Smiter UT Alternative

[w-igor]

Do you know any GOOD smiter alternatives for all 7 ubers (DC, Izu, Lili, Duriel, UT)?
I'm not looking for "I've done UT twice with my two friends with this char" or "this char can be almost as good as cheap smiter if you have about 80-120 HRs for it". I need a Real World char who can beat ubers without ANY problems and without anyone else in the game. And if there are someone else in the game - I need the char who can solo ubers anyway.

I know GOOD smiter can. Who else?
And btw, could you post/pm me a link to the best UT Smiter guide you know? Just in case I won't find the real alternative

[krischan]

You just need 1 point in smite and it's a prereq for holy shield anyway, so you can as well use a zealot who is going to kill übers with smite. I don't see any reason why the usual anti-über gear should cost 80-120 HRs. The usual equipment shouldn't cost more than let's say 5 HRs and a lot of it can be bought for gems. For gathering organs, Enigma would be a good idea (also useful for solo Baal runs), that costs another 2 HRs.

Max zeal
Max sacrifice
Max fanaticism
Max holy shield (involves 1 in smite)
Rest into resist fire (for the passive bonus) or the HS synergy

Guillaume's
Grief PB
Enigma
HoZ
Dracul's
T-God's
Goreriders
Highlord's
Dual leech ring
Ravenfrost
Charms to maximize resists, MF charms to fill up furtherer equipment slots


Allres GCs with a total bonus of 75% and Stealth armor for Tristram in the stash (adds 125%res to counter Über Meph's aura)

That should cost about 10 Ists. Don't bother about perfect gear, it's pointless in this case. The added performance would be mininmal and it doesn't justify the additional costs, at least in PvM.

[w-igor]

That's basicly still the smiter. But are there any decent NON-smite UT builds out there? Cause YES, I see some guides with "Uber" in the title etc, but when I read the guide itself, there's always something like "I've done ubers twice with just a little help from my friend" etc. I've mave UT about 30 times with my previous pal and I want to make the same with my next char ;)

[krischan]

I know :azn: I just wanted to point out that this character is NOT a smiter, but a fana-zealot and that he is better versus übers than a real smiter, although he's using smite as well. He's just incidentally able to smite because it's a holy shield prereq, but I admit that I would invest a few points to get one point in it if it wasn't.

BTW, I'm making solo organ, Tristram and Baal runs with such a character. Doing it in teams screws up things too easily and you will have to agree on who's getting the torch while I like to have all the loot for myself :azn:

[Crowd Control]

I would go for a Ribby Druid. Though, as with the Zeal/Smiter, the most expensive are the Draculs and Gores. The rest is cheap cake. But with the Druid, the Ribcracker is very cheap too. And it's a fun char to play on the side.

[Dizzymjewu]

Consider a Kick-Assassin, i've done many UT's solo with her in the previous ladder. Gear i used:

Guillaume's / Kira vs Meph
Stormlash
Duress
Sanctuary Shield
Dracul's
Verdungo / Tgods vs Meph
Goreriders
Metalgrid
(Dual) leech ring with resists
Ravenfrost

Charms to maximize resists.

There are quite a bit of variants to the build, try and browse the Assassin forum for a good Kickguide :)

Good luck,

[Crowd Control]

Metalgrid, Stormlash and Sanctuary are all more expensive.

I've heard Smiters make it with just a Black Cudgel or something and a cheap (Spirit?) shield. It's just that the Draculs is inevitably necessary.

[Dizzymjewu]

I didn't catch the budget line.

[w-igor]

But the "GOOD" word is much more important than "cheap" for me. I CAN afford CoH/Forti/Grief and stuff. But I don't want my char to be effective only with 9 life skillers. Also, I'm getting angry each time I see "torch" in "GOZU UBER TRISTRAM CHAR GUIDE" gear section. I want my char to be effective without torch and anni, cause those are the only two items I want him to hunt!

But sadly from what I see the only char who suits my requirements is Pal. I've seen Werewolf youtube vids and they just doesn't convey me when I see the guy is fighting perfectly alone ubers one by one for few minutes each and at the end shows his "I can't even pick up a pgem from the ground" inventory.

I think I will just make the Pal. The only question is which one, cause there are many variations out there. This is what I've found for now:

The Exorcist (Zeal/Smite) - http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370389
Kingdryland's Zeal/Smite - http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=425449
The Vanquisher (BH/Smite) - http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=438088
The Uberdin (BH/Smite) - http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533673

Here's exactly what I want my char to do:

1. be almost completely inventory indepentend (no torch, anni and massive skiller lifers)
2. be able to hunt organs with ease (so he has to find the way to go through Izu's IM and Andy's "minions")
3. be able to UT with ease and maybe to fight them at the same time if needed
4. do it pretty fast, nn 3min Duriel runs

I think no other char than Pal can do it. I've had Kinkdryland's and Pougee's chars before and I know they can handle points 1, 3 and 4. But I'm thinking if BH/Smite is able to still be great at those 1,3,4 points and additionally has less trouble when hunting for organs (Andy and IM Izu especially). What do you guys think about BH/Smite builds for organs and UT?

Edit. Also, what do you think about those items for Organs/UT only:
- Fortitude vs Chains of Honor vs Enigma
- Last Wish vs Grief
- Zakarum vs Exile vs Sanctuary
- Highlord vs Metalgrid

[Crowd Control]

Then I misunderstood. But apparently if wealth isn't the problem, why shouldn't you put a few Skillers in the inventory? They can more than make up for the lack of Anni or Torch.

[krischan]

You won't be completely gear-independent. To be effective, you need resists to be overstacked by 125%, about 50% CB, ctc lifetap (or a wand with lifetap charges), 75% blocking and something which prevents regeneration, like OW, PMH or poison. Try that with a budget of e.g. an Um rune, being more or less the average value of a hell Hellforge rune :whistling: Regarding my setup, you can surely replace e.g. Grief with a different weapon, but HR prices are currently so low that it shouldn't be a problem to get one.

The only gear-independent thing is the melee attack which always hits.

Edit. Also, what do you think about those items for Organs/UT only:
- Fortitude vs Chains of Honor vs Enigma
- Last Wish vs Grief
- Zakarum vs Exile vs Sanctuary
- Highlord vs Metalgrid

See my build ;)

What I forgot: Spirit shield + Wizardspike in the weapon switch when wearing Enigma (the fcr breakpoint is 75%, so any Spirit shield will be good enough), else a wand with lifetap charges (Dracul's is good enough for maintaining the curse, but not good enough for triggering the initial casting versus über Meph or Lilith).

[krischan]

(Requested by PM)

If you cannot teleport, you will have to fight e.g. the OKs far more often when looking for Über Izual which will lead to death rather often and there might also be a few nasty situations on the way to Lilith.

A fana-zealot doesn't need Fortitude at all. He already has more than 1000% off-weapon %ed from stats, auras and skills.

You need CoH for its res bonus in this case and Smoke has just 15% less which can be compensated with a single allres GC, so I don't think it's worth using runes which are worth more than 2 HRs instead of just Nef+Lum if you are on a tight budget.

That means, Enigma is the most useful armor for organs (and for Baal runs as well BTW) while it's Smoke in Tristram.

You are adding 125% res with Smoke and five allres GCs. The latter is just a matter of filling up the inventory space which is normally reserved for loot (you won't pick up anything during the fight anyway) and replacing the cube and the tomes (you need neither in UT and TP scrolls don't work in there BTW) and another 3x1 space in there, e.g. your Gheed's GC.

Metalgrid just adds res (which you will have enough of with extra charms and Smoke) while its +ar is useless when smiting and not needed while zealing the minions and defense is not important as well, as your protection is 75% blocking.

I recommend my own build, but you can probably replace a HoZ with a Stormshield to save a few resources - a zealot doesn't need +skills that much. Grief is extremely useful because its +dmg adds to smite damage, mainly for more leech from lifetap while smiting, but you can as well go for something with less damage, but more CB, so you can replace Guillaume's withe.g. Andariel's Visage or Kira's-

BH+smite might work, but I haven't tried it. You will have to make a frw compromises on your gear and lose efficiency with BH because you need lifetap and CB. I think a zelaot will do better.

[GoldenBird]

Summon necros can do it apparently (I haven't tried it myself yet but it seems like enough people have). The most expensive you'll have is probably enigma and mara's on them (and i guess infinity for best merc weapon). The rest isn't too expensive. I don't believe that you need a torch/anni for this.