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well, I been building my Fury wereworlf and kinda need advice on what weapon to use, as I havent played d2 since the patch that came out with the expansion. So starting again on L.
Well I was thinking of using Last wish on a Giant thresher or Glorious axe, the axe for the demon damage ofcourse.
That would be my might aura.
Pide polearm for my merc, concentration aura. and Holyfreeze as the aura for merc.
My biggest concern is that my attackspeed might be quite poor for a char that needs lifeleech to survive, and with no resist gear that might be a porblem too.
Or I was thinking of using Lastwish on a phase blade, it might be 1/2 damage that of thresher or axe, but ill have some faster attackspeed to lifeleech at a more steady rate or able to leech my way out of say getting hit by couple of stunning monsters. Also thinking of using an dream runeword shield as the confuse would help alot when getting swarmed. But people have been telling me to use stormshield as it seems to be the more popular choice.
My question is with all the auras and everything added together, will i really need to use a giant thresher to kill the normal mobs decently fast enough? Or is a one handed weapon + shield good enough for damage or will I abosolutely need it to keep me alive.
Or is there an better setup that I can use.
An upped shaeled ribcracker is a great pvm fury weapon. Fast attack speed, incredible damage, defense bonus, and a whole bunch of other great mods. It takes care of the mobs that you are worrying about quick. It's also really cheap.
What gear are you using that you have no resists?
What dose "upped" mean?
I guess rib cracker has better damage then Last wish thresher because it attacks faster. Dose that mean I should use an might aura merc? What about mob control? I use to summon my bear in middle of mobs, with 3k hp, it still dies way too fast.
As for resist, right now I am not using any of my ideal gear for my Fury druid, But where would the resist come from?
xpumafangx
14-01-2009, 04:07
Everett I am sorry to inform you of this but you made a mistake. Upped shealed ribcracker is the BEST pvm weapon out there hands down... Not just a great weapon. Plz do not make that mistake again. Or I will have to call the dork squad on you.
Upped means to basicly up grade a weapon to a elite. Using a cube forumla. Since you are on ladder this will be easy for you.
Ribcracker
Quarterstaff (54-62) - (143-169) Dmg
130 Durability
25 Str Required
Item Level: 39
Clvl Req: 31 +200-300% Enhanced Damage
Adds 30-65 damage
50% Increased Attack Speed
50% Chance of Crushing Blow
+15 to Dexterity
+100 Defense
+100% Enhanced Defense
50% Faster Hit Recovery
+100 Increased Durability Range: 2
Dmg Bonus: 100 Str
Weapon Speed: 0
Swing Speed:
Sorc: Fast
1 Lum Rune + 1 Pul Rune + 1 Perfect Emerald + Exceptional Unique Weapon --> Elite Version of Weapon
* v1.10 and later only.
* Ladder characters and single player characters only.
* This recipe upgrades the item type of the weapon without changing the stats, and is useful to increase the weapon's damage.
* Ethereal items, as well as socketed items can be upgraded without changing their nature.
* Level requirements, as well as strength and dexterity requirements, will increase corresponding to the elite version of the item.
A few of the vets in here debated the snot out of this subject a long time ago. I was very confused at first about the topic. Because I was on the side that a ebotd or a greif weapon would have been the best. But no The resson why Upped shealed ribcracker is the best pvm weapon out there. Is because of its high attack speed, fare amount of damage, low stats needed, and its high crushing blow. Infact the other 2 weapons where none other then the ik mual with 2 sheals, and a dam good windhammer with a sheal. Then add in the fact that preatty much all the monsters in hell have a unbeliveable amount of hit points. Then you get the picture. At least you now know that the best weapon pvm wise for a werewolf is extremely cheap! Those other weapons your talking about. We wouldn't use because none of them have a 5fps fury attack speed or faster.
For resists get a treachery armor. It is a runeword cheap and easy to make. If you go and look it up the time with the resists take effect is when the skill fade takes effect. So you might need to do some digging up on the subject. But for a good note. You get this sexy ghost werewolf look to boot.
Ok Im off to chat with my fellow wolves.
Everett I am sorry to inform you of this but you made a mistake. Upped shealed ribcracker is the BEST pvm weapon out there hands down... Not just a great weapon. Plz do not make that mistake again. Or I will have to call the dork squad on you.
yes masta, no bacon on the salad, no bacon on the salad masta. i'll be goin' on back to the cotton fields now...
Ahh lvl 15 fade, dint notice that the first time reading trough armor, so I guess the way that werewolf should go about killing things is not just pure damage, but fast attack speed with crushing blow?
In hell you want a nice balance of damage, speed, and crushing blow due to the huge increase in difficulty from normal/nightmare where you could hit things with a bag of marshmallows and they die. Ribcracker just happens to have all three criteria, so as pumafang pointed out, there isn't really any other options when it comes to the weapon.
TheDarkSide
14-01-2009, 10:17
Upped Ribby Ftw ..
I completed my first Uber run today using this weapon ...
There is no other for a PvM 2 handed Wolf Imo ..
:thumbsup:
There is no other for a PvM 2 handed Wolf Imo ..
:thumbsup:
Just for Pvm?
IK Crusher
Damage: 231 To 318 (274.5 Avg)
Required Level: 76
Required Strength: 225
Base Weapon Speed: [10]
+200% Enhanced Damage
+200% Damage To Demons
+250% Damage To Undead
40% Increased Attack Speed
Indestructible
35-40% Chance Of Crushing Blow (varies)
Socketed (2)
Adds 211-397 Fire Damage (2 items)
Adds 7-477 Lightning Damage (3 Items)
Adds 127-364 Cold Damage, 6 sec. Duration (Normal) (4 Items)
+204 Poison Damage Over 6 Seconds (5 Items)
Jalals & IK set :yes:. Can't think of anything cheaper and all around more effective; it literally covers everything from bp's, leech, PI's, resist, etc. (except DR :\)
Personally i very much like the windhammer. I just love that weapon. :)
Verashiden
14-01-2009, 21:38
IK is more suited for a Bear than a Wolf IMO. Though it is damn sexy.
IK is more suited for a Bear than a Wolf IMO. Though it is damn sexy.
that makes no sense though, 'cause wolves rock 2-handed far better than Bears can 'cause of Fury & feral rage's leech ability. I've used IK wolf quite a while ago, it works amazing :thumbup:
Like.. even at 3k life on my Titan Bear I felt very vulnerable without a shield and very little dr, especially from any ranged. I just think your opinion is backwards and your entire life is backwards... that's all I'm really saying :scratchchin:
IK is more suited for a Bear than a Wolf IMO. Though it is damn sexy.
Backwards
IK is less suited for a Werewolf then a Bear IYO. Though is damn Verashiden.
TheDarkSide
15-01-2009, 10:08
I prefer the Upped Ribby for one reason only .. Low reqs = massive life pool ..
My current wolf has almost 6k life at level 80 with only a couple 30 + life gc charms in stash . I leave my Dex at base and use Ar charms to make that up and still have over 12k ar to hit ..
With the High STR reqs on the Ik items I find it hard to get over 4k life .. But to each his own , I guess the Ik setup is a viable option ..
:thumbup:
Nobody mentioned Tomb Reaver yet? I like it on of my fury druids, because it offers Speed, decent damage, resists and little mf. Everything I like having in PvM, but I admit that Ribby is the best weapon for druid in PvM. That's why, I have it in Cube all the time, so I can use it against Act Bosses, when I fight against them.
Verashiden
15-01-2009, 15:45
that makes no sense though, 'cause wolves rock 2-handed far better than Bears can 'cause of Fury & feral rage's leech ability. I've used IK wolf quite a while ago, it works amazing :thumbup:
Like.. even at 3k life on my Titan Bear I felt very vulnerable without a shield and very little dr, especially from any ranged. I just think your opinion is backwards and your entire life is backwards... that's all I'm really saying :scratchchin:
What? The Leech gets redundant after a certain point especially in hell when it's all skill Leech and Dracs that make a difference. Bears make better use of IK because they have different attack requirements and can't make some weapons work. Fury has faster follow up frames making some weapons just simply better.
Also, Bears also make use of OIAS unlike wolves, making IK gloves better for them in the long run.
The only real thing IK has over Ribby is the fact that it can also deal with immunes without a weapon switch. Whatever though, guess I'll just go back to my backward ways.
Fury can take big smashing 2-handers that are ususally slower and make them attack twice as fast hitting from all angles, while leeching your life back. Bears don't have that capability with 2-handers since they can't generally leech back; take a fireclaw bear or mauler they need a shield and shockwave for control.
Towndump is an exception 'cause its more of a summoner, it uses summons & merc to tank for control with some shockwave. Without it'd get ganked by ankle biters in many parts of the game. That's hardest part of being 2-hander with bear, your really vulnerable to weenie rushes and dolls.
Dracs is sorta an exception, I didn't mention it 'cause I was throwing out a cheap option that works.
10% LL/ML is helpful though. You dont have to worry about getting mana screwed, and if you Amn Shael your weap that's 17% leech + 50% or more Feral Rage that's great leech. Wolves get pretty bad vita returns anyways. You'd also get at least 65+ strenth just from your gear alone, not even factoring torches or annis. I stand by Wolves > Bears with IK, they make better use of damage, cb, and leech. If you had something already fairly fast like Azurewrath I'd prolly argue Bears make better use of it, I dunno.
I win! Thread owned. lol jk
NoisemakerArrow
15-01-2009, 21:12
IK gives 25% DR.
20%... on belt. yea, good catch forgot bout that >.<
renegademaster
16-01-2009, 12:34
Has anyone tried Stormlash? Its very popular with the Kicksins - the interesting stats are
Base Speed -10
+30% Increased Attack Speed
+33% Chance of Crushing Blow
20% Chance To Cast Level 18 Tornado On Striking
15% Chance To Cast Level 10 Static Field On Striking
The Static field kicks in taking monster down to 25% life!
Could be socketed with Shael for more IAS or Ber for more Crushing Blow.
Stormlash is a good option and there is a specific build around it to synergize the Tornado.
The Static field kicks in taking monster down to 25% life!
Not quite. Static removes 25% of current health, and it will not take a monster below 33% health in Nightmare and 50% in Hell.
So how much would the ribcracker be worth, normal and upped +shaled
Verashiden
18-01-2009, 10:01
Not quite. Static removes 25% of current health, and it will not take a monster below 33% health in Nightmare and 50% in Hell.
You forgot to mention it's effected by lightning resist and does nothing to LIs.
Linnis- Ladder or non. Ladder it'll be pgems for an average one then just get the runes to up it. NL is a different story since you can't up items on NL. The hardest points is finding someone who even has an upped Ribby for trade.
well on ladder... how many pgems is one worth?
Ribcracker is a no brainer, but what happened to ebotd GPA/ GA, More top end dmg and leech.
I suppose that those are both okay choices from a damage point of view, but why would you waste the runes/wealth to acquire one when you could use an upped ribby? It's so much cheaper and has other good pvm mods as well.
I agree upped ribby is on the top of the list on any wolf build. I didnt see thread named "best" werewolf pvm weapon...
If yer new to the wolf, in which our friend sounds like he is... then grab that ribby and dont look back!
Bladewind
30-01-2009, 13:58
Interesting idea. I already gotten the IK boots, belt and Gloves. I guess the Maul isn't far off but the armor hmm..
Also for a source of LT, will using an LT dagger be sufficient ? Granted it cost me like 1k gold per cast (hella cheap !), but I don't mind really as I have no spare dracs, yet.
yes masta, no bacon on the salad, no bacon on the salad masta. i'll be goin' on back to the cotton fields now...
HAHHAAHAaaaaaaAA... I can't believe I missed that ROFLness. nice, dude.. way to go there ;P
Ribcracker is a no brainer, but what happened to ebotd GPA/ GA, More top end dmg and leech.
no kidding lol... wut happened to every weapon that "isn't" a Ribby >.<
Verashiden
31-01-2009, 09:37
They aren't worth pgems ;).
Of course you can use Tomby/EBotD if you want the damage.
Ribcracker is the best budget fury weapon easily. But it really doesn't compare to an ethy tombreaver. 4 frames range 4 huge damage, huge resists, huge magic find. I use it with guillame's face when entering ubertrist. My upp'd ribby/jalal's friends can't keep up.
Liquid_Evil
08-02-2009, 00:39
I'd really think the crushing blow on Ribby would outweigh the increased damage of the Tomby in ubertrist. Do you have other crushing blow in your gear setup besides GFace to even it out?
gores (thinking about goblins just for trist). and yes it tears mephisto down so fast (4fpa), faster proc's of lifetap, faster crushing blows, ect. It's so good I am considering going with a non-eth 3s tombreaver and putting a ber in it, just for uber trist (but then again I hate when weapon breaks in there).
Here is a question for all of you uber tristing fury druids.
-Do you find yourself switching to feral rage once you get mana-depleted and surrounded by ghosts? I find that I do that since I don't like to waste my attacks on the surrounding minions. Just curious as to what other people do.
SPIDERfrank
08-02-2009, 20:32
gores (thinking about goblins just for trist). and yes it tears mephisto down so fast (4fpa), faster proc's of lifetap, faster crushing blows, ect. It's so good I am considering going with a non-eth 3s tombreaver and putting a ber in it, just for uber trist (but then again I hate when weapon breaks in there).
Here is a question for all of you uber tristing fury druids.
-Do you find yourself switching to feral rage once you get mana-depleted and surrounded by ghosts? I find that I do that since I don't like to waste my attacks on the surrounding minions. Just curious as to what other people do.
I keep Feral on left click always and Fury on right click.
So I'm just getting back into D2 now but I've been refreshing my characters ever since I started playing in 2002 but I need a quick reminder....
Does the Ribcracker need to be shaeled to reach a bp? I think I remember I had a rare jewel that was like 30something% ed with 15%ias and +something small to fire damage (I think) and put it in an upped Ribcracker. Does the 15% still get it to it's bp?
Verashiden
08-02-2009, 22:01
Yes, a xx/15 Jewel will hit the next BP
SPIDERfrank
08-02-2009, 23:15
ok thanks Verashiden!
Lyxtwing
09-02-2009, 03:53
Maybe I am doing something wrong on the calculator, but at 50% and 70% the ribcracker has the same 5fpa regardless of WW level over 20. Is there something I am missing in terms of getting to another break point (unless the calculations have changed since the calculator was last updated)?
Liquid_Evil
09-02-2009, 05:17
When it gets upgraded to a Stalagmite, its base speed decreases. Could that be what you're missing?
Lyxtwing
09-02-2009, 07:22
Unless I am reading it wrong, a Stalagmite has a base speed of +10, where the original speed is 0 meaning it actually gets slower (point of reference being a repeating crossbow has a base speed of -40).
A quarterstaff gets 5 fpa on 50% and 70%. A stalagmite gets 6 fpa on 50% ias and 5 fpa with a minimum of 55% IAS.
(assuming level 20 werewolf)
Lyxtwing
09-02-2009, 17:08
Ah, I see now. On a side note, it would seem that with the staff at 70% (or 65% for those using a 15% jewel), you only need level 2 Werewolf to hit the final breakpoint, meaning more points simply give you more AR. If that's the case, would it be worth finding a different source of AR and having an extra 20 skills set aside for a different skill? Or are there none that would really be required? Though, werewolf will help with feral rage speed as well. Edit, just checked, feral rage will top out at 6fps regardless of werewolf level as well, so that doesn't matter much.
Verashiden
10-02-2009, 08:18
Depends on what you intend to do with the Wolf. Most Hybrid PvM builds only place 1 point into WW. For a pure Fury Wolf there's no where else to place them unless you want summons or FC.
Another nice thing about the Ribcracker is that if you have a regular ribcracker you can basically self-rush very easily from Level 51 to Level 56 when you can then upgrade it to get a Hell worthy weapon.
Lyxtwing
10-02-2009, 18:25
Question to do with that PFSS, what level does the Ribcracker's requirements go to once you up it?
Question to do with that PFSS, what level does the Ribcracker's requirements go to once you up it?
Level 56.
I made the mistake of upping it at Level 49 (stalagmite requirement level) then finding out that there is some funky stuff that happens when upping. Fortunately I had a spare :)
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Lyxtwing
11-02-2009, 17:37
Many thanks, my druid hit 31 last night and I put one of these on him. I have never seen Baal drop so fast to someone that level before. Highly recommend this weapon to anyone.
did you also shael it or something?
Does Upped Ribcracker works on Non-ladder?
I've been thinkin of making an Druid ;< It's a awesome weapon, Indeed
Verashiden
17-02-2009, 09:01
You can't upgrade on NL. You'll have to find someone with one to trade.
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