An idea, wizendraw wielding orb sorc

[fredsta54]

before you tell me thats a nooby idea, let me tell you some things.

1st off, staff sorcs are more sexy than shard/shield sorcs and with bo (in sc cs runs) can survive while dealing more damage

i only play hc, but, if i played sc and made a blizz sorc...

i would use a +2 sorc 20 fcr +3 blizz staff with fr lr over shard/30/20/pris bone any day

unfortunately in classic you cant get + orb on staff :/

i wouldnt use wizendraw on a blizz sorc as id prefer 20 fcr, resists, and a whopping +5 to blizz.

on a staff wielding orb sorc you will get +2 to orb 20 fcr and resists. +2 will up your orbs damage a little and lower enemies cold resists by 10%

now, on a perfect wizendraw you will lower enemies cold resists by a whopping 35%. that is basically adding +7 to cold mastery.

remember that cold mastery does way more damage against cold resistant monsters, in fact, if i played lod i would want -200% cold resists


i have a perfect wizendraw on hc, but its hc and i dont want to die. if only it was on sc :/

THE BOW SORC SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH


well thanks for reading, and post your comments ^^



Fred

[squiggle]

What's the max resistance and negative resistance a monster can get?

Too much negative res = Pointless in PvM?

BTW, Sup? :)

[fredsta54]

sup man max resist a monster can get is i think 200%

and max it can be lowered to is -100

so at lvl 17 cold mastery : u will be doing double cold dmg to monsteres with 0 cold resist. in hell many have high resistances to cold so the more cold mastery, the more dmg you do.



Fred

[TraderScope]

I remember reading from somewhere that in Classic you can't stack - res that much hmm..I might be wrong though.

[fredsta54]

hopefully you are wrong :D

[HegemonKhan]

do u know if the -% CR on wizendraw works for your casted cold spell skills or not ?

i've always presumed that:

1. the -% CR on wizendraw only activates/works on your wizendraw's arrow cold damage. not cast spells

2. and that, the cold mast -% CR only works/activates for casted spell skills' cold damage. not weapons

but, if i'm wrong, that be pretty cool if wizendraw could stack with cold mast on-for your cold spell skills' cold damage.

if not, there's always the paladin version of a cold sorc: holy freeze and wizendraw. it acts jsut like a cold sorc and her cold mast.

[Akse]

Actually hell mephisto is one of the only ones that would benefit from really high -CR%

Doomknight have 20
Abyss knight have 40
Venom have 50

So -150 would be the max right? I think hell mephisto had 90 resist or something so only there you would need higher. I guess against Venoms it could be somwhat usefull. But with static they go down fast.

Anyways in classic with an orb sorc.. i do way more damage with static than orb. Thats where fast cast really helps but I guess you can reach 70 even with staff (20,magefist20,3x fast cast rings) but here you lose sojs +2 so the staff is worthless :)

With orb sorc you have lots of points so 15-20 points in static is no problem at all.. and I always put that in classic.. that tweaking style is just printed in my mind so badly(from pre-lod days). It uses less mana so it is more efficient. One orb is around 35-40 mana(pre-lod it was ~60) depending on skill static is 9 so you can use static like 5 times to get 1 mana cost of Orb and the monsters are roughly at half hp wth 5 statics. Then you just throw a few orbs to finish them off.

With my current sorc I made it like oldschool again.. wand + WoE.. i just like the looks and I have imba wand and I don't need to invest any dex. :)

[fredsta54]

i know for a fact that wizendraw does add to cold mastery, just like in lod when you use facets

@aske: yes but the thing is, in hell chaos you dont kill the normal monsters , you kill the uniques and boss seals, when cold enchanted the whole pack gainss extra cold resistances.




Fred

[WarlockCC]

I wonder if Wiz + cold mastery can break immunity. Mind giving that a test, Fredsta ? That'd be quite interesting to know.
On it's own I know cold mastery can't break it even if you have -150 res cold mastery and the monster only has 105% cold res.

[fredsta54]

it works the same as with facets in lod, so no it cant break immunitys.



Fred

[Akse]

@aske: yes but the thing is,in hell chaos you dont kill the normal monsters , you kill the uniques and boss seals, when cold enchanted the whole pack gainss extra cold resistances.


I kill normal monsters in hell cs. It's just a stupid 1.10 giving too much exp from bosses that makes everyone skip all the normal monsters.. stupid rushing! My goal is to clear CS then I kill them all.. well except the cold immunes if I'm an orb sorc.

It's just retarded that people who are like 75 level in hell cs thinks that only way to do it is killing only the seal bosses when they would get kickass exp for full clear.

[HegemonKhan]

too many noobs n jerks:

noobs don't know what to kill at their clvl for max exp-lvling

jerks are clvl ~90 who only do hell diablo for their own selfish exp-lvling

[Lorg]

jerks are clvl ~90 who only do hell diablo for their own selfish exp-lvling

Those are also noobs, as they should kill boss packs until 92 for faster exp aswell :coffee:

[rynke]

Those are also noobs, as they should kill boss packs until 92 for faster exp aswell :coffee:

some of them actually do :thumbup:

[Zelator]

some of them actually do :thumbup:

Not you LamerPala ;)

[Akse]

I was at NM with my sorc one day and dude asked me if I could do cs with him.. I was 48 and he was 42.. I was like "mm why? outer steppes and plains are just as good exp at this level and a lot easier with the gear I have"

Many people nowadays only now 2 things in this game.. cs run and cow run and in expansion baal run. I saw one guy getting boosted to hell cs runs at level 32 or something.. while I ran trough all the quests from act1-act4.. later that day I saw him again he was 38 I was 45. Running trough the areas and killing all the bosses gives insane exp.

[HegemonKhan]

just to repeat the key statement of akse in my own words:

special monsters (champions, uniques, superuniques non act bosses, superuniques act bosses) is THEE way to get exp. ignore white named monsters and just kill all the special monsters u can find. NEVER EVER NEVER passby a special monster. "gotta kill them (special monsters) all!!!!"

of course proper match up of clvl and mlvl, is required too.
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*kill every special monster u come across and be in the proper area in relation to your clvl and the mlvls is the secret to massive exp*

[Still-Xey-Lover]

no point, cold mastery lowers it enough, better off with shard and a res/block shield tbh.

[HegemonKhan]

i've been thinking aobut this for awhile....

wouldn't a staff (+2 sorc) > wizendraw

i would think that if u had a +2 sorc staff, that it would raise your cold mast high enough to gain more than the -33% CR that wizendraw gives or at least maybe jsut a little under the wizendraw's -33% CR.

so a staff is probably completely better than wizendraw.

wizendraw: gives u -33% CR

(godly) staff: gives u +2 sorc, +3 sorc skill, +3 sorc skill, +3 sorc skill, 20% FCR, resists, etc mods and probably gives u more -% CR than wizendraw does due to raising cold mast or at least maybe jsut a little under the wizendraw's -33% CR.

it's apparent that a staff is completely better. no reason for an inferior wizendraw.

[Zelator]

That kinda staff can't drop though. Maybe a 2 sorc, 3 CM.

[fredsta54]

for a blizz sorc yes it owns wiezendraw as yo ucan +5 to blizz fcr and resists

on an orb sorc your staff will only give you +2 skills, so a little bit more orb damamge and -10% enemies resists, perfect wizendraw it gives you -35% enemies resists meaninng its like +7 to cold mastery



Fred

[Fists of War]

for a blizz sorc yes it owns wiezendraw as yo ucan +5 to blizz fcr and resists

on an orb sorc your staff will only give you +2 skills, so a little bit more orb damamge and -10% enemies resists, perfect wizendraw it gives you -35% enemies resists meaninng its like +7 to cold mastery



Fred
The only reason I can see this being good PvM wise is saving skillpoints from cold mastery and using them somewhere else. But then again, orb sorcs aren't exactly in need of skill points that much.

[HegemonKhan]

i still have to say that *I WOULD* prefer the:

1. all the mods that "can" be on a staff > the -25% CR that u get from wizendraw vs the +2 sorc staff

2. shard + shield > the -25% CR that u get from wizendraw

to me either of these choices and what they bring with them outweigh having -25% CR more from using wizendraw
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it is still a very nice thread, we learned that for *pure -% CR*, a wizendraw is definately better than a staff for using froz orb, and maybe better than a staff for bliz too.

good thread, but i'll still use my (godly staff...if i had one) staff or shard + shield instead of wizendraw :D