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Tangerinedream
24-11-2008, 00:40
I have a question that I havn't seen in the threads pertaining to this build, why doesn't anyone use doom as an option to the auradin build? Is there a bug that comes with it, or is it because it doesn't do as much overall damage as HoJ? I would think that the slow along with the damage would override the fact that it doesn't do as much raw damage as HoJ. I was thinking of this build for pvp or pvm and was hoping some of you could critique it as well as explain why Doom doesn't seem to be used that often. I was thinking for pvp but since I will not have maxed holy shield as well as some other pvp important mods such as DR then I don’t see this guy doing to well. What do you guys think? Would this be a viable build even if there is not maxed damage reduction and holy shield?

Weapon: Doom

Reason I would use Doom is for the holy frost aura and the slowing affect it provides. However, that is not the only reason for using this runeword. Doom also provides a +2 all skills, 45% ias, prevent monster heal, and other useful melee mods. Some prefer to use Beast for the fanat aura it provides, however you can use Faith in an act 1 merc and get the same result. On top of this Doom also provides a nifty -40-60% cold resist, coupled with conviction aura and that is a healthy chunk of resist taken away. The lvl 12 aura provided by the Doom gives a 50% slow effect, that from what I can tell can't be resists, much like the act 2 nm defensive mercs aura, unless I am mistaken.

The rest of the build would be pretty basic for a Dreamadin aura pally.

Helm: Dream
Shield: Dream
Gloves: Dracula's Grasp
Boots: Gore Riders
Belt: Dungos, or Nosferatu’s Coil (10% ias)
Armor: PvP-Angel's Guardian (unless you guys think there is better, I'm open to suggestions). PvM Nigma (get around easier and DR), or CoH (Resists, and Dr). Again this is an area where I would prefer suggestions to those pallies out there that know more than I do. Also, I cant forget Duress, which I think is going to be my choice given I can find a good armor for it. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what armor is good for this runeword?
Rings: RavenFrost, BK or something else
Ammy: Rare ammy or maras or Highlords Most likely Highlords for the ias and the skill.

Skills:

20 Resist Lightning
20 Resist Cold
20 Conviction
20 Salvation
10 Holy Shield
1 Salvation
1 Zeal (+5 from gear bonuses reaching the 5 attack point with zeal)
14 Prerequisites

Now, unless there is some bugs associated with the cold aura that I do not know about I think this is a pretty decent build. Also, unless I am blind, I haven’t seen an threads on this. The auradin guides I have looked at don't mention Doom as an option. For this guy I think I would us an Act 1 merc with Faith, to give me ias and damage.

With the lowest Faith aura (12) that gives 31% ias; Doom gives 45% ias; Highlords Wrath gives 20% ias; Nosferatu’s coil gives 10% ias. With all this gear we have 106 ias. Now I was looking for a speed calculator to find what frame zeal becomes 6,5, or 4 but I couldn’t find one so if someone could just tell me that info that would be greatly appreciated.

As for other melee important mods this guy will have 98% chance for open wounds, granted it is capped at some point but that will be the full amount this character will have due to gear choices. This build will have 30% chance for cb, granted not that high but still ok. He will also have 35% for critical strike, again not high but decent. Also, he will have about 80 fhr from gear alone. This is all based on Duress armor.

This is all I can think of right now, if anyone has any suggestions, or reason why I shouldn’t make this build then please say. Also, if you guys have some suggestions on my merc set up, which would be an act 1 merc wielding faith, then speak up ;p.

Tang

Borje
25-11-2008, 08:19
I suppose the most common reason for using HoJ is because then you can couple it with the Dragon armour to get a lvl 30 (IIRC) Holy fire aura...

The runeword armours are best made in something in Dusk Shrouds, Scarab Husks, Wire Fleece or Archon Plates. Check how much str you will need and what armour fits that best (remember than enigma and CoH give str bonus that you want to put to use).

lumpor
29-11-2008, 22:16
Although I don't really think that's so smart. The holy fire still wont do that much damage and it takes up 2 key equipment spots. I agree that doom is better. Although hoj does have some tasty mods, like itd, hit blinds target and freeze. Ok, maybe doom also has freeze, but hoj has itd, which is very nice. Still, I think that doom is better.

BAMFSpecialOps
30-11-2008, 06:14
With 20 conviction ITD is basically meaningless anyways.

lumpor
01-12-2008, 07:35
Oh right, forgot that. So basically all it has it hit blinds target and the holy fire aura (which kinda sucks).

The sad thing with doom is that to reach a 4 frame zeal, you have to make it in a war spike, which has 39 average damage.

BAMFSpecialOps
01-12-2008, 14:58
^ Did you calculate Treachery into your speed? Overall a nice pvm armor, venom(more dmg), fade(res/dr%)...

diabloegghead
02-12-2008, 21:54
With 20 conviction ITD is basically meaningless anyways.


Sorry dude 20 conviction does nothing for ure physicial damage just ure elemental damage. So ITD is not the same as conviction. IGnore target defence works for ure physicial. so conviction does not make ITD "basically meaningless"

diabloegghead
02-12-2008, 21:57
Oh right, forgot that. So basically all it has it hit blinds target and the holy fire aura (which kinda sucks).

The sad thing with doom is that to reach a 4 frame zeal, you have to make it in a war spike, which has 39 average damage.

how can u say holyfire aura suxs? using dragon armour and HOJ together give u a 30lvl fire aura and if done right u can easy get 2000 fire damage. Doesnt sound like " kinda sucks" when u are doing nothin but standing there and still doing 2000 fire damage.??????? u think????/

diabloegghead
02-12-2008, 21:58
by taking out HOJ and replacin it with DOOM u have now made a different Pally. He no longer is an AURAdin

Borje
02-12-2008, 22:04
Well, level 20 conviction does not only reduce monster resistance it also lowers their defence so if you are at a decent level compared to the monster you are attacking (that is, not much lower than them) you will have a chance to hit close to what ITD gives you...

diabloegghead
02-12-2008, 22:07
Well, level 20 conviction does not only reduce monster resistance it also lowers their defence so if you are at a decent level compared to the monster you are attacking (that is, not much lower than them) you will have a chance to hit close to what ITD gives you...

close but no cigar. Still does not make ITD useless

Tangerinedream
04-12-2008, 23:50
Diabloegghead you do realize that Doom has an aura correct? Therefore, given that an auradin is an aura stacking pally using conviction to boost the elemental damage from the auras he stacks, my version is an "auradin." Simply because he is using frost aura instead of fire doesn't make him a non auradin. Also since the frost aura does periodic damage as well, I dont see your argument making any sense. Unless you are trying to argue that the only type of auradin is a dual dream, dragon, and HoJ wielding pally. That of course is silly because I see many guides with many variations or slight variations and this doesn't make them any less of an auradin, but I am assuming you knew all this, and was just making a funny, that wasn't very funny or logical. I remember seeing a HoJ, Dragon armor/shield, and dream helm really going for the fire damage. Granted it doesn't do as much as the dual dream, HoJ, and dragon armor combo but that is an option. This would mean that the shock aura isn't stacking, however, he is still an auradin based upon the gear/spec. Unless you mean that the auras have to stack, with all the auras he is using, which again I dont see as being very logical, I do have stacking auras from the dreams the other aura doesn't stack but still fulfills its duty with periodic damage and added elemental weapon damage. I don't know I just find it interesting when people come in with useless comments.

Thank you all though for the other comments they have been helpful.

Tang