Summons

[rCt Arbitur]

Hey, im currently thinking about what char to play on /players 8 with a friend and im thinking about a summoner of some kind which ive never played before. I dont want to play a necro, so i've almost settled for a fire/summon druid but before i make up my mind i would like some insight/opinions on the other class summons aswell.


****Valkyrie****
Lvl: 20 - no skill bonuses and most synergies.

Life: 3520-4224
Damage: +475%
Attack: +1200
Defence Bonus: +190%
Mana Cost: 44

NOTES: Can use dodge, avoid and evade.

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****Shadow Master****
Lvl: 20 - No skill bonuses.

Life: 1447
Attack: +800
Resist All: +67%
Mana Cost: 44

NOTES: Can be immune against some elements.

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****Grizzly (Option 1)****
Lvl: 20 - No skill bonuses. Maxed dire wolfs.

Life: 3437-4687
Attack: +50%
Defence: +50%
Damage: 945-1039
Damage: +215%
Mana Cost: 40

NOTES: Can get damage bonuses from HoW.

****Grizzly (Option 2)****
Lvl: 20 - No skill bonuses. Maxed dire AND spirit wolfs.

Life: 3437-4687
Attack: +525%
Defence: +240%
Damage: 945-1039
Damage: +215%
Mana Cost: 40

NOTES: Can get damage bonuses from HoW.

****Grizzly (Option 3)****
Lvl: 20 - No skill bonuses. 10 dire and spirit.

Life: 2062-2812
Attack: +275%
Defence: +140%
Damage: 945-1039
Damage: +215%
Mana Cost: 40

NOTES: can get damage bonuses from HoW.

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__-__-Grizzly-__-__
Lvl: 20 - +4 skills. 10 dire and spirit. 1 pt HoW

Life: 2612-3562
Attack: +375%
Defence: +180%
Danage: 1391-1498
Damage: +255%
DAMAGE WITH HOW: 2058-2217


__-__-Valkyrie-__-__
Lvl: 20 - +4 skills. most synergies.

Life: 3840-4608
Damage: +575%
Attack: +1360
Defence Bonus: +230%
Evade: 50%
Dodge: 50%
Avoid: 58%


__-__-Shadow Master-__-__
Lvl: 20 - +4 skills.

Life: 1673
Attack: +960
Resist All: +70%

It seems to me like a Grizzly seems to be the best, it got the lowest cooldown and the most balanced stats IMO so i guess it seems like the best one, anyone think so too?

[DeathAndDecay]

I played all of them.
Valkyrie is the hardest tank, but I mostly like Shadow Master because of things that she does: uses almost all Assassin skills, and her killing speed isn't that bad, but on /p8 - I don't think so, none of these summons can last long on /p8, I would say SM, for her crowd control and stuff. Thats it.

P.S. Valkyrie can be immune to elemental damage too.

[Raskah]

Shadow Master and Valkirie can't kill things at /p8.
I also have my doubts against the druid... Even a pure summoner, max grizzly, max dire wolfs, max HOW (forget spirit wolfs, you don't need the AR and DR bonus, the summons hit just fine) the damage would not be enough to kill things at an acceptable rate. Maybe with a might merc with Pride and you with Beast/Faith and Atma's scarab (for the AD)...

[rCt Arbitur]

Hmm, i knew about that valks can spawn with immunities (must have forgot that). Btw so you think i shud put rest of points in the Dire wolfs after ive maxed Grizz for more life? i will play at /players 8 so i thought i'd need to rearrange the points to get more defence/ar on the bear, but i guess i won't need it if you say so. I've pretty much decided on a fire summoner (maxed firestorm, volcano and fissure then 20 pts grizz, 1 pt how and rest in dires for life bonus) now since it seems fun and i've never played one before (well actually i have but i only reached level 11 with it at players 1, really boring leveling but that was back when i had a windows 98' without internet = no synergies :S

Well, thanks alot for your help. i think i got what i need now.

[Hrus]

(maxed firestorm, volcano and fissure then 20 pts grizz, 1 pt how and rest in dires for life bonus)Forget about /players8 in hell. Players1 will be quite an accomplishment with this build.
Frankly, your damage will be better with 1pt in wolf and fury and decent weapon.

[Cormac McArt]

Valkyrie is the prettyest. Shadow Master is the smartest. Grizzly is the most hard-hitting!

P.S.: The only real problem with Grizzly is the Lack of Resistances! So it might take an Arrow or Two before Dies but don't expect it to Take More Than One Fire ball before Dies! (Too bad Druid can't Surround with Cyclone Armor his Minions as well! ...)

[DeathAndDecay]

20 points in Grizzly is good, he will die soon in hell, but almost never gets that first hit kill.

[Cormac McArt]

20 points in Grizzly is good, he will die soon in hell, but almost never gets that first hit kill.
Nope - it does quite well vs. Monsters (in Hell) even with 1 hard skill point!
In Duels it's viable mostly for Meet Shield!