How do you calculate fc/rabies dmg with facets?

[Everett]

Hey guys, this is my first post. I'm a huge fan of the druid forum, been reading it for a couple of months before I tried to make my own account. Been reading a few of the guides after completing my fury wolf, and the fc/rabies and pure fc looked pretty awesome. But after reading both guides (both of which were very good) I realized that I had a question. Are these totals of like 12k to 20k fc with the facets or without? I was looking at a skill calc, and saw with all the gear that would like (hope) to have and a fully synergized fc, I would have about 16k to 18k. This is without fire facets, which I would try to put into the jewelers plate of the whale, and maybe in a few other items. So is there a formula or something that exists out there that I could calculate my fc damage with, or is it simple math? Thanks.

This is my first fc or rabies druid, so please forgive me if this is a well-known fact.

[superjayson]

for my guide thats with everything calculated with end game gear.

[Everett]

for my guide thats with everything calculated with end game gear.

I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. I guess my question is, is the fire damage from the facets visible? And is the damage done by all of your facets x% of your total fc damage? So if I had 10k fc dmg, with 20/20 in the armor, would that take 20 percent of 10k and add it on? And how does the -res work? Is it the same as the %dmg or does it work differently in terms of making your fc more effective? I tried the -res thread in the sorc forum, but it didn't really help. Sorry for all of the noob questions, I haven't really had to use facets with any of the characters that I've built. Btw great guide/site superjayson, incredibly informative and made me want to start a fc druid.

edit: just looking at your guide again, and I couldn't actually find what your final damage was with your primary/ideal setup. Was it in there or did I just miss it? also you mentioned trangs belt was only to be used in "certain duels." Is there a reason why it couldn't be your main belt? It looks pretty good with the +life and the cbf frees up a ring slot. i know that the crafted would be much better and dungos has the dr, but if you have enough from the stormshield why not use trangs? wow that was a lot of questions sorry about that.

[superjayson]

only the +% to fire damage will be visable on your screen. so your 10k fc damage would be multiplied by 10 percent if you were wearing that 20/20 armor.

-res works a bit differently. it doesnt add to your damage, just removes resistance from your enemies. so if your opponent has 75 fire res he has now 65 which in this case pretty much works like it does with +% to fire damage, only theres one catch, if your opponent has 75 fire res or higher or stacked resistance then that -10 fire res will do pretty much nothing.

final damage can be different depending on how you choose to set up your gear, thats why i offered a general range of what it will be. for me i think my damage is around 14-16k.

The only reason why trangs is good for some duels is cause a good crafted blood belt is a hundred times better, although its alot easier to get your hands on trangs. For me its mainly for the CNBF when im dueling high def chars cause i use full angelic's in those duels.

so yeah you could get away with using trangs belt, although you will want a pair of dungo's or a ber in your shield/helm to make up the DR loss for some duels. but as soon as you find a good blood belt with at least 24fhr/60+life/10ow and you'll find yourself never using trangs.

[Everett]

You said that it would be 10% damage and -res in my armor, but if I put 4 facets in that armor, wouldn't it be 20% damage and 20 - res (which is what I thought I was referring to with the 20/20 armor)? And in a crafted belt, I'm looking for a lot of fhr, life and ow for that to be my main belt? Thanks for all the help, I appreciate it.

[jakotaco]

Shouldn't fire facets be double applied for fire claws, like enchant, holy fire, holy shock and venom in melee? (making it +20%skill damage, +20%attack damage for a total of 1.2*1.2 = 1.44 times the normal damage)

[Everett]

I'm not sure about your question, but are you saying that with 4 fire facets that it's only 10% damage and -res? Or is it 20%? I was positive that it was 20% with 4 facets (5x4=20 unless my math is off), but then superjayson said 10%. Or maybe he was just using an example and I misunderstood him. Also, what do you think about using a good pair of crafted gloves? I know that superjayson mentioned them as an option in his guide, but are bloodfists and magefists the better way to go? Thanks.

[superjayson]

You said that it would be 10% damage and -res in my armor, but if I put 4 facets in that armor, wouldn't it be 20% damage and 20 - res (which is what I thought I was referring to with the 20/20 armor)? And in a crafted belt, I'm looking for a lot of fhr, life and ow for that to be my main belt? Thanks for all the help, I appreciate it.

yeah you're right, my sleep deprived brain miss-calculated.

yeah fhr/life/ow are the most important stats. especially fhr, the highest you can craft is one with 24fhr which will save you alot on hitting that 86 break point.

[Everett]

lol yeah i know what you mean about being sleep-deprived. Gotten like an average of 2 hours a night for school for the past week with all of the tests before the holiday break. Thanks for the input about the belt, I'll try to make one of those. Did you have an opinion on the crafted gloves? What mods would have to spawn on them for them to be better than the life/fhr of bloodfists and the damage from magefists? Also, I noticed that you primarily use stormshield. Would there ever be a time/duel where I wouldn't need stormshield, and a 4 facet shield would be better for the damage, or does my survival rate drop too low for that to be reasonable? Thanks.

[superjayson]

bloodfist are just way too good to pass up on 90% of the time. i wasted alot of resources on crafting gloves but i wasnt as lucky as i was with my belt (got what i wanted on first roll). ideally 10cb, as much life as possible and res at the very least.

id use a jmod/w 4 facets against any melee that didnt deal physical damage. against fc druids obviously. against casters if i choose not to use a two hander. and against fury druids who dont massively stack res or who i know cant tank more than 1 hit.

[Jary]

Jmod + Enigma. Best setup for Hammers and Bone Necros!!

The great thing too is you can go Magefists & Arachnid for quicker casting and teleporting if needed in that matchup.



I could never really find a use for monarch besides that.

The downside is when dueling every other character you're either short 1) resists, 2) DR, or 3) Speed (if substitute COH)... and FC & slow don't go well together :S