SP in NM and Hell.....Another way

[The Sandcat]

I can't make Lanthanides method work,But I found a different way. Select multiplayer the 1) select direct cable conn. 2 create hero 3 create game 4 now select difficulty lvl.Use normal.
So what happend was that I am the only player in a multiplayer game.Since the hero has just been created,one starts at lvl 1 normal.If you die,all your equipped stuff falls to the ground where you died.Really nasty! Also normal is more difficult with stronger monsters.But leveling up also happens much faster.This is not exactly what I wanted,but hell, it's better than nothing!

I still would like a fix that doesn't involve any MP stuff.:crazyeyes:

[Lanthanide]

All you're doing is playing a multiplayer game by yourself.

There are some significant differences between MP and SP:
- Monsters have 2x hitpoints
- No ability to save
- Only Butcher, Leoric, Lazarus and Diablo quests available, and Leoric and Lazarus are much simplified compared to SP and the Butcher and Leoric do not drop their special quest items.
- Cannot buy elixirs until you are clvl 26, and cannot buy vit elixirs
- Exp is capped to I believe a maximum of 10,000 per monster.

To get 'my method' to work, you're doing almost everything that you need to be doing. You just need to get your character up to clvl 20 so you can create Nightmare games, or clvl 30 so you can create Hell games. Once you've done that, create the direct connection game as you've been doing, except as NM or Hell difficulty, then quit the game immediately and start a new SP game with your SP character.

[The Sandcat]

Ok, great! So I must first get my present MP hero to clvl 20/30 ? My 3 SP heroes are all above 20. So when Save a game in NM SP ,Will my hero still be in NM when I load the game again? Or do I have to repeat the procedure?
Thanx.

[Lanthanide]

Yes, once you create a NM or Hell SP game, all saves and loads of that game retain the difficulty setting.

[HegemonKhan]

you can play single player game until u beat diablo. than, you use that single player character and start an mp game with it. choose nm (nm=nightmare or hell. for hell have to beat nm diablo obviously) for the difficulty. now, quit the mp game and choose single player game with that same character. you should now be playing on nm difficulty if this (lanthanide's) method works. you do NOT have to play an MP game from clvl 1 through beating norm diablo. you jsut use mp to create a nm (or hell) game, than you can quit and go back to single player game.
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lanthanide,

is there anyway to confirm that you are on-in nm or hell difficulty besides like just observing monster power or their resistances-immunities stats?

is this really nm or hell difficulty or is it still norm difficulty but the monsters are tougher and give more exp only?

i'm just a bit skeptical if i don't see something more "concrete".

does it say on the screen the difficulty (below the game name and stuff on the upper right of screen in-game) ?

i don't think i have yet done nm yet. i been on hiatus from d1....i went back to d2...it's hard to stay commited since it's a bit slower pace. but i think i got 1 character who beat norm, but i've been staying in norm difficulty trying to get more spell books and gold for more elixers (i know nm gives more gold and stuff but i wanna be stronger before i start nm. need better gear, more stat points=elixers, spells-books, etc..).

[Lanthanide]

You can't use your Single Player characters as Multiplayer (ie, battle.net) characters, they are completely separate. You need to create MP characters and get them up to clvl 20 or clvl 30 in order to start NM and Hell games.

As for confirmation, there is nothing in the game that says you are in NM or Hell whatsoever, but there are 3 obvious indicators:
- Gold dropped by monsters is much higher (piles of 100-200 gold in church)
- Monsters are much harder to kill and do more damage
- Monsters give much more experience

The monster mlvls are much higher also, so you'll see much higher base items dropping in the game, like helms and mail armor in the first few levels of the church.


As for playing in norm to get more money before you go to NM, just play NM instead and stick to dlvl 1-4. Dlvl 1-3 are especially easy and you'll rack up far more gold playing that than you will Normal/Hell because your killing speed will be much faster. You'll also run into more shrines and get lots of low level books, which could be useful.

When I played Diablo, I would instantly start playing NM games as soon as I hit clvl 20, often up until I hit 24 or 25, before going playing to playing normal/hell games. Often I would do this before I even killed Diablo on normal.

[HegemonKhan]

ty lanthanide,

just to clarify, please, i'm now a bit confused:

can u create characters on sp game and beat norm diablo, then use them in an MP (non-bnet, open-ip MP) game to create the nm/hell game than quit and play sp again with it being nm/hell ?

or

must u create open-ip mp characters than u can go play nm/hell on sp games?

[Lanthanide]

The latter.

All multiplayer characters of all forms are completely separate from Single Player characters. Ie, if you select 'Multiplayer' from the main menu, it is completely separate to if you chose 'Single Player' from the main menu.

The bug is that if you create a local Multiplayer game, using a Multiplayer character, then quit that game and start a new game using a Single Player character, the difficulty will carry over to the new Single Player game. You must use 2 separate characters to do this, it is not possible to do it using only one character.

Also just for the record, you can do this with a Single Player character at any clvl that you want, because it is abusing a bug, rather than a proper feature. While MP characters must be clvl 20 or clvl 30 to create NM and Hell games, Single Player characters can be any clvl at all, at any stage in the game. You could get up to clvl 15 in the caves and then start a Nightmare game and play through the church in nightmare, for example. You can even create NM and Hell difficulty games with clvl 1 single player characters. This only really works for the Sorc, because the Warrior and Rogue have atrocious to-hit against the NM and Hell-level monsters, whereas the Sorc's ability to hit enemies depends soley on his Magic attribute. Also the monsters do lots of damage and have very high to-hit scores, so it's pretty much impossible for a Warrior to play this way (I think I managed to get to clvl 4 before I completely ran out of gold to buy health potions, and therefore couldn't go any further). A Rogue will fair better due to her bow, but again her useless to-hit will make it pretty impossible to kill much. The Sorc however can get pretty far. IIRC you end up about clvl 8 or 9 after doing a full clear down to dlvl 2. Once you get to dlvl 3 it starts to get a bit difficult, and if you get a level with archers you should just give up because they'll make mincemeat out of you in short order.

[HegemonKhan]

ouch, have to start diablo 1 all over,

or...

any chance if i can make a mp character and play an mp game, beat norm/nm diablo or jsut get to the said clvls, then re-start an mp game at the wanted difficulty and quit. than would i possibly be able to use *my already made single player character* and play a single player game in nm/hell dificulties ?

and the mp character can be played on any type of mp game right ? or must it be bnet ?

also, i think it does let me use my single player character on an open or ip (non-bnet) mp game. does this mean anything or no, in relation to how the nm/hell bug works for single player games ?
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i'm still playing d2, but should i ever start doing d1 some more, i'll at least now i'll know how to correctly do harder difficulties on a sp game.

[Lanthanide]

Yes, you can create brand new single player games using your existing single player character. When you start the new game, you'll be the same clvl and have the same items/spells as when you quit the last game, but none of the dungeons or quests will be cleared. This means you have to start all the way back in the church levels, which can be a bit of a drag if you're clvl10+. However, if the new game you have just started is on NM or Hell difficulty, it's actually beneficial to start off at the church levels and work your way up.

The MP character can create any kind of MP game, although I don't know if battle.net games actually work. Direct connection or local IPX work fine though, and you don't have to stuff around with b.net servers.

You most definitely cannot use your single player character in an ipx/direct connection/whatever game. They are *completely* separate.

[HegemonKhan]

ya i just started d1 again, due to temp ban on bnet with d2, and ya u can NOT use single player character for-in an mp game. for some reason i thought u could. i must have made a multiplayer character, thinking he was a single player character.

also, there's NO way to use a multiplayer character for-in a single player game.

***sp and mp characters can ONLY play THEIR type of sp or mp games.***

ty, lanthanide, and sorry for thinking that a single player character could do multiplayer games. my bad.

i did a mp char, sorc, cuz he's the fastest and easiest. i got to get to 20 and 30 (grr. starting over) before i can make-play nm-hell on single player game with single player character.

[V12V12]

OMG.... let me get this right: My SP lvl25 Bow-Rogue is now useless argh! I've got to start a new MP char (sorc for the fast lvling), get it to clvl 20-30, THEN I can quit and create a SP-NM diff game to play in from? Sorry if I seem a little confused, I just started playing DI again and don't have all my wits about me.

I was wondering how everyone was finding all these high level items and what not, in SP build guides. I haven't found anything that serious, aside from Obsidian +15 All rings! And a +13 All Amulet. My Armor is Naj, some lame lvl 3 cap, 3-6 +14 all +39% Lightning res Bow. Okay those aren't that bad, but finding a nice bow, when you cannot MF-run in SP SUCKS! Unless I'm doing something "wrong?"

[HegemonKhan]

yep....unfortunately u made the exact same mistake i did......

do NOT erase your sp character...once u get an mp character who is able to make nm and/or hell, u can than takae that single player character in nm and hell difficulty in an sp game. using the method already explained.

u jsut need a mp char who can make nm/hell games than quit and start up your sp game game and it should be nm/hell.

for me myself, i just got mp char (sorcerer too) to clvl 20 and made a nm game, quit, and than started up my sp rogue in a new game and did dlvl 1 and the monsters were dropping like 100+ gold so i presume that i am on nm difficulty in my sp game, unless the gold amount scale based on character level, but i don't think so. i'll have to try my same sp char in norm difficulty to make sure i only get like 10 gold and not 100 gold to make sure that the mp method does indeed work for sp chars/games.
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wow i jsut re-read your post....we are identical.....

we both first made a sp game/char rogue at ~clv 25, only to both find out u need a mp char/game to generate the nm/hell settings for your sp char/game.

i made a mp char sorcerer too for fastest lvling so i could go back to my sp char/game.

(the catacomb, dlvl 5-8, archers and special monsters bring u to nearly a complete stop if u don't have mana shield....they can kill u so easy and very dangerous cuz it's an mp game and the monsters' extra life really makes a difference....beware the butcher too......i was stuck at like clvl 13 in the catacombs for a long time with my mp sorcerer..but finally i managed the catacombs and got him to cllv 20)

laughs...identical character selection and mistakes....
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u got some nice stuff...i'm jealous

my rogue needs:P

i got this funny bow... it only does like 3-5 damage, but has ~73% EDmg, and i guess from my dex or clvl, it gives me like 50-60 damage per arrow. it's pretty powerful for what i'm facing right now.

how'd u get those items in only norm difficulty of sp game ?

did u do laz runs ? is that were the obsidean +15 rings came from ??

i've read everything but i seem to be confused or not sure or just don't know how/where to get the good stuff....been really unlucky with gear getting. any certain monsters or quest monsters that are good to run for good items/gear ??

[V12V12]

yep....unfortunately u made the exact same mistake i did......

do NOT erase your sp character...once u get an mp character who is able to make nm and/or hell, u can than takae that single player character in nm and hell difficulty in an sp game. using the method already explained.

u jsut need a mp char who can make nm/hell games than quit and start up your sp game game and it should be nm/hell.

for me myself, i just got mp char (sorcerer too) to clvl 20 and made a nm game, quit, and than started up my sp rogue in a new game and did dlvl 1 and the monsters were dropping like 100+ gold so i presume that i am on nm difficulty in my sp game, unless the gold amount scale based on character level, but i don't think so. i'll have to try my same sp char in norm difficulty to make sure i only get like 10 gold and not 100 gold to make sure that the mp method does indeed work for sp chars/games.

Hrmm Yeah recently I've found some strange bug or I don't know... but now (Rogue lvl 25-26, god it took forever!) I can pick the Rogue (my only active char, Hellfire), start a new game, and it gives me the option of NM/Hell in SP?! So I can do Griswold runs by just restarting a new game and checking out what he has for sale...since most of it is trash for other classes that I cannot use. F'ing decent/good bows and helms are such a rarity!

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wow i jsut re-read your post....we are identical.....

we both first made a sp game/char rogue at ~clv 25, only to both find out u need a mp char/game to generate the nm/hell settings for your sp char/game.

i made a mp char sorcerer too for fastest lvling so i could go back to my sp char/game.

(the catacomb, dlvl 5-8, archers and special monsters bring u to nearly a complete stop if u don't have mana shield....they can kill u so easy and very dangerous cuz it's an mp game and the monsters' extra life really makes a difference....beware the butcher too......i was stuck at like clvl 13 in the catacombs for a long time with my mp sorcerer..but finally i managed the catacombs and got him to cllv 20)

laughs...identical character selection and mistakes....

Yeah it's def one of the hardest builds in SP in my exp... Bows are infrequent, cost a fortune and not nearly strong enough w/o some psycho bonus prefixes! I love and hate this build atm....
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u got some nice stuff...i'm jealous

my rogue needs:P

i got this funny bow... it only does like 3-5 damage, but has ~73% EDmg, and i guess from my dex or clvl, it gives me like 50-60 damage per arrow. it's pretty powerful for what i'm facing right now.

how'd u get those items in only norm difficulty of sp game ?

did u do laz runs ? is that were the obsidean +15 rings came from ??

i've read everything but i seem to be confused or not sure or just don't know how/where to get the good stuff....been really unlucky with gear getting. any certain monsters or quest monsters that are good to run for good items/gear ??

Most of my stuff was bought from Grizzy or Wirt. I've found Naj Plate, and the rings from random drops in the Cata/Crypts/Cave. Just killing monsters here and there. I'm really hurting for a nice helm and better bow.
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Here's my char so far:

Helm: Obs Helm of Sorc (AC-5; Res-all 36%; +5Mag

Shield: Stormshield,

Armor: Naj Plate

Bow: Obs Bow of Lightning; 4-8dmg, 1-10 Light arrows; +35% Res All
(44-48 dmg)

Weap: (This is amazing, but slower) (49-75 dmg)
Kings Fail of Heaven: Dmg 2-12; 97% To-hit; 162% Dmg

Misc: Drag Ammy of Zodiac: +52% Mana; +19 All | 2xRing of Zodiac: +19 All


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Sounds impressive... def NOT easy in nightmare! I'm constantly potion-whoring (mana shield) It's very annoying, since I'm used to DII and all of the mana leech gear (helms, rings, ammy, Bow etc). I do about 44-48 Bow and 49-75 Flail. Aka 3-5 bow shots/enemy and 2-4 fail swipes/enemy... Maybe I'm delusional about better gear, but I could certainly use a clue-in... no way in "hell" I could def diablo in NM with this build. I've wasted little if any points to magic or strength. All Dex and life thus far... :dontknow:

[Lanthanide]

Note that in Hellfire, you can create SP Nightmare and Hell games directly without having to do the MP-character bug trick first.

Also, in Hellfire Griswold sells more items at a time (16 premium items vs 8 in D1? lots more anyway), and he also uses a new algorithm to attempt to generate items that are 'better' than the ones that you are wearing. So normally after doing a dozen shopping trips with him you will be able to upgrade to better gear, and then doing more shopping trips while wearing that gear he will try and beat it again. So all you need to get the best items in the game in Hellfire is lots of gold and lots of time to do shopping with Grizzy.

Plain D1 doesn't work like that, though.

[V12V12]

Note that in Hellfire, you can create SP Nightmare and Hell games directly without having to do the MP-character bug trick first.

Also, in Hellfire Griswold sells more items at a time (16 premium items vs 8 in D1? lots more anyway), and he also uses a new algorithm to attempt to generate items that are 'better' than the ones that you are wearing. So normally after doing a dozen shopping trips with him you will be able to upgrade to better gear, and then doing more shopping trips while wearing that gear he will try and beat it again. So all you need to get the best items in the game in Hellfire is lots of gold and lots of time to do shopping with Grizzy.

Plain D1 doesn't work like that, though.

Yeah I noticed... it's lame, I don't wanna keep making all these games, in order to pimp Grizzy out. But I guess it's better than doing endless Laz runs (takes forever w/o tele!) and ident'ing mediocre gear :-/ DII has spoiled me with the runewords and socketable items/gear etc... So far I haven't lost my itch to play...speaking of which, time to start up a session hmmmm.... Lvl 28 and counting...

[HegemonKhan]

ah, my bad, i didn't know u were using hellfire.

i never got/played hellfire. i only have n play d1 classic.

like lanthanide said, u only have to do the trick in d1 classic, since it can't/doesn't even give u the option of nm/hell difficulty normally without the trick. hellfire fixed a lot of the bugs/issues with d1 classic.

[V12V12]

ah, my bad, i didn't know u were using hellfire.

i never got/played hellfire. i only have n play d1 classic.

like lanthanide said, u only have to do the trick in d1 classic, since it can't/doesn't even give u the option of nm/hell difficulty normally without the trick. hellfire fixed a lot of the bugs/issues with d1 classic.

Yeah for certain... the Jog-in-town feature is REALLY handy... I wish there was some kind of jog/sprint feature in D1C/HellFire. I know that mod The Dark has the sprint feature that drains a little life and mana when you elect to sprint, which I think is fair/balanced... BUT I don't like the fact that as your dex increases in D1C/HF = Your char isn't any faster. Stupid Blood Star Succubi can just scurry away and you cannot catch them till cornered, or that huge, hulking beasts can out run you?!
___I was going to start up The Dark mod, but I don't feel like starting all over again, even though it looks like a vast improvemenent over D1C/HF. It's so strange that the Mod-community/Pirate versions of games are usually the PROPER version that we the consumer ought to be buying?! It takes a group of "amateurs/criminals" to actually refine a game to what it should be released as?! Hahah :rant::steam:

[Flux]

Yeah for certain... the Jog-in-town feature is REALLY handy... I wish there was some kind of jog/sprint feature in D1C/HellFire. I know that mod The Dark has the sprint feature that drains a little life and mana when you elect to sprint, which I think is fair/balanced... BUT I don't like the fact that as your dex increases in D1C/HF = Your char isn't any faster.

There used to be small and simple D1 hacks/application that would just enable basic fixes. Teleport in town, for instance, which was far better than fast walk. They didn't change anything else about the game, (or you could get full hacks with godmode and town killing and such and just not use those other features playing solo) but were very convenient. Pity I didn't save any of them, but it's been like 11 years, and I wouldn't really trust versions found online now; everything's had trojans and such added in since those early days of fairly innocent, pre-malware hacking.

[V12V12]

There used to be small and simple D1 hacks/application that would just enable basic fixes. Teleport in town, for instance, which was far better than fast walk. They didn't change anything else about the game, (or you could get full hacks with godmode and town killing and such and just not use those other features playing solo) but were very convenient. Pity I didn't save any of them, but it's been like 11 years, and I wouldn't really trust versions found online now; everything's had trojans and such added in since those early days of fairly innocent, pre-malware hacking.


100% agreed... they had those cool "trainers" too, but now who knows wtf you're getting?! Unless it's from a well-established sight or a legit forum post. Funny how the virus community, shifted into the "trojan" community. GIVE people what they want, but slide in a little nefarious prog to steal from the stealers, hahaha SUCKS!