frozen? shiver? chilling? which to max

[egg dude]

well im a pvp enchant sorc and i need to max one for def im just not sure which i was thinking shiver for the freeze target on attack and more def thank frozen post that you think

[Scudstorm]

Anyone who cares about being chilled carries Cannot Be Frozen somewhere. Coupled with the horrible def sorcs normally get, a cold armor isn't a very good skill to max. Consider Fortitude armor too, it gives a decent lvl Chilling armor and is a nice armor for Enchanters.

That being said, if you really want to max one, pick the one with the most defense. The german skill calculator is your friend.

[SeCKSEgai]

the def bonus gained isn't worth the skill points invested +1 in the one you want to use should suffice, especially since you should have some +all skills.

[rickster]

The german skill calculator is your friend.

any chance I can get the correct link or a translation?

http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/defcalc.php

somehow i figured out how to get the English version for the affix calc, but i don't remember how I got this link
http://diablo3.ingame.de/spiel/expansion/itemdb/affix_index.php?lang=en&version=lod&patch=111

I believe shiver armor adds more defense, but there's a myth about chilling armor actually blocking missile attacks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdu1dOQ9rcY

[Scudstorm]

any chance I can get the correct link or a translation?

The Indiablo.de Skill Calculator (http://diablo3.ingame.de/spiel/skills/calc/index.php?lang=en), linked by the Arreat Summit Files (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/files.shtml).

I believe shiver armor adds more defense, but there's a myth about chilling armor actually blocking missile attacks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdu1dOQ9rcY

Nobody seems to know for sure, it appears to be a form of lag/desynch. You appear to be hit client side and the ice bolt gets sent out, but server side it missed so you didn't receive any damage.

If the above explanation is true, Chilling armor wouldn't in any way "block" attacks since it's not what caused the desynch. It would only tell you when desynch happened.

Some discussion on the subject here (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635436).

[egg dude]

any chance I can get the correct link or a translation?

http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/defcalc.php

somehow i figured out how to get the English version for the affix calc, but i don't remember how I got this link
http://diablo3.ingame.de/spiel/expansion/itemdb/affix_index.php?lang=en&version=lod&patch=111

I believe shiver armor adds more defense, but there's a myth about chilling armor actually blocking missile attacks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdu1dOQ9rcY

wow after watching that vid i think im going to go with chilling, thanks

[evev]

Maybe it's because I'm fairly new but I've never heard of any Sorc that maxes one of the cold armors. Put one point in the armor of your choice max and let +skills take care of the rest. That said I believe Shiver Armor gives you the best defense bonus, but if you are not getting ice spells, then just put one point in Chilling Armor and be done with it.

[rickster]

The Indiablo.de Skill Calculator (http://diablo3.ingame.de/spiel/skills/calc/index.php?lang=en), linked by the Arreat Summit Files (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/files.shtml).
thanks for the link, I was hoping i could get an English version of the defense calculator

I think this site has an ingenious layout for a skill calcuator:

http://www.d2items.com/skills.php (i hope it's not illegal to link this site)

though I can't vouch for the validity


Some discussion on the subject here (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=635436).
thanks for the link, i'll look into this

Maybe it's because I'm fairly new but I've never heard of any Sorc that maxes one of the cold armors

Here's a video where all the cold armors are maxed (and so is cold mastery), and the opponent dies while the sorc stands still

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhT2XFPvVEM

again, i have no clue if this is legit

[rickster]

So i read the threads about chilling/shiver armor, and am still confused.

I think i'm just going to put zero points into them, and not trade my 9es, 4tstorm, 5 shiver armor memory staff.

[egg dude]

Maybe it's because I'm fairly new but I've never heard of any Sorc that maxes one of the cold armors. Put one point in the armor of your choice max and let +skills take care of the rest. That said I believe Shiver Armor gives you the best defense bonus, but if you are not getting ice spells, then just put one point in Chilling Armor and be done with it.

ya i'm kinda wingin it on this build i have points to max 2 more skills and i was thinkin that would help but idk ill see what i need points in

[Scudstorm]

No English version for the Defense calculator. :( Gotta get out our german dictionaries I guess... at least it's easier now with the Internet.

The calculators' index can be found here (http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/). Not all have English versions, when they do there is often a link in the German version.

So i read the threads about chilling/shiver armor, and am still confused.

I think i'm just going to put zero points into them, and not trade my 9es, 4tstorm, 5 shiver armor memory staff.

I've done a bit further research. Here are some threads where posters are the most informed (i.e. have done tests instead of just saying yes it does, no it does not):

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=650433

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=636125

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608468

This last one gets a lot discussion, but few tests.

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=541218

Most seem to think that skill lvl is irrelevant as long as the armor is on.

[SeCKSEgai]

thanks for the link, I was hoping i could get an English version of the defense calculator

I think this site has an ingenious layout for a skill calcuator:

http://www.d2items.com/skills.php (i hope it's not illegal to link this site)

though I can't vouch for the validity



thanks for the link, i'll look into this


Here's a video where all the cold armors are maxed (and so is cold mastery), and the opponent dies while the sorc stands still

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhT2XFPvVEM

again, i have no clue if this is legit

I watched some of the videos - note the charms... good luck getting that many 45 lifers legitimately let alone the scs. I do see it being possible but a sorc with so many points in armors - what else is the sorc going to do - great for experimentation (like the videos were meant for) but actual usefulness is a different story.

Definitely a good idea to keep your prebuff staff.

[rickster]

You know what, i'm thinking TWS might have recorded those videos on D2PK, as I recall seeing a level 99 sorc, and he even mentions d2pk in his other d2 videos (i <3 his zeal sorc). Maybe that has something to do with it. He even says he has 150+ ping on d2pk (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=568577).

It appears the people who test this, posted videos confirming it doesn't block. And the people who say it does block, haven't posted videos.

Definitely a good idea to keep your prebuff staff.

I meant i was going to trade it for one with chilling armor.

[stephan]

Chilling armor doesn't deflect. Those "tests" that "confirm" blocking are bogus. Attacking that fast only means you get lag and desynch and are unable to confirm hits and blocks, or they use lightning damage and get lucky with the damage roll being 1 or 2.

[SeCKSEgai]

I think its kind of strange how there came to be so much speculation as to whether chilling armor blocked attacks, especially when just about every sorc wields a shield.

You could technically say that it is deflecting attacks, as it makes you harder to hit thus deflecting away what otherwise would hit.