubers ( and mephie as well :omg: ) i want to make duel dream chantress, so question is as follow, what gear for lvl 90 chantress? what stats assign? what weapon? es vs vita

plz tell me all guides, i ve heard wierd one: 2 dream + 2 dragon, sounds like bugdin, but better because masteryes gives more dmg

or passion + coh for good res, but i prefer es, so is it enigma?

ar problem, i know chant gives ar, should i go fo max block or no block?

what shield base should i use?

plz plz plz help

Mike

[rCt Arbitur]

Depends, if you wanna go human form or bear form. i haven't really played one but i've seen plenty of em.

For a bear sorc you should use the following:

Dream helm
Dream shield
Fortitude/Dragon armor
Passion PB
Verdungos Coil
IAS gloves or Magefist, i dont know it actually depends on how fast you want to hit.
Waterwalks/treks/Gores or silkweaves for a ES build
A soj
Ravenfrost
Highlords
*SWITCH* Beast in a wep and a shield with +skills for pre-buffing bear.

For skills i'd say:

20 Enchant
20 Warmth
20 Firemastery
20 Lightning Mastery
1 pt teleport
idk about rest and it depends if you choose to go with a ES build, anyways i g2g, ill type more later.

[mystified]

es is only way.
also armor will be somrthing like 45 ias/cham for cbf and needed ias.
ofc jeweller's of whale.

this will get u ias u need, tankage via es, and fcr as well as life boost.

btw can't have 2 drean AND 2 dragon.

[KillaMike]

soryr, not 2 dragons, 1 dragon (armour) and HoJ

btw, i like rCt guide, i would like to hear more, and i think i ll kick into ES build

[wizAdept]

There was a guide around somewhere, maybe someone will post a link.
Basic cookiecutter telezeal sorc setup:

dream helm
dream tower shield
passion phase blade
2/20fcr/+ sorc craft amulet (or Armageddon fletch if nonladder)
2x soj
frostburns
mana craft boots (or trires/stat/fhr if nonladder)
arach belt
jewelers armor of 100hp socketed: cham, 3x 15/15ias

charms:
1x light/fhr (86 bp)
4~7x light/hp (you get 50k+ damage after 5x gcs, no need for full skillers)
rest of inv space for 17/20s (70/15s if nonladder)


stats:
enough str for equip (nonladder setup has base str)
353 dex for maxblock on tower shield after +stats
no need vit
rest in energy

skills:
20 enchant (your ar)
1 fire mastery
20 light mastery (your damage)
20 tk (es synergy)
15~20 es (depending on how many gcs you use and if you buff)
rest in thunderstorm
1 shiver/chilling armor (unless you wanna prebuff them all the time)


There are other variants of zeal sorcs but this is the most common one and the one I recommend.

[KillaMike]

i like your guide, but what you saying is that i a) have to pump a lot of dex, and i dont like that, better be without block then, let mana take it all
b) no enchant synergize, which is gonna drop me on fire dmg, so if i see li i am :tombstone:

i am thinking of this gear, critizm is welcome:

dream bone visage
dream elite shield
160/45 ias plate
arach for mana
gores
triple res gloves
soj / raven
mara
passion pb

stats

str base
dex base
vita none
energy All

Base mean for gear only

Mike

[wizAdept]

i like your guide, but what you saying is that i a) have to pump a lot of dex, and i dont like that, better be without block then, let mana take it all
b) no enchant synergize, which is gonna drop me on fire dmg, so if i see li i am :tombstone:

i am thinking of this gear, critizm is welcome:

dream bone visage
dream elite shield
160/45 ias plate
arach for mana
gores
triple res gloves
soj / raven
mara
passion pb

stats

str base
dex base
vita none
energy All

Base mean for gear only

Mike

You need 353 dex for maxblock on tower shield, you could go with a pure energy build but the lack of block will show itself when you duel opponents that can be blocked. Also zeal sorcs have fairly low ar, this is why some players use angelics (which I do NOT recommend) however having higher dex fixes the ar problem to some extent, which is a nice bonus along with maxblock.

Fire damage is worthless imo. I did play with a few zeal sorc builds where I maxed warmth or put the rest in warmth instead of TS, the mana regen was good, the fire damage bonus was not really noticeable. After a few different builds I think TS is a better choice for skill points than warmth or fire mastery.
The damage is really all light damage. Even with warmth maxed its not a big boost.

ias bp for sorc zeal is 65ias (45armor + 20passion)
I would rather cham armor than wear 1x raven but raven isn't too bad, you get a bit higher ar but your mana/skills takes a hit from losing a soj slot.
Whats 160 in your armor? ed%? pointless on zeal sorcs.
Same for gores, why? cb% and ow% are nice but opponents should be dropping in a few hits to 50k zeal. ds% does not work on the holy shock damage.
Why bone visage and elite shield? do you like higher str reqs and dex requirements? tower shield and a lower req helm make for better stats.

Otherwise setup looks alright but 20fcr total is kinda slow, better if you can get the 40fcr bp.. but if maras is best you can afford sure why not it'll work.

[KillaMike]

sounds fun, ginna try it now then, just finish my UL on friday and do it strraight after that ^^

Mike

[wizAdept]

sounds fun, ginna try it now then, just finish my UL on friday and do it strraight after that ^^

Mike

Yup its fun.
Just watch out for and avoid smiters. There isnt anything you can do to them with sorc zeal. Other than that its pretty fun to stomp down on players. Some other classes can be hard but still fun to duel against.


oh yeah and I noticed in your last post you mentioned trires gloves, I overlooked commenting on that but.. frostburn is a better choice, lots more mana to tank with, you should be able to get max or high resists anyway.

[KillaMike]

Yup its fun.
Just watch out for and avoid smiters. There isnt anything you can do to them with sorc zeal. Other than that its pretty fun to stomp down on players. Some other classes can be hard but still fun to duel against.


oh yeah and I noticed in your last post you mentioned trires gloves, I overlooked commenting on that but.. frostburn is a better choice, lots more mana to tank with, you should be able to get max or high resists anyway.

what am i talking about? frost burns

i need nothing but mana to stay alive, tested and its true, with es i got always 75 res, when its out (or mana gone) i got what i got

Mike

[SeCKSEgai]

Not having a high block will really be noticeable. The last enchantress I fought on my ghost was really a pushover on my ghost. With poison bypassing ES and most of my attacks landing, my life would outlast the sorc's. Since your focus is on melee combat, you need to mitigate melee damage as much as possible. While having a bigger blue bubble means faster regen, even with blue pots being gm it's the damage that gets through es you have to worry about.

[KillaMike]

Not having a high block will really be noticeable. The last enchantress I fought on my ghost was really a pushover on my ghost. With poison bypassing ES and most of my attacks landing, my life would outlast the sorc's. Since your focus is on melee combat, you need to mitigate melee damage as much as possible. While having a bigger blue bubble means faster regen, even with blue pots being gm it's the damage that gets through es you have to worry about.

mana pots are not allowed in ES duels :girly:

Mike

[mystified]

@mike// i think point he was making is that even with potting, ow and psn dmg will go through easily without block, so even if u pot you will do bad w.o block

[vknez]

go for max block. extra dex as side affect wiill give extra ar.
maybe to consider twitchtroe armor? 20 ias, fhr, dex, str, 20 % blocking, cheap

[KillaMike]

go for max block. extra dex as side affect wiill give extra ar.
maybe to consider twitchtroe armor? 20 ias, fhr, dex, str, 20 % blocking, cheap

i didnt ask for cheap

any way, i ve made my mind, blame me if you wish but this is build as follow:

20/20 soso t
20/17/6 anni
MP eni
dream bone visage
drem troll
nokozam belt (10 ias one )
soj
perfict raven
20 ias gloves
sand treks

life/mana scs
6 light sks
3fire sks

so no str points needed at all ( well.... just 10.... )

gonna test it some time tomorrow

Mike

[korialstraz]

i didnt ask for cheap

Mike

Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it isn't effective! :girly:

[SeCKSEgai]

Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it isn't effective! :girly:

Oh how true that is.

[rickster]

Yup its fun.
Just watch out for and avoid smiters. There isnt anything you can do to them with sorc zeal. Other than that its pretty fun to stomp down on players. Some other classes can be hard but still fun to duel against.
What do you do versus trappers?

What about charged strike zons? I've dueled a few that can one hit ko me.

Do you change your gear to counter your opponent? My stash is mostly filled with prebuff gear. I do swap armors versus casters/melee. I was thinking about getting a poison reduction amulet versus ghosts, rabies druids and poison necros. The best I found was a 2 sorc, 18fcr, 3str, 75pdr, but I didn't like the fact that I wouldn't have max block, since my main amulet has 16 dex.




Here's my ladder build

Helm: Dream Crown - 30fhr, 20@res
Shield: Dream Tower Shield - 29fhr, 19@res
Weapon: Passion Phase Blade - 80%AR (in a 15/3 base)
Armor1: Jeweler's Gothic Plate of the Whale - 90 life, socketed with 3x 15ias/15res jewels and cham
Armor2: Jeweler's Dusk Shroud of the Whale - 95 life, socketed with 3x 15ias/100ar jewels and cham
Amulet: 2sorc, 19fcr, 16dex, 17mana, 14@res
Rings: 2 matching sojs
Belt: 120%ed Arach
Gloves: 20%ed Frostburns
Boots: 30 r/w, 9dex, 34 mana, 5% inc mana

Switch
6/6 cta flail
BO splendor

Inventory
20/20 sorc troch
20/20/7 anni
5x 45 light lifers
1x 12fhr 59 mana
1x 40 life, 58 mana
1x 45 life, 56 mana
10x 20life, 17 mana
2x 5fhr 17 mana
1x 5fhr, 5res

Stash
Memory - 9es, 5 shiver armor, 4 thunderstorm
1x 44 light lifer
1x 12fhr light GC
20% enchant ormus
3es ormus (hel'd)
3 fire circlet with +49 strength (double fal'd)
3 light circlet with +33 strength (fal'd)

Cube:
Eth spirit monarch
6 chant orb (2 5/5 fire die facets)
6 thunderstorm orb (double fal'd)
+3 light amulet with +27 strength
+3 fire amulet with +26 strength


Skills:
20 Telekinesis
20 Thunderstorm
20 Lightning Mastery
20 Enchant
8 Energy Shield
5 Warmth
1 Teleport
1 Charged Bolt
1 Lightning
1 Chain Lightning
1 Static Field
1 Nova
1 Fire Bolt
1 Fire ball
1 Fire Mastery

Pic (with prebuffed lvl 44 enchant)
http://i41.tinypic.com/j606yt.jpg

here's a pic where i went 10 fire mastery 10 warmth (instead of 20 thunderstorm) you can see I do a bit more fire damage (also with prebuffed lvl 44 enchant)
http://i41.tinypic.com/2z5k75h.jpg

[SeCKSEgai]

Oh you do pvp with her - I take it you don't pub with her tho huh?

[vknez]

What do you do versus trappers?

What about charged strike zons? I've dueled a few that can one hit ko me.

Do you change your gear to counter your opponent? My stash is mostly filled with prebuff gear. I do swap armors versus casters/melee. I was thinking about getting a poison reduction amulet versus ghosts, rabies druids and poison necros. The best I found was a 2 sorc, 18fcr, 3str, 75pdr, but I didn't like the fact that I wouldn't have max block, since my main amulet has 16 dex.




Here's my ladder build

Helm: Dream Crown - 30fhr, 20@res
Shield: Dream Tower Shield - 29fhr, 19@res
Weapon: Passion Phase Blade - 80%AR (in a 15/3 base)
Armor1: Jeweler's Gothic Plate of the Whale - 90 life, socketed with 3x 15ias/15res jewels and cham
Armor2: Jeweler's Dusk Shroud of the Whale - 95 life, socketed with 3x 15ias/100ar jewels and cham
Amulet: 2sorc, 19fcr, 16dex, 17mana, 14@res
Rings: 2 matching sojs
Belt: 120%ed Arach
Gloves: 20%ed Frostburns
Boots: 30 r/w, 9dex, 34 mana, 5% inc mana

Switch
6/6 cta flail
BO splendor

Inventory
20/20 sorc troch
20/20/7 anni
5x 45 light lifers
1x 12fhr 59 mana
1x 40 life, 58 mana
1x 45 life, 56 mana
10x 20life, 17 mana
2x 5fhr 17 mana
1x 5fhr, 5res

Stash
Memory - 9es, 5 shiver armor, 4 thunderstorm
1x 44 light lifer
1x 12fhr light GC
20% enchant ormus
3es ormus (hel'd)
3 fire circlet with +49 strength (double fal'd)
3 light circlet with +33 strength (fal'd)

Cube:
Eth spirit monarch
6 chant orb (2 5/5 fire die facets)
6 thunderstorm orb (double fal'd)
+3 light amulet with +27 strength
+3 fire amulet with +26 strength


Skills:
20 Telekinesis
20 Thunderstorm
20 Lightning Mastery
20 Enchant
8 Energy Shield
5 Warmth
1 Teleport
1 Charged Bolt
1 Lightning
1 Chain Lightning
1 Static Field
1 Nova
1 Fire Bolt
1 Fire ball
1 Fire Mastery

Pic (with prebuffed lvl 44 enchant)
http://i41.tinypic.com/j606yt.jpg

here's a pic where i went 10 fire mastery 10 warmth (instead of 20 thunderstorm) you can see I do a bit more fire damage (also with prebuffed lvl 44 enchant)
http://i41.tinypic.com/2z5k75h.jpg

i like your char (nice name), altough i think 20 warmth is something very valuable

[rickster]

i like your char (nice name), altough i think 20 warmth is something very valuable

I've done the calculations and warmth is not very impressive for 3k mana sorcs.

These calculations are done with my gear

Level 20 warmth = 130 mana regenerated per second
Level 10 warmth = 99 mrps
Level 5 warmth = 83 mrps

When I lose 1000 mana
With Level 20 warmth, it takes 7.5 seconds to get that mana back.
With level 10 warmth, it takes 10 seconds to get that mana back.
With level 5 warmth, it takes 12 seconds to get that mana back.

When I lose 2000 mana
With level 20 warmth, it takes 15 seconds to get that mana back.
With level 10 warmth, it takes 20 seconds to get that mana back.
With level 5 warmth, it takes 24 seconds to get that mana back.

Of course if you take around 3k damage, your ES will break.


If you really think that warmth is that big of a difference, I would recommend splitting your remaining points between warmth/fire master or warmth/thunder storm. That way you get some damage and some regen.


Now If you played on the realm with 15life/70 mana charms, and you have a level 99 character, then warmth would be worth it to max out.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8349/screenshot028sa9.jpg

That is with 8 light 50 life skillers, 13x 15/70 charms, a godly amulet +2 sorc skills, 20% fcr, 18 str, 56 life, 59 mana, 23@res, and godly rare boots, 30 r/w 20fhr, 19str, tri resists.

[SeCKSEgai]

Agreed, I'd take mana charms (adding to mana) over heavy investment in warmth since you dedicate quite a few points to es as is.

[wizAdept]

What do you do versus trappers?

What about charged strike zons? I've dueled a few that can one hit ko me.

Do you change your gear to counter your opponent? My stash is mostly filled with prebuff gear. I do swap armors versus casters/melee. I was thinking about getting a poison reduction amulet versus ghosts, rabies druids and poison necros. The best I found was a 2 sorc, 18fcr, 3str, 75pdr, but I didn't like the fact that I wouldn't have max block, since my main amulet has 16 dex.

Zeal sorcs have quite a few class disadvantages.

On the list of things they stand least chance against imo:
auradins
smiters
cs zons

Trappers well, a good trapper will have a large advantage over a zeal sorc, but vs most trappers its not too bad. Just gotta take your time, concentrate on not jumping into traps, try to bait them out with TS hits (although shadow does soak up most of the TS). c/c trappers cant block zeal well so if you catch them outside traps for just one zeal burst you can pk them on the spot. Walking and mashing weaponswitch is advisable while being mindblasted, dont try to stand your ground, wait for an opening and telezeal in on them when they overextend themselves outside traps.
As mentioned, good trappers will have an advantage and should win unless they do something foolish. But its not as bad of a matchup as auradins or smiters where you cant do anything with zeal against them.

There are a bunch of other classes that give me a lot of trouble when I play zeal sorc, maxblock fb sorcs have a huge advantage imo, even if you outnamelock and telestomp the sorc correctly there is a good chance all your zeal hits will get blocked and you'll eat fb and die before your zeal burst ends.

But overall its not too bad, its a pretty good class vs most imo, but some of the class advantages/disadvantages are very black and white.


As for stash equipment, I had dr gear in stash:
Btals/SoE mainly
I also carried a gangel/2piece ik setup but I didnt use it too much.

Actually after a while (this was on d2pk btw) I rebuilt with some a sorc safty amulet and safty/fcr ring and raven, using mal/ 3x 15/15ias jewelers armor. I lost 2skills worth of damage but the mdr/idr made it a neat setup.
I dont think its really worth it for a bnet build however, 2x soj is just solid for this build. Although there isnt that big of a difference in mana when you stat around 1x raven, a bit more ar, and a free armor slot.

At the moment I dont have my zeal sorc constructed since I rebuilt it under the same name as my ww sorc. >.>

[SeCKSEgai]

ww sorc? I didn't think that was possible.

But as far for the build goes, its just nice to see it for varieties sake, there are enough hdins and smiters hanging around the pubs.

[rickster]

Zeal sorcs have quite a few class disadvantages.

On the list of things they stand least chance against imo:
auradins
smiters
cs zons

Trappers well, a good trapper will have a large advantage over a zeal sorc, but vs most trappers its not too bad. Just gotta take your time, concentrate on not jumping into traps, try to bait them out with TS hits (although shadow does soak up most of the TS). c/c trappers cant block zeal well so if you catch them outside traps for just one zeal burst you can pk them on the spot. Walking and mashing weaponswitch is advisable while being mindblasted, dont try to stand your ground, wait for an opening and telezeal in on them when they overextend themselves outside traps.
As mentioned, good trappers will have an advantage and should win unless they do something foolish. But its not as bad of a matchup as auradins or smiters where you cant do anything with zeal against them.
Thanks for the tips.

As for stash equipment, I had dr gear in stash:
Btals/SoE mainly
I also carried a gangel/2piece ik setup but I didnt use it too much.
Yeah GA never seemed that good to me since you lose like 1/6 of your mana. All it really offers is the block rate. Though I'd imagine it would be the best armor versus other zeal sorcs. Don't you have to rebuild to use those items? You need 118 strength for GA, and you should have around 75.

SoE sounds like a good swap, I actually have room for it.


Actually after a while (this was on d2pk btw) I rebuilt with some a sorc safty amulet and safty/fcr ring and raven, using mal/ 3x 15/15ias jewelers armor. I lost 2skills worth of damage but the mdr/idr made it a neat setup.
I dont think its really worth it for a bnet build however, 2x soj is just solid for this build. Although there isnt that big of a difference in mana when you stat around 1x raven, a bit more ar, and a free armor slot.
Interesting, Jewelers armor of Amicae? Roll some safety boots too, that'd be pretty sweet. I might try that if I ever find the armor.

At the moment I dont have my zeal sorc constructed since I rebuilt it under the same name as my ww sorc. >.>
ww sorc? Wearbear? Wildwitch? Waterwalks?

[wizAdept]

ww sorc? Wearbear? Wildwitch? Waterwalks?

Whirlwind. <.<

It's on d2pk3 mod with some new items the patch maker threw in to spice up ol' d2. Some of the new silly stuff offered includes a sorc only 2h staff with +1 ww and level 10 holyshock. It makes for a fun char, although it has its own class advantages/disadvantages as other d2 chars.

[SeCKSEgai]

Oh ok, was gonna say, if it were possible on the realms I would have seen one by now =)

[KillaMike]

i ve build her, but due to luck of finding my armour, gonna delete her and make bowa

Mike

edit: big failer on mana / life and ias without armour, so she has to go for something MUCH BETTER