can my fishy do ubers?

[cyruseli]

Well, that's pretty much the question, can my fishymancer do ubers?
Here's his specs:

Stats:
Str 127 (base)
Dex 182 (130)
Vit 337 (285)
Enr 87 (base)

20 Unused Stat Points

Skills:
Summoning:
Raise Skeleton 36 (max)
Skeleton Mastery 36 (max)
1 into the rest, putting them at 17 after +skills

P&B:
Corpse Explosion 36 (max)
1 into Teeth, Bone Spear, and Bone Spirit, putting them at 17 after +skills

Curses:
1 into Amp Damage, Dim Vision, Weaken, Terror, and Decrepify putting them at 19 after +skills.

12 Unused Skill Points


Gear:

Weapon: Hoto
No switch yet!

Helm: Shako

Shield: Homonculus

Armor: MP Nigma

Belt: Arachs

Boots: War Trav

Gloves: Chancies

Ring 1: SOJ
Ring 2: BK

Amulet: Mahim-Oak Curio (...I know)

Charms:
13/19/5 Anni and 17/13 NTorch


I know it could use some revamping, especially in the Anni, Amulet, and I need a cta on switch, but probably also the boots and gloves as I don't really need MF for doing uber runs. Also just kind of wondering what kind of skills I should maybe invest more into with my leftover points. The character is also only level 80 so he has some room to grow from here as well.

Thanks, any feedback is appreciated.

[Jack Carael]

I strongly, strongly doubt this character can take on Utrist.

I think the damage penalty of minions vs bosses also counts for the Uber 3. Also, your minions will simply die like mad - even most characters die in Utrist if they don't use Life Tap.

Apart from that, the only easy way to kill the Ubers (as far as I know) is by using lots of Crushing Blow - something your minions don't have.

I might be wrong here, because I've never taken a Fishy to Utrist. However, I've done Utrist with a Smiter plenty of times, and it's no cakewalk.

Good luck,
-Jack

Edit: check out this (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=706832) thread. I didn't realize Urdars (the big beasties with humans for weapons found in Durance, River of Flame etc.) have Crushing Blow. Some points in Revive might be a good choice.

[NumtyDoo]

check at the start of the match to make sure that there are plenty of urdars, and I'm sure you can do it in 20 minutes or so.

[peytron]

Definitely possible if you use teleport to its full potential. Put a couple points in revive for urdars and blunderbores, and collect mages as well. More bodies mean more meat shields. Depending on what your mercenary has equipped, you should not have any trouble. I posted by Tristram experience in this forum as well, if you want to check out my gear. (There is a link in Jack Careal's post).

Without crushing blow on you, your mercenary, or revives, Tristram will be close to impossible. I know taking out hell Baal with no crushing blow takes ~10 minutes. So Uber Baal would probably take an hour.

[assimilateur]

I know taking out hell Baal with no crushing blow takes ~10 minutes.


Say what? I do it in maybe 2-3 minutes. Then again it still feels like taking forever unless I give my merc Obedience (40% CB), but I usually use Insight on him so no such luck. And before you ask about my skills: I've got 34 in RS and RM after bonuses and just 13 or 14 in RM.


EDIT: I might not have made myself clear. What I'm saying is that you probably also take only around 2-3 minutes, but it feels like 10 because you're used to your other gosu chars doing it in 15 seconds.

[shuy]

Say what? I do it in maybe 2-3 minutes. Then again it still feels like taking forever unless I give my merc Obedience (40% CB), but I usually use Insight on him so no such luck. And before you ask about my skills: I've got 34 in RS and RM after bonuses and just 13 or 14 in RM.


EDIT: I might not have made myself clear. What I'm saying is that you probably also take only around 2-3 minutes, but it feels like 10 because you're used to your other gosu chars doing it in 15 seconds.

Compare it to course lenght. I have 55 seconds amp dmg and my minions kill hell Baal about 70 seconds.

Cyruseli - you have no chance vs ubers. Udars revieve is a !!!MUST!!!
Moreover skele mages are important. I'm not sure if they are necessery but 36/36 mages (14 total) give 3000 ele dmg per second. Not impressive but much more that your punny bone spirit. If you wish support your minion use trang set parts - fire wall = 2K dmg per second, fire ball 250 per shot.

Anyway ubers cannot be defeated without CB. Check all barb or pala guides - CB is over high damage.
Udars and theirs brothers have 50% CB.

[Zarniwoop]

I would dump tons of pts into mages.

The way a necro kills ubers is to revive urdars and pray like crazy that they die before you run out of urdars. It is doable. It is a pita and in my experience not worth it.

I do use my necro often to run some organs but the ubers are so much easier with a barb or pally it's stupid. Yes, you can do it if you have enough ubers in the game and don't mind spending longer doing them.

[stardrowned]

What you want your mages for is their poison damage. The poison from mages lasts very long and cancels out the health regeneration of monsters which is what you will need badly, because without mega-ultra-über gear you will have to go back to River Of Flame, Palace Cellar or Durance more than once to revive new Urdars.
Concerning the gear I would rather stack on resists and safety items than on +skills. Another thing is not to curse the bosses, as this will spawn those undeads.
I am no expert on the topic, as I only did this once and it took me afair 30 minutes and a lot of potions to complete. Isn't there a guide for this around?

[assimilateur]

Cursing makes the bosses spawn minions? Wow, never noticed that (but I might not have been able to, because the Ubers I took part in were pretty chaotic), but the way I see it, having them decrepified or amped is more important than that anyway.

About safety gear: I don't think your skellies will survive unless your RS and SM levels are in the thirties, thus I'd recommend against skimping on the +skills. Sure, the urdars are more important, especially for their CB, but I think you need as many bodies as you can get, and you need for them to be reasonably resilient as well.

[garion]

i haven't played in a long time but i've done uber a few times with my old summoner

id max out mages although they won't last now..putting a lower res counter on the bosses will help with the poison to prevent uber healing...

do you have a way of getting buffed? maybe a barb buddy? also you want to raise a full compliment of blunderbores....and or if you run out...revived cows will work as well....

be very careful NOT to crowd the portal and to isolate and take on only one boss at a time.....

but to sum it all up you can do it...but it might be a tad bit hard....make sure you have tons of res up for mephy

[shuy]

About safety gear: I don't think your skellies will survive unless your RS and SM levels are in the thirties, thus I'd recommend against skimping on the +skills. Sure, the urdars are more important, especially for their CB, but I think you need as many bodies as you can get, and you need for them to be reasonably resilient as well.

Skelies survive quite well. Mages die more often, but most often die merc. My merc get hear attack immediately after passing portal, before any monster touch him. It is pain in ***, because might aura increase skelies damage better then any melee character.
If you have 200hp bone armor only dangerous attack is Diablo "electric flame". It kills mages immediatelly, but od not affect your minions which are next to him. Seems it has minimum range.
2 detailed descriptios of UT experience you can find here:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=706832

[Tarantella]

I think the technique of teleporting close to a boss then casting a strong golem onto the boss to engage his attention before your merc and minions arrive may prove a useful technique though still no substitute for mass CB urdar types especially those LR ones from the Durance.Teleporting onto Mephisto would make stacked resists and absorb almost mandatory in HC.

[Damric]

any crap necro with 1 point revive and some + skills can solo uber trist. I even do it with my trang poisoner.

[billking]

any crap necro with 1 point revive and some + skills can solo uber trist. I even do it with my trang poisoner.
I'm guessing your trang poisoner has Enigma.

I'd like to add that although it isn't required, Infinity runeword polearm on the merc is highly recommended by me. slvl 12 Conviction increases the chance for an Urdar to hit Uber Mephisto from 47% to 78% (at clvl 90). When you're dealing with Crushing Blow, the chance to hit is more important than +% damage items. (The Crushing Blow on Infinity itself is just gravy.)

[NumtyDoo]

any crap necro with 1 point revive and some + skills can solo uber trist. I even do it with my trang poisoner. He is right, uber gear will make it faster, but it can be done without.

I saw a barb do it on youtube with revive charges, he never touched the ubers himself, just used revives/merc.

[assimilateur]

I must be a crap player then, seeing how I had trouble even with Lilith while using Urdars. After that I didn't even try the Ubers themselves, obviously. All I did was distracting the minions and casting LT while my mate took them out with his Smiter.

[NumtyDoo]

The barb used howl constantly to get rid of the other baddies, necros can use terror to the same effect.

Lilith is hard for sommoners, some say she is harder than some of the ubers themselves.

[Damric]

Lol. If I could fit enigma on my full trang novamancer I would, but I am stuck with a teleport charge amulet (at least it is rare and has +1 necro skills). Really with small band of revived urdars, you don't need much in the way of gear. A strong clay golem can help much. Most people think lifetap when doing ubers, but I prefer decrepify with clay golem and a cold mage (or revived cold mage if you can get one to survive).

[Zarniwoop]

any crap necro with 1 point revive and some + skills can solo uber trist. I even do it with my trang poisoner.

I disagree entirely.

[Damric]

I disagree entirely.

I've done it, but perhaps I should have phrased it like this:

"Any poor necro who is determined enough to gather all those keys and organs, and has at least 1 point revive, can definitely solo the Pandemonion Event. Clever use of the decrepify curse with a clay golem, along with a handful of revived urdars easily does the trick."

I remember doing it as a level 78 very poor summoner and my Edge bow Act 1 mercinary didn't even die, although my skeletons were thoroughly trashed. Since then, I have even done it with my trang-oul poison nova necro, again using revives, clay golem, and clever use of curses. If you are good enough necro to gather the keys and organs, you are probably also smart enough to handle Uber Trist.

[NumtyDoo]

If a barb can do it with revive charges and howl, any necro can do it.