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antonus
29-12-2008, 22:44
Hi. i'm making my first barb and wan't to know some basics about the ww. My main purpose is PvM.
So, here are my few questins:

1. Can i reach ww breakpoint with grief phase blade in one hand and grief colossus blade in other. In other words - do the WIAS counts from main weapon or from all weapon.

2. Is there any difference between range 2 of phase blade and 3 range 3 of zweihander. I mean like mana/life steal etc.

3. What it'd be like wielding both grief phase blade/zwei?

4. If chosing one of them - whether pb or zwei, what would be better for stats? Will dexterity for pb add big enough to AR(136 dex), or just stay at 94 dex for zwei, but boost strengh to 125?

5. last question on skills: i got maxed: ww, BO, shout, and sword mastery. It'll be ~20 free points - where should i invest them (except iron skin or nat. res)

This is my first barb, so any help would be appreciated)

sangfagel
30-12-2008, 10:53
1. Grief can roll 30-40 IAS. PB has base weapon speed of -30. CB has base weapon speed of 5
*xpumafnx (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312805):
1 handed weapons all hit the last break point for whirlwind at -34.

2 handed swords being used as a 2 handed weapon hit the last breakpoint at -51. But when used as a 1 handed they hit at the same as a 1 handed weapon.

2. Mana/life steal depends on ph dmg, leach%, diff lvl (N-NM-H), and to what extent a specific monster is leachable (check AS for it). It doesnīt depends on weaponīs range. Zweihander is an exceptional sword and has lower wdmg than its elite version and even pb. It consequently gives less leach. I am not sure if I understand your question correctly though.

3. I canīt see any reason to use pb here. Afaik the game calulates your main hand weaponīs WIAS only and averages base weapon speed of two weapons in use. If you wield in main hand CB with 39 or 40 IAS roll, it should be enough to get last bp (5-39=-34) - doesnīt matter IAS on second CB. I can be wrong in this matter though and please, correct me if I am.

4. Dont count Dex as a source of AR. Itīs marginal. You must get AR from gear - skills.

5. It depends on your gear and play style. If You canīt find better use for these points you can allways put them in Find Item ;)

Seriously now: Look in Worcries tree and check what You missed/can use there. You should have 1 point in Berserk of course. This is a MUST against knights and ph immunes.

sevencreature
30-12-2008, 22:15
Regarding Grief - PB is safe bet, you can be sure that you will reach last bp with every roll. CB is rather a gamble.

Damage of base weapon doesn't matter so much for Grief.

rikstaker
31-12-2008, 02:25
If it is for pvm,why spend so much on dual griefs? A botd polearm(great poleaxe) or tombreaver is a better(cheaper) bet,but if you do want to go dual grief,dualwield grief zweihanders(base dmg doesnt matter for grief)-it reaches last ww breakpoint regardless of the roll.

1) When you dualwield,wias of both weapon counts,so inorder to acheieve a 2fpa ww,both weapons should hit the last ww breakpoint.

1)Range difference affects you,more range mean target is in range for longer duration,allowing more hits(difference shows in packs)

ironskin is thesafest bet for the leftover points for almost all barbs except conc,where bash offers a better incentive.