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The relatives have left and I can finally start working on this one. :thumbup: This is the Fallen, and there isn't much reference material to work from. This is all I have:
http://www.diablowiki.net/images/3/3f/Mon-fallen-shaman-bashiok.gif
So... ya. It's mostly guesswork and improvisation of my own. Here is what I have so far:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/fallenWIP1.jpg
Oh, that's absolutely awesome. Well, obviously a start only, but that's really cool, it's so nice to see it starting to take shape!
There was a guy leaving a comment on the actual picture, so check that out. He basically said to make the horns bigger.
Indeed, make the horns a lot bigger, the throat a tad longer, and much wider, to the point where there is almost no "fold" at the back of his head. Probably make the chest muscles a little smaller, or less prominent, and same with the muscles in the back. Bit bigger tummy...
But save many of the models on the way, as I'd assume normal Fallens have smaller horns and more muscles!
Phat Wolf
07-02-2009, 01:51
This is really, really nice work...but I don't know if it's just me or something but I feel that it doesn't look mean enough. :p
+bigger horns
+slightly larger belly
+rounded pectorals, not so chiseled
+slightly larger and longer neck , less of a fold at back of head
+arms
+hands
+tweaked feet and added toenails
Don't mind the pronounced seam down the middle of him. That's just from the other half of him being cloned. While I build one half, the cloned half builds itself in realtime. When I'm done, I trash the clone and symmetrize/merge the "real" half, and the seam goes away.
http://www.diablowiki.net/images/3/3f/Mon-fallen-shaman-bashiok.gif
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/fallenWIP2.jpg (http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2512&size=big)
Holyknight3000
07-02-2009, 12:23
As always, kick *** work Delo, keep it up, You know i wonder how a fallen would look with a sadistic grin with teeth showing lol /ignore me on that one. keep it up man!
HK
That's ace man! The face and eyes look bloody brilliant. Love it!
I think you can increase throat size a tad more (but not making it longer).
Have you started on textures yet?
AkumaSlayer
10-02-2009, 06:08
Looks great so far! :grin: Love the claws in the last screenshot.
Indeed, it really starts to look like an actual fallen...
I made a Battle.net post about it, but I don't have the url here...
No, haven't started texturing yet. In fact, I haven't had a chance to work on any of it since that last screenshot was posted. A buddy and I recently got back into playing Diablo 2, and well... there goes all my time! hahaha Otherwise it would have been done by now. Things yet to do are all the props and clothing, textures, and rigging.
Oh, well, that's what happens =)
The important thing in life is to have fun, so I can't really argue with you ;)
Great job, especially from a such small reference. I think it would look a lot better with hooves.
It's funny, I was thinking that too, along with the goat-style legs. But then it would be one of them Goatmen, and not a Fallen, which don't have hooves or the goat-style legs.
Head should be smaller.
Forehead should be smaller to match jaw size, oval shaped head instead of heart shaped.
Chest should be bigger.
Shoulder muscles bigger.
Base of neck bigger.
Upper back needs to be hunched more.
Lower back should be arced more, belly should stick out.
Thighs should protrude out from the sides of his hips (unless that's part of his gear).
Fallen are demons that are related to imps. All imps in Diablo 2 had tails, and almost all demons I can think of atm had tails as well. I think the model could use a short/thin tail, especially now that the new Fallen look so "gecko-like".
Great progress from the first model, beginning to shape up to look like the avatar.
Keep up the good work!
Great progress from the first model, beginning to shape up to look like the avatar.
Keep up the good work!
First look at what we got:
Fallen (D3)
Fallen (D2)
Fallen One (D1)
I'm not sure I agree completely =) And I guess you are trying to help, but you are coming through as a bit harsh on the guy =P
Head should be smaller - But not by much.
Forehead smaller, jaw size match, oval shaped - A little bit smaller, and little bit bigger jaws, possibly. They have changed the art style in D3 compared to previous games, where they had a real face. It's very hard to deduct .anything from that small Bashiok image...
Chest should be bigger - Disagree completely.
Shoulder muscles bigger - Yeah, a little, to give the right disfiguration.
Base of neck bigger - Yep, a little.
Upper back needs to be hunched more - Not sure... Don't think so. It's more posing anyway.
Lower back should be arced more, belly should stick out - Also posing.
Thighs protrude from the sides of his hips - Don't understand...
Fallen related to imps. D2 imps had tails - Again, I think he's trying to make a model out of the one Fallen source we have, not re-designing it... No Fallen has ever had a tail.
Writing this, I noticed when looking at it in a larger pic that the ears are frickin massively long and thin! Check it out on the actual page (Fallen), as I can't use img tags here to stretch it.
ThulRasha
12-02-2009, 14:06
+bigger horns
+slightly larger belly
+rounded pectorals, not so chiseled
+slightly larger and longer neck , less of a fold at back of head
+arms
+hands
+tweaked feet and added toenails
Don't mind the pronounced seam down the middle of him. That's just from the other half of him being cloned. While I build one half, the cloned half builds itself in realtime. When I'm done, I trash the clone and symmetrize/merge the "real" half, and the seam goes away.
http://www.diablowiki.net/images/3/3f/Mon-fallen-shaman-bashiok.gif
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/fallenWIP2.jpg (http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2512&size=big)
Great work already.
From the little animated gif, I would say that his lower neck should be a bit wider, bit more muscled. In the animated gif, it seems to flow into his shoulders.
The fallen ones in D2 had really small legs compared to their upper body, perhaps you can do something with that.
It's hard to see, but on some frames in the animated gif you can see the fallens hips. They seem to be quite wide, maybe the legs should be a bit more attached to the sides of his body and not at the bottom like a human has.
Perhaps changing this will make it look less like an altered human body and more like a humanoid monster.
Keep up the good work!
And here I thought this was going to be a simple project. hahah!! It's great that so many of you are helping me get it as close as possible to the avatar. I've read everything posted (several times), and I agree with a lot of it, not sure about the rest. But then, my opinion is no better than anyone else's, being based on what little there is to reference.
Vadoff, I know where you're coming from with the oval head. The avatar is indeed a bit rounder than mine. But I was thinking, this avatar is from an in-game model, and we all know in-game art assets are very low resolution. That's why my head has a bit more of a shape to it rather than a generic oval. Since we have no hand-drawn art to reference, it's just a guesstimate on my part as to how the head really looks. The protruding thighs we are seeing, I believe that is his gear. Perhaps a couple skulls attached to his belt? Either way, I know what you're talking about, and I chose to go with the "that is his gear" guesstimate. I actually did add a small tail, but removed it because I didn't know if previous Fallen had one. Luckily, Leord confirmed that in his recent post (no tail).
Leord is right about the bent back and his hunch. That kind of stuff is done with posing the model after I get the bones rigged. This D3 version isn't that hunched up, so I'm confident that posing will provide enough hunching. Now if I was doing an old D2 style Fallen, I'd definitely have to model that in because they are really hunched over.
There's one small wrench in the cogwheel, based on the D1 Fallen that Leord posted. It appears the D1 Fallen (http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Fallen%20One) has 3 toes on his feet. I have 5. Is it time to remove some toes?
Keep the comments coming as I post more, it is *greatly* appreciated.
AkumaSlayer
13-02-2009, 10:25
It definitely looks like the D1 fallen has 3 toes...
http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/images/7/78/D1-mon-fallen-ones.jpg
It's too hard to tell how many toes the D2 fallen has, if any.. at a glance I would guess 5.
http://battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/animations/bestiary/act1/fallen.gif
It's up to you if you want to change it, but I don't think it will be very noticeable in the final render how many toes it has. I guess this also raises the question of how many fingers it has, or claws. I think all animals have the same number on each limb if it's any help.
I'm going to get a few more opinions on the toe issue before doing surgery on him. :crazyeyes:
Biggest change here is the new necklace. I call it the Sun Claw Amulet of Anxiety.
Several tweaks:
+tweaked forehead
+beefed up deltoids a bit
+wider, muscular neck
+longer, pointier ears
+tweaked the pectorals (...again...)
I'll continue doing his clothing and props, and work in the body tweaks as suggestions come in.
I rendered more angles this time so you can see better.
http://www.diablowiki.net/images/3/3f/Mon-fallen-shaman-bashiok.gif
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/fallenWIP3.jpg
AkumaSlayer
13-02-2009, 12:31
Looks really cool, one note is that it looks more like an animal than a demon, but I think the fallen are in the animal category anyway so it's good. :grin: Incredible detail on the face.
"Sun Claw Amulet of Anxiety" .. was it difficult to make? I think it turned out quite good. Pretty creative for something original. One minor thing is the materials you used, are you going to keep them for the final render? I mean they look ok from a distance but up close they look like.. "plastic" I guess.
Holyknight3000
13-02-2009, 15:11
Ah, my guess is he hasn't put textures on anything yet, you guys should know how crazy the detail will get when he does!
AkumaSlayer
13-02-2009, 16:34
That's what I'm assuming, placeholders just to show the colors he wants to use. Nice color scheme btw. It should contrast well to his red skin.
I guess it shows that I wasn't playing Diablo II for some time, because I had no idea that's who you were making. Obviously keep it as original as possible, and that medallion looks freaking amazing.
Nice! Really great to see someone putting their time and effort into something like this is, saw that Durance of pain that you did earlier and I was quite blown away coz the quality and details are so incredible that I first thought it was blizz-authentic material o_O
Just stopping by and giving props to the man who is behind it, keep it up :thumbup:
It's nice to see more people are finding the way to the fan art forums. These masterminds sure need more praise ;)
Glad you like everything, BarbaQ, thanks for the comment.
Does anyone have any more input on the toes? 3 or 5, that is the question. I'm leaning towards 3 solely based on the D1 Fallen picture. Thanks for the input!
korialstraz
20-02-2009, 13:17
Really nice work! It looks amazing.
On the toe topic, I think 3 toes would look cooler than 5. It would give less of a human look to it, and as you said it looks like the D1 has 3 toes.
+belt, buckle, and "flaps"
+earrings
+armlets
+pouch
+skull cups/containers
+ankle bracelet
+longer arms
My LCD monitor died several days ago, so I've been using a small, 15" backup LCD until I can procure a replacement next month. :weep: As you can see, most of his props/clothing are done. I'll be removing the toes next, whittling them down to 3. Someone wondered about the colors earlier. Nothing is textured yet. Those are just basic colors/shaders so I can easily differentiate the different parts from each other.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/fallenWIP4.jpg
AkumaSlayer
24-02-2009, 07:58
Looking really great! Also, good to see you have time for this after playing diablo. ;) Can't wait to see this guy in a scene.
Depending on how far away the shaman is from the camera you might want to enlarge some of his props (earrings, jewellery etc.) For the weapons I recommend making a staff (like in the avatar). You could also make some swords, shields and spears for his army of fallen. ;) I figure it shouldn't be too difficult to convert him into a fallen by changing his props and weapons, and making the minions a bit smaller.. also perhaps removing the horns.. ok maybe it's not so simple. :p But it would look great in the scene.
Love it how the skull on his belt actually looks like a chipped skull from D2. :grin: As always, your attention to detail is perfect.
Wow, frickin ace. I think you can continue to add bits and bobs a long time, as they probably carry a sh!tload of stuff and mumbling "Calenzo"..
They just put up an ad on the Blizz site for an associate modeler. Seize the day!
AkumaSlayer
25-02-2009, 07:50
If you have time Delowyn, you should consider entering the Blizzard Theme Park competition :
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/win-beta-keys-blizzard-theme-park-contest/
http://www.blizzard.com/us/inblizz/contests/themepark/legal.html
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7753/themepark.jpg
You could use a lot of the models you've already made and feature them in the theme park somewhere... I think you have a good chance of winning. :grin:
Prizes include writing tablets, blizzard soundtracks and starcraft 2 beta keys.
+arm bands
+arm cuff
+feathers
+new feet
+string below knee
+2 new small pouches
+quill rat leg band
Going to make the staff, then start texturing this guy.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/fallenWIP5.jpg
Tragedian
02-03-2009, 08:57
I'm quite impressed. I assume you're using 3ds max?
I'm learning the program for my Animation degree, but it's a real pain. I'm more of an illustrator than a modeler.
I can't wait to see the finished product.
nEgativezEro
03-03-2009, 05:51
It may be the posture, but it seems almost too tall. In the game they've always appeared much more hunched over to me in game. I imagine that may change once you add the bones and do the rigging and such.
The modeling looks fantastic and all the little trinkets and items on him fit in so well. Looks like it's coming along great. Well done! :)
I'm quite impressed. I assume you're using 3ds max?
I'm using Softimage XSI.
Here's the staff, now I can start texturing.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/fallenWIP6.jpg
+materials/texturing on most of his trinkets and clothing
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/fallenWIP7.jpg
+materials/texturing on most of his trinkets and clothing
Wow, that is really nice. I'm one of those people who have a hard time seeing things without details. All my drawn sketches always gets lot of detail, as I can't stand them without it, but it's really cool to see the fallen starting to take shape!
I'll also give you better feedback when the skin texture is in place, but I kind of think the horns might be a little bit to "old"/crackled. I get the impression Fallen don't live very long, so even shamans "elders" are probably less than 20 or so...
Did you see someone's comment on the BlizzContest?
NioTumsSpik
09-03-2009, 14:26
That looks freakin awesome ^^
Well, when it rains, it pours. First my monitor died, now my secondary hard drive failed the other night. A new one is on order. My new monitor arrived on Monday, so I'm all set there, but I can't work on the project until the new drive comes in because it was my "art drive" that died and is getting replaced. I do routine backups, so I didn't lose anything. It's just a matter of waiting for the replacement from newegg and restoring everything. Both the monitor and drive were several years old (at least 5+), so it was just their time to go, unfortunate as it is. RIP.
Well, when it rains, it pours. First my monitor died, now my secondary hard drive failed the other night. A new one is on order. My new monitor arrived on Monday, so I'm all set there, but I can't work on the project until the new drive comes in because it was my "art drive" that died and is getting replaced. I do routine backups, so I didn't lose anything. It's just a matter of waiting for the replacement from newegg and restoring everything. Both the monitor and drive were several years old (at least 5+), so it was just their time to go, unfortunate as it is. RIP.
Ah, bloody hell =(
Well, at least you didn't lose anything!
FracturedFairy
12-03-2009, 13:56
What a fine fine job you do for us. Thank you:thanks:
Surprise update. The new drive doesn't arrive until Monday, but I couldn't just sit on the project and do nothing. I figured I can't work with the textures that are backed up (not without a lot of file redirecting), but I can create new ones. So I started work on the skin and finished the head, torso, and upper arms.
The textures that are missing are obvious in the render below. The system uses a default texture (the multicolored mess in the image) when it can't find the one specified. After I restore everything Monday, the proper textures will naturally come back.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/fallenWIP8.jpg
NioTumsSpik
14-03-2009, 12:47
Rainbows :D
Looks amazing, and I'm sure it will look superb once all the textures are in place.
Keep up the good work! :thumbup:
Agkistrodon
16-03-2009, 19:53
I've been watching this post silently for a while now, but I can't hold my tongue any longer. THE SKIN IS AWESOME! The skin is the best part so far (in my eyes), it's just superb.
Great work, man. This is truly awesome.
Haha! Keep this model, it's a Fallen Shaman Hippie! =D
Concert tickets tucked down his pants, and a bag full of weed or stronger stuff, lol!
First, thank you, everyone, for all the praise!
Alright, no more rainbows or hippie concerts. I got the new drive installed and all my work restored, so no more missing textures. I finished the skin, and almost finished the staff. Note that the staff is not to scale relative to the Fallen. It's actually considerably taller than what is shown. Leord, I fixed the horns so they no longer look ancient. haha
Click for a larger view below:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/medium/fallenWIP9-1.jpg (http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2622&size=big&cat=613)
Click for a larger view below:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/medium/fallenWIP9-2.jpg (http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2623&size=big&cat=613)
First, thank you, everyone, for all the praise!
Alright, no more rainbows or hippie concerts. I got the new drive installed and all my work restored, so no more missing textures. I finished the skin, and almost finished the staff. Note that the staff is not to scale relative to the Fallen. It's actually considerably taller than what is shown. Leord, I fixed the horns so they no longer look ancient. haha
Wow! just awesome. I am mostly impressed by the skin. It got a very "real" quality to it!
One detail though. I see you've taken inspiration from animal skin colour, but I should probably point out that the back side usually retains similar colour to the rest of the body, while throat, tummy, groin get some sort of lighter colour.
So, basically, make his bum red =D
And do make sure it has that speckly quality you have on the rest of the creature! The tummy and throat colouration is very very good btw.
Another minuscule detail is the tattoos. Try to diffuse the edges of them, and making them a hint of blue (barely noticeable is the aim) if you ever plan to show close-ups of him. They look like textures more than tattoos at the moment.
Quite an amazing trip so far! =D
Now tweak this a bit to make a female version, in a fur bikini. You could probably sell copies of that one on ebay. never underestimate the weirdness of internet fetishes.
Excellent suggestions on the tweaking of the body coloring and tattoos. I implemented the changes and it looks much better.
Holyknight3000
20-03-2009, 01:17
Delo, awesome work. keep it up, cant wait for the final version here!
Looks amazing, it's really come a long way since the beginning.
Btw, excellent decision to use 3 toes insetad of 5, as well as the 4 fingers. From these models, you can see that virtually every demon in Diablo 2 shared those traits: http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Category:D2_Monster_Images
Can't wait till the final version is complete.
I think you should definitely send it in to Blizzard's fanart section once you're done.
He's finished! I just got him rigged up. I put him in a pose to try him out, and I'm happy with it. Thank you everyone for your suggestions through the whole process. It really helped out a lot.
http://www.diablowiki.net/images/3/3f/Mon-fallen-shaman-bashiok.gif
Click for larger view:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/613/medium/fallenFinal.jpg (http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2630&size=big&cat=613)
NotAgain
22-03-2009, 21:27
Excellent work. :thumbup:
Mizantrop
22-03-2009, 23:23
Masterfully done!
I am sure Bashiok would love to see this one. Perhaps you should post it on the official forums as well?
Thank you! Yes, I did post it on the Blizzard forum. Maybe Bashiok will see it.
Blizzard Forum post (http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=15864848453&sid=3000)
I'll help ya bump that one! It deserves it!
As for our forum, I'd prefer if you used the 600px wide pic and linked to the page of the larger pic. Both so people can comment there, but also, becuase some people use smaller screens or browser windows, and it kinda wrecks the forum view if larger than 600px (medium view size in the gallery).
Mizantrop
23-03-2009, 11:53
I hope he'll see this, eventhough he said he won't read threads that have his name in them.
Well, he has on several occasions, and in this case it's more of a tribute than wanting any replies!
Well my day has been made, and I can sleep peacefully tonight, for Bashiok has seen the picture and replied. Check out the last post on page 1 of my Blizzard forum thread (http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=15864848453&sid=3000). Mission Complete! I never expected a reply from him, what a bonus. My face looks like my pirate avatar picture here. <astonished> haha
AkumaSlayer
24-03-2009, 06:57
ummmmmmmm ...
Wow! Just read through this whole thing.. and Delowyn it's an amazing outcome + the fact that you get suggestions from a lot of people here just shows creative genius!
Thank you. I owe many thanks to all the people that have been replying with suggestions and encouragement here. It certainly makes me want to do more of these. Speaking of which, I'll be starting my next project very soon.
Loved diablo 1, loved diablo 2,and i will love diablo 3 anything u do guys!!
anything... it will be a great work and u can be sure that i will buy it .
I am with oner, and respect , if i seee 1 new creation of diablo 3 i get happy and happyer becouse i know that every monster u make will take me close to the game !!
Thx for the work ( i can t w8 here in hungary ....)
Bye
Thank you. I owe many thanks to all the people that have been replying with suggestions and encouragement here. It certainly makes me want to do more of these. Speaking of which, I'll be starting my next project very soon.
KICKASS! Cant wait to see whats coming up next, damn this one looks nice little sport :thumbup:
:congrats: for finishing the work with Shaman
Your work is awesome Del, and I'm really glad I made you do specifically a Fallen. Very cool as well, since this is the best representation of a fallen we have! You should upload that image to the wiki and add to the fallen shaman image gallery!
Also, you could strip him of all clothes and stuff give him a scimitar and a shield, and you have a regular Fallen! =D
DefiledVisions
03-05-2009, 18:43
Really impressive outcome there! damn nice work!
now.. what's your next project?
a maliciously sexy dark spearwoman? ;)
xtravaller
05-05-2009, 21:47
Nice work, really fits within the game's universe.
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