which chest shall i use for bowazon?

[lewo]

hello everyone,
i've a strafer, using a windforce
i can't pick between the chests that,
i've an enigma and a fortitude runeword, and can't decide which one would be better, with fortitude i reach really high damage, but enigma gives nice mf/2skill/valuable teleport and much more.
also i have not tried chains of honor, would that be better?

also need another advice about the helm,

harlequin crest vs corona of ages (if i can find 2x fervor jewels i'll use them)

[KremBanan]

Fortitude for armor. For helm, I would use a Stealskull over those.

[stillman]

The D-cups.

Seriously though, I would disregard enigma because you would also need some faster cast rate gear to teleport past enemies. Without enough faster cast rate, you'll get swarmed and killed.

The crown of ages requires huge strength investment, and strength is useless on a bowazon.

[DH Amazon]

The D-cups.

Seriously though, I would disregard enigma because you would also need some faster cast rate gear to teleport past enemies. Without enough faster cast rate, you'll get swarmed and killed.


With decent life and 99fcr ama is safe while teleporting. Or at least safer than sorc. But you can't just change armor, you need to build whole char around it. For example, don't tele if you have 400 life and no resist in hell, its suicide.

Fortitude is better for typical ama. Only with special reason, choose otherwise.

Both give enough damage for full games. As full game baalruns are so easy to solo with ama, I prefer *) Enigma over Fortitude.
*) those physical immune mages in lvl3 ruin running amas baalruns, so enigma is only option for me + with tele merc is safe in 99/100 runs.

[Bladewind]

If you gonna teleport, make sure you have a wizard spike and spirit on switch and maybe something else to increase the FCR.

Spirit shield WILL help a ton because all Bowazons are high dex chars anyway so your block will still be max.

[sangfagel]

With decent life and 99fcr ama is safe while teleporting. Or at least safer than sorc.
This statement is an obvious nonsense.
But you can't just change armor, you need to build whole char around it. For example, don't tele if you have 400 life and no resist in hell, its suicide. This part is true but... Why to build a zon who is trying to be a sorc if You can build a sorc being ... herself?

Fortitude is better for typical ama. Absoule true.

Both give enough damage for full games. As full game baalruns are so easy to solo with ama, False again. A top-geared lit sorc is devastation itself. A top-geared boazon (any of them) is just good-enough-performer. Game statistics are as they are and we can do little against it.

I prefer Enigma over Fortitude. those physical immune mages in lvl3 ruin running amas baalruns, so enigma is only option for me + with tele merc is safe in 99/100 runs. Amazons have their class specific ways to deal with ph immunes... What do You do if after a successfull teleportation meet some ph immune guys in Throne of Destruction?

[zorroaster]

A pure physical bowama wearing eni, with decent enough life for safe tele has enough damage output to easily handle full baalruns solo. You made me curious (or we play a totally different game) Could you pls give some details on gear, stats and screenshot of LCS? Thx

[DH Amazon]

This statement is an obvious nonsense.
This part is true but... Why to build a zon who is trying to be a sorc if You can build a sorc being ... herself?

Absoule true.

False again. A top-geared lit sorc is devastation itself. A top-geared boazon (any of them) is just good-enough-performer. Game statistics are as they are and we can do little against it.

Amazons have their class specific ways to deal with ph immunes... What do You do if after a successfull teleportation meet some ph immune guys in Throne of Destruction?


Or at least safer than sorc.
For me, teleing is moving destination and clearing at least little area there to make safe spot. With decoy I can keep dolls and other monsters far away.
Valkyrie tanks and its recastable if iron maiden kills it. With 4k life, it tanks better than merc if fast moving death lords around. Rogue merc stays alive run after run, no need to worry or babysit her.
At least in Bnet Sorcs get killed quite often, but hardly ever see tele-ama get killed. Little biased, as usually tele-ama knows what she is doing and has good items too.
I have tried 3 different tele-amas with this ladder, so far no deaths while teleing.
Max block, around 50% dodge,evade avoid, good extra tank(valkyrie) and good life (around 900 is enough) keeps them safe enough.
Haven't need BO for tele-amas so far, safe enough for my taste without BO, and you need item switch for tele items, too akward to use BO.


Top geared lightning sorc with conv merc, is still slower in certain areas than bow ama. But usually sorc is faster.

Maybe luck then, haven't got killed while teleing with ama in this ladder. Wizzpike and thunderbelt, so stacked resist against conv souls, so those can't kill either.
Ama has low tele speed, so areas with lots of little monsters are sometimes hard, add fana aura and ama has problems. Those stops you and you can't continue with tele. If you get stuck, valkyrie can tank and you have around 5-30 seconds to decide what to do while drinking pots. But usually 99fcr fix this problem, haven't got badly stuck in this ladder yet.

Tele-ama can clear throne in full game everytime, and big plus is that she can do it without losing merc. And she can do it without BO.

I have lightning sorc with lvl20 BO, she can clear throne and do waves faster than ama, but not every game. Luckily iron maiden adds some problems for sorc, so its at least some challenge left in some runs. And of course sorc is around 5-10 times faster while killing full game Baal than bow-ama.

If sorc can do 50 chaos/baal runs in a row without losing merc, then you have nice sorc. For ama, thats not hard.


Ama can kill extra fast Physical immune Lister just fine in full game, no problem. Valkyrie can tank, so monsters are safe to kill. Open wounds/poison and monster cannot heal with those three, every unbreakable PI can be killed. So Lister or any other immune can't heal. And if strafe is not enough to kill, magical arrow or FA (2k...) does the job.


Have you tried to solo full game baalruns with ama. Baal is huge problem but clearing throne/killing waves, those can be done while :coffee:, or almost as easy.

edit: shortening

[Bladewind]

I used a telezon for Chaos Runs as well. But normally I just clear the river of flame but if I am in a hurry, just tele will do fine.

[tinncann25]

everyone likes overlooking enigma's frw, +str, and mf? and focus on teleport? After you go enigma for running around, you never go back.

as for helm, that shako is a fine choice. This is a pvm character? thus the idea is to find gear no?

[MuffinMan]

everyone likes overlooking enigma's frw, +str, and mf? and focus on teleport? After you go enigma for running around, you never go back.

as for helm, that shako is a fine choice. This is a pvm character? thus the idea is to find gear no?

Amen! I only use tele on my nigma'ed zon (all mana fire/cold) to get my merc and valk repositioned. And as you say: Enigma allows for nasty strenght-bugging.. :whistling:

Ive kind of gotten addicted to a A1 harmony merc as well - running faster means getting yourself in the right spots faster (or out of the wrong ones), thus making up for some of the lost damage and giving a extra "safety margin".

[KremBanan]

This is a pvm character? thus the idea is to find gear no?

Not necesarry. I like to just clear Chaos Sanctuary with my bowa, regardless of finds :)

[Cppo-The-Wild]

i'd pick stealskull over harle. although it looks like a potty on your amazon's head :(

-Cppo