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Anyone made a titan barb? Care to share what kind of life you ended up with?
I'm planning to make a WW barb using a BotD GPA (just made one) and was thinking of Titan build. Thought it could be fun. This is 100% PvM.
Only thing I'm concerned of is that I might end up with too low life.
Planned gear:
BotD GPA
Arreat
Fortitude
String of ears
crafted cloves with CB, res, dex, ias
Gores
raven + rare ring with ll, ar, res, dex etc
Highlords
Whatever dmg or life charms I can get. Maybe a Torch.
I know with this gear I will kill fast. I'm just wondering how much life I should expect. :p
id say with bo 1.6kish? i know you should leach enugh to not think twice about hp tho
I did the same build, max damage and no life charms. I ended up with not a lot at all, over the 1k mark but I don't recall hitting the 2k mark.
Duelling was fun. ^^
Don't worry about life, you won't die because you leech an incredible amount. Draculs might be handy to have, but things usually die before the lifetap hits. Best defense is a strong offense ;)
KT
WW has no CtC so life tap from draculs cannot be casted..
IAS in useless on glowes - WW only weapon IAS, so craft with 10%CB are the best.
I see no source of ML in your build - do you consider Wilhelm's Pride instead of String?
ED from forti does not add too much damage (it add 300% of base weapon dmg, not *3 total damage). Better use CoH, ED vs demons and undead is more less similar but str bonus increase your dmg more then forti, unfortunatelly defence is lower. You can either consider duress - 15%CB and OW in total calculation may be better then ED from armor, cold damage slow monsters etc (I do not know - it is few hours with calculator) moreover duress is cheap ;)
My ML came from a dual leech ring, or some times a Manald.
And I would do Conc strikes to cast the Life tap, I wasn't ww-ing ALL the time. I wasn't into crafting at the time so didn't consider CBs, or CB at all due to the fact that things died before CB was necessary (even bosses took a large hit if I recall correctly). Str + LL from Draculs was rather useful I found. I used Forti myself, in Kraken Shell I think ^^ Style points!
KT
Yes style is important, especially when you make 87 barbs which is totally useless becayse previous 86 were quite good :)
I'm serious - I exchanged prebuff 3WC weapon because dagger and spear looks funny - now I have 2 swords ;)
To be honest I suggested CoH over forti because I do not like this armor. When this runeword was introduced I spent all my gems and runes to make it (do you remember how hard is collect 1 PG on the start of ladder ;) ). Then 300ED added only 600 damage instead of 2000 - I felt cheated - since then I hate this armor.
BTW I've seen calculation comparing high lvl fanatism vs decrep course. If you really want increase your dmg give The Reaper's Toll to your merc.
shuy you're forgetting BotD has mana leech. ;) Also I know only weapon speed helps with WW, but you might zerk something once in a while and 20ias helps getting to the 12fps breakpoint.
I'll have to think about the armour. I haven't owned a Fortitude this ladder yet so.
So around ~1k life, sounds a bit low, but in PvM you can gamble... I'll see what I do. :)
Cheers.
Oh you think it's worth socketing Arreat with a 40ed jewel?
Yes I forget - sorry.
Anyway 1K life is not enough IMO. If you are going stay in act 1 can be enough :)
I think that you need more life, because I tried to play zeal sorc. She had 1,3K life and damage higher then any barb (I think that you do not expect 6-45K damage). Ofc LL was crappy but even with EShield she was very "fragile".
In the middle of skeleton archers you can have no time to trigger life tap. With 1 K life you must avoid areas with dark souls, skeletons, undead stygians, ghosts... I think I missed few more. Presuming you should stay where fallen ones are, maybe you kill bosses fast, but you will not be able to go to them ;)
LT wand on switch after you Bo prebuff
Jimmah - Its not worth socketing the 40ed jewel, but I still did it anyway :) Extra damage means more damage! wugwugwugwugwug.
Shuy - Leap helps a lot, I think it was nearing 2k life but it was no way over 2k life. But yes, I leaped + howled occassionally, I only died to Maiden but I can't recall dying to the rangers.
I used a MF switch for horking, didn't use LT wand.
And for the record, I think I was nearring 20k damage, but that might be wrong. I'd have to ask Hyarmenion, he saw it and we duelled with our titan barbs regularly :P
KT
Master Zap
22-12-2008, 22:28
My titan Barb was just able to crack 1000 life on Hardcore. I stacked his pdr and he outtanks most 5K life cookie cutter builds. I went Berzerk on my barb
Before I did this, I took a Titan sorc thru the game on a similar setup. She only had 564 life.
Allpoints_Instr (http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Screenshot202.jpg)
Well to the nay-sayers. Allpoints Started her life out with a handme-down sig set that has been in the family for many years. Pumping Strength every level, Ive never had to worry about damage. Normal was was easy going except for diablo. That hose of death almost spelled deeds, but in the end my kung-fu was superior to his. Never discount static and massive maul to save the day.
level 15 I used a Ith'd 60's eth great maul
level 24 I went to bonesnap.
level 30-65 I up'd the bonesnap and it got me thru nightmare.
At level 65 I assembled a silence thundermaul
Once Nightmare hit, I had already equipped hefty pdr armor , so nothing but poison and a few le's were able to touch me with damage. Because I have such low life, anytime I get poisoned it almost instantly drains me out.
Chaos was a tricky affair with many merc revives. Name of the game was telestomp the ok's and walk the monsters back to I could bash em. Telestomp , 1 point in glacier spike and static ftw.
Ive just entered Hell and beat act1. Hell has proven substantially harder. I no longer have enough pdr to negate damage. Ive recently hit level 71 and dug out a Rare Bezerker Axe. It has 60ias (quickness mod +sheal) and Fools mod with huge AR. this allows me to ditch Angelics ammy and ring for another pdr ammy (24) and two Dwarfstar rings (80 life 30firesorb and 28mdr). I havent adventured with this setup yet, but it should keep me a bit safer.
Here's some pics
With my Blessed Aim merc
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Screenshot202.jpg
Everyone in channel has been so helpful They found my maul, chipped in some sols that's ive used on a couple pdr armors and Gave me this Ornate:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Game2008-03-1722-15-40-26.jpg
These Gloves are a real treat. 9 dex always helps, but the main appeal is the Inner sight charges. Ive used these fighting bosses. It reduces enemy's defense 115 , which increases my chance to hit greatly.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Game2008-03-1722-15-48-57.jpg
This Pdr hat has lived on several chars of mine. Nothing here but good ol'fashioned Damage reduction.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Game2008-03-1722-20-33-46.jpg
And here's the Silence Thunder Maul I'm using. The res are so important and ive found the massive mana leach I have helps me tank.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Game2008-03-1722-20-48-87.jpg
rest of my gear includes a 11% string of ears belt , Hotspurs boots. and Angelic ring and ammy. Eth gerke's shield with occy.
So I'll keep pushing on to see how far I get. I get alot of wtf in pub games when I join them. "Do you really have all your points in str" ... "yes" then I get "why would you want to do that? " :thumbsup:
Skillwise I'm
20 Warmth
20 firemastry
20 Tk
1 in all cold armors
working on maxing 20 ES . Casted at about 60% sorb.
Not sure where I'll put the rest of my points. Probably Lightmastry , Frozen armor or Firewall. (heck even frozen orb might work.
I did mess around with a kingslayer axe, the damage and ar was better. It also killed bosses much faster. The only problem was the lack or res, and Axes not taking advantage of all my str. The physical damage on both were about the same even though the ed% on silence was less. If I wasnt making a titan, then I think Kingslayer would be superior.
tome (http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/applause.gif)
Yes I forget - sorry.
Anyway 1K life is not enough IMO. If you are going stay in act 1 can be enough :)
I think that you need more life, because I tried to play zeal sorc. She had 1,3K life and damage higher then any barb (I think that you do not expect 6-45K damage). Ofc LL was crappy but even with EShield she was very "fragile".
In the middle of skeleton archers you can have no time to trigger life tap. With 1 K life you must avoid areas with dark souls, skeletons, undead stygians, ghosts... I think I missed few more. Presuming you should stay where fallen ones are, maybe you kill bosses fast, but you will not be able to go to them ;)
With my damage I would leech thousands of life per hit = full life on a hit. Not against skeletons though.
Still I have to think about it. If I chicken out I could put ~50-100 points in vitality.
Currently lvl 48, still in normal with full Hwani set. :D
Master Zap
22-12-2008, 23:02
With my damage I would leech thousands of life per hit = full life on a hit. Not against skeletons though.
Still I have to think about it. If I chicken out I could put ~50-100 points in vitality.
Currently lvl 48, still in normal with full Hwani set. :D
If you get a bunch of pdr on your barb he could have 100 life and stand next to a ik barb and "tank" him under the table with ease. Life , fhr, block and defense all aren't necessary if your making a good pdr barb.
putting stats anywhere else but str = failed titan. relegated to semi titan which is really like a "messed" up stated regular barb :crazyeyes:
You need to use a Circ of Life everlasting, secondary mods are a bonus.
Armor of Amicea with 4 holes or GBANE with sol rune
Gerke's shield
Life of everlasting Ammy
boots you need res, inferno strides, aldurs or hotspurs here
gloves , Loh are hard to beat
belt , tgods
ring 1ravenfrost 1 dwarf if you shop your armor, or 2 Nat peace rings if you go gbane
block? , why bother. you get hit, you take "no" damage. Not that points go in dex, but the extra pdr/mdr and res are handy.
FHR? who needs this. In order to go into faster hit recovery they need to hit you for 1/8th your life. Since your not taking damage, you dont go into fhr.
Life? who cares, you tank so hard nothing hurts you. When certain monster mods are present that overcome your pdr threshhold you take so little damage that its like you have a 6K life pool.
That 564 life sorc I posted on HC could stand next to ANY cookie cutter build and outlive them with ease. I mean just standing there taking hits :alright:
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Screenshot066.jpg
I could go afk , make a sandwich , come back, eat the sandwich and still have full health. This is a hell archer pack.
or
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Screenshot072.jpg
go afk in about 100 cows? no problem!
Barb lol'ing at hell archers packs in A5 by the wp thingy
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/Master_Zappy/Screenshot180.jpg
So life isnt really needed except as a elemental and poison buffer. Elements can be sorbed/mdr'd. Poison is little harder, I kept an antidote on my belt for that.
you will want to use a reapers/lawbringer or have this on the merc. This cuts monster damage in half right off the bat via decrep.
the only thing that can touch the well made pdr is end bosses, poison , some magic damages like the snake spears unless you have enough mdr too. CE from Nith and any of the uber stuff, plus certain combos of Champ packs with might+fanat and similar mods. With massive damage you'll have massive leach so these things aren't difficult either. Lifetap fixes whats left should you need it.
All the best stuff for a build like this wont cost you anything but some game gold and a highish level char to roll anya in hell. Plus a bunch of sol's.
Your build using
planned gear:
BotD GPA
Arreat
Fortitude
String of ears
crafted cloves with CB, res, dex, ias
Gores
raven + rare ring with ll, ar, res, dex etc
Highlords
Looks like the cookie setup for a VIT barb, not a Titan one. At a cost of at least 4 high runes your paying alot more then you need to. Take the one LO , make a grief pb , and hit up anya for most of the other stuff.
Hammer class wep's get an extra bonus from str , and since you had a massive investment in str , hammer weps > all others unless it's a grief pb :thumbup:
Building a Titan barb that will survive well in hell takes more then slapping the standard stuff on the barb and pumping everything in STR. If your on softcore though It doesn't really matter however.
Try this thread
My PDR barbarian is nearing completion. Minon of Destruction physical damage negated.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550206
he went ww with a botd, I think berzerk and grief pb is the way to go, but there always multiple ways to build.
Master Zap - I think I've seen your guide some time ago (maybe even few years ago). I was impressed but suspicious. I know that on LLD you can be elemental immune
Full Iratha + sentinel rings and shield + Darkglow with 10@ jewels where possible. But it is hard to believe that you can be physic immune. I'm sure that you wrote true and your characters exist, but it must be game bug :D If I do similar character bug will be fixed asap.
I should explain that I'm sceptic and I do not believe in many thing. I do not believe that Earth is sphere, electicity, reliable Italian cars, clever women, Santa and Michelle Pfeiffer.
Ok stop kidding - I wonder if it is possible to make character with less damage but more DR and use it as a tank in UT. I think it must be palladin with high salvation.
Master Zap I hear ya, but I've farmed long and hard just to be able to punch sockets into the eth GPA I found and trade the runes to make BotD. I'm going to use it. ;)
I've just getting close to be able to make "cookie cutter" builds and I intend to bask in the glory that comes with it. :D Besides it doesn't really matter what you do in SC.
I also just realized I have a Lionheart armour, wouldn't it be great too? I think I'll go with it for now. Lots of stats and life and res. :)
PS. I'm already planning my next project: ranged enchantress wearing dream helm.
I've counted how much your damage increase with 40ED jewel in Arreat:
Average 48 dmg will be added to your statistics - impressive?
BTW I wish my necro could use your barb as a revieve... Necro UT with 1 minion :)
PS: reanged sorc with javelin can use dream shield either ;) I love weird characters - I reccomend you bow assa with venom, palladin conviction + trang glo/belt/helmet, fire barb with 2 flamebellows or cold with frostwinds, thorn + IM necro.
Hehe, thanks for the calculation. What should I socket it with? :D
About the enchantress I was thinking of maxing enchant + syneriges and Lightning mastery. I would like to use Demon machine chu-ko-nu (66 pierce) and razortail (33 pierce). 99 piercing and it fires explosive bolts + fastest attack speed with only 20 more ias. Dream helm would give about ~15k max lightning damage. I would have to trade a infinity for merc though.
After Master Zap guides I'm removing all jewels from my equip and replacing them with Sols :)
Ithink your barb can need FHR or Um
Ref to your sorc Warshrike (50 piercing + ctc nova) would be better then cho-ko-nu, especially if you wear dragon shield and armor + dream ofc.
I wonder how much fire damage can have barb with 2 x HoJ and dragon armor.
Master Zap
23-12-2008, 17:28
After Master Zap guides I'm removing all jewels from my equip and replacing them with Sols :)
Ithink your barb can need FHR or Um
Ref to your sorc Warshrike (50 piercing + ctc nova) would be better then cho-ko-nu, especially if you wear dragon shield and armor + dream ofc.
I wonder how much fire damage can have barb with 2 x HoJ and dragon armor.
Idk, probably not enough to make it worth assembling meaning opportunity cost of course.Mod slots are precious. You could have obtained some more rounded stats from other items.
however here's your answer
level 46 holyfire, no syngeries = 597-609 fire damage
On a Frenzy type barb , Hoj has respectable phy damage and mods. It would work pretty well for pi's. The aura damage is about 100 per pulse. You can get more damage out of duel wielding gimmersheds and then you'd have an im solution to boot. (Or Azurwrath or Famine) The problem with this on a barb is no syngeries. With an infinnty merc , perhaps some facets in your gear for the skill boost you'd be doing ok though. I'd suggest using 2 Warspikes for this. The hefty damage mod seems wasted on the usualy favorite of Phase Blades.
Level 16 Holy Fire Aura When Equipped
+33% Increased Attack Speed
+280-330% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Ignore Target's Defense
7% Life Stolen Per Hit
-20% To Enemy Fire Resistance
20% Deadly Strike
Hit Blinds Target
Freezes Target +3
A holyfire pally for comparison with the dragon/hoj fully syngerised does 3.5K per hit not counting conviction or the -res
I think a really fun variant could be had with either Rift or VOR on a frenzy/doubleswing barb, infinity, nightwings and a facet/ormus armor.
You could with some effort pull around 750 ish damage off rifts FO ctc , nightwings and 3 facets at -100 enemy res. I did a kicker around that sticky'd in the sin forum.
With Sol's and integer pdr, your really need to use a decrep merc or make liberal use of battlecry.
Good luck on that fire swinging barb :thumbup:
After Master Zap guides I'm removing all jewels from my equip and replacing them with Sols :)
Ithink your barb can need FHR or Um
Ref to your sorc Warshrike (50 piercing + ctc nova) would be better then cho-ko-nu, especially if you wear dragon shield and armor + dream ofc.
I wonder how much fire damage can have barb with 2 x HoJ and dragon armor.
But, explosive bolts are like shooting fireballs! They stun, knockback and deliver your damage in an AOE! Think about that. :yes:
Master Zap - where did you find skill levels over 20. I had it in "favourites" but after HD format I cannot find it.
I see that ele barb is a bad idea. I wanted to do something impressive like your immortal character or titan barb. I wanted to find great effect like melee sorc (highest dmg) werebarb (highest life).
My last idea is slowing char
Double doom + stone armor for claygolem + merc with klepie snare. Ice aura lvl 24 55% slow, golem 60% slow, merc 75% slow - final effect should be sculpture of any opponent.
I think that pala with HF aura could do it even better, because he could use Lawbringer and cast decrep. If all slowing effects trigger, opponent should move back.
jimmah - do you noticed that some bosses poison you with theirs elemental (most often fire wall) attack. I wonder if assa venom + trang set items can poison by fire wall.
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