Oldschool style - Lance barb

[Brave_turtle]

Hi guys,

Haven't been on since a while. I start replaying yesterday and kinda miss the old days where lance barb were all over the place.

Nowadays, no one seems to play them. I'm very interested by the idea to make a PVM WW lance barb (BOTD) in HC ladder. I tried to look for info in the search function but still have some questions:

1- War pike makes the most dmg but doesn't hit the last breakpoint. Is it a big deal for pvm?

2- My second choice of lance was a ghostpear. Will it hit the last BP? What does it look like when you use it? Is it the same look as war pike?

Thank you.

[reciprocate]

EBOTD War Pike is a good choice, high max damage and good range.

[MYK]

Ethereal Hone Sundan. Shael or IAS jewels. Do it, It's way better than EbotD for an infinity amount of reasons.

[Master Zap]

Ghost spear hits the last ww and is an excellent choice. When your done, you can throw that botd on your merc and pile on some gf/mf and do trav runs.

I'm With MYK though, nothing is cooler then a eth up'd Hone, That CB is mint!

Hitting that last ww bp is a big jump in damage. Your getting in a whole extra attack:yes:

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312805


I was running the idea over and over again in my head and I just thought hey go with it. It could be used to help some one else out. I am going to do this over a langth of time feel free to say some thing about any item. I will do all from Uniques, rune words,Magic/rares/crafted/robo, and set items. This is ment for any one that does not know what they want to use. From low levels to high levels. To put a item on this list it must get to the last break point for wirlwind. This is ment for player verse monster, and player verse summoner as in necromancers with 60 some thing
summons.

1 handed weapons all hit the last break point for whirlwind at -34.

2 handed swords being used as a 2 handed weapon hit the last breakpoint at -51. But when used as a 1 handed they hit at the same as a 1 handed weapon.

All 2 handed weapons other then swords hit at -59.

To find out what your weapon hits at is simple.
take the base speed (look it up here) then subtract that number with how much increased attack speed you have on the weapon it self. Then that number is what your weapons speed really is.

So basicly veryslow, slow, fast, and very fast don't mean any thing at all. I am putting this table in to help out the people that really understand math Thanks to MCM.

a1_frames is looked up from the following table for barbs:
1hs = 16 (1 hand weapons)
2hs = 18 (2 hand swords used in 2 hands)
2ht = 19 (2 hand spears)
hth = 12 (fists)
stf = 19 (staves, polearms, 2 handed axes/hammers)

Then take the result and match it to this table to find your "real" delay, in frames. Match the first left hand value that is equal to or less than your result:

0 = 4
12 = 6
15 = 8
18 = 10
20 = 12
23 = 14
26 = 16
So for example a zerker (WSM 0) with 34% IAS (WIAS 34) has a delay of: 16 * 256 / ((34 + 0 + 100) * 256/100) = 11 (11.94, the fraction is truncated due to integer precision.) In the table above, 11 is >= 0, and not >= 12, so the real delay is 4 frames. This means for example that Grief only needs 34% IAS in a zerker to achieve 4 frame WW.

Uniques Elited

AXES
Canebreak Range 2 attack speed -50

Deathscleaver range 3 attack speed -40

razors edge range 1 attack speed -40

Rune master range 2 attack speed +10 can get to -34bp with 3 40 ed/ 15% ias jewels.

CLUBS
Horizon's Tornado range 3 attack speed -60

Nord's Tenderizer range 1 attack speed -35

Stormlash range 3 attack speed -40

Barnor Star range 2 attack speed -40

SCETPERS
Astreon's Iron Ward range 2 attack speed -20 can get to -34bp with just 1 15% ias jewel

Heaven's Light range 1 attack speed -20 can get to -34bp with just 1 15% ias jewels

SWORDS
Azurewrath range 2 attack speed -60

Djinn Slayer range 1 attack speed -20 can get to -34bp with a 15% ias jewel

Frostwind range 2 attack speed -35

Lightsaber range 2 attack speed -50

Uniques Exceptional

The Butcher's Pupil range 2 attack speed -20 can get to -34bp with just a 15% ias jewel.

CLUBS
Baezil's Vortex range 3 attack speed -30 needs a 15% ias jewel to get to -34bp.

SCEPTERS
Zakarum's Hand range 1 attack speed -30 needs a 15% ias jewel to get to -34bp.

SWORDS
Bloodletter range 1 attack speed -20 can get to -34bp using a -15% ias jewel

Coldsteel Eye range 1 attack speed -50

Ginther's Rift range 2 attack speed -30

Crainte Vomir range 3 attack speed -50

Uniques Normal

AXES
Rakescar range 3 attack speed -30 can get to -34bp with just a 15% ias jewel

CLUBS
The General's Tan Do Li Ga range 3 attack speed -30 needs a 15% ias jewel to get to -34bp

THROWING WEAPONS
Warshrike range 1 attack speed -50

Lacerators range 1 attack speed -40

Uniques Elite 2 handed weapons

Break point is -59

CLUBS
Windhammer range 2 attack speed -50 can get to -59bp with just a 15% ias jewel.

POLEARMS

Bonehew range 3 attack speed -20 can get to -59bp with 2 15% ias jewels.*

Tombreaver range 5 attack speed -50 can get to -59bp with just 1 15% ias jewel.

Stormspire range 5 speed attack speed -40 can get to -59bp with just 1 sheal rune.*

SPEARS
Arioc's Needle range 3 attack speed -40 can get to -59bp with just 1 sheal rune.

Viperfork range 5 attack speed -70

Uniques Exceptional 2 handed weapons

POLEARMS
Athena's Wrath range 5 attack speed -40 can get to -59bp with just a sheal rune

SPEARS
Hone Sundan range 5 attack speed 0 can get to -59bp with just 3 sheal runes.

STAVES
Ribcracker range 2 attack speed -50 can get to -59bp with just a 15% ias jewel but you want a sheal rune if you up grade.

Uniques Normal 2 handed weapons

SPEARS
Lance of Yaggai range 5 attack speed -40 can get to -59bp with just a sheal rune.

Now for quest items.*
Horadric Staff
Khalim's Will

Ya that is it for 2 handed uniques sad isn't it. Well not for Lancers.


Now for rune words I will make the listings a little defent I will put the rune words name then every weapon that works for that rune word. Also for the rareity of runes I will use elited weapons only if there is a really rare rune in the runeword.

Black 15% ias*
None

Fury 40% ias
Warspike
Berserkeraxe
Tyrant Club
Scrouge
Caduceus
Mancatcher
Phase Blade
Cryptic Sword
Mythical Sword
Lengend Sword
Highland Blade
Balrog Blade
Champion Sword
Colossus Blade

Grief 30%-40% ias 5 soct
Phase blade
Colassal Blade - 39%-40% only
War Spike
Berserker Axe - 34%-40% only
Crowbill
Naga - 34%-40% only
Dimensional Blade - 34%-40% only
Zweihander

Silence 20% ias
Phase blade

Steel 20% ias
Flail
Military Pick
Club
Scimitar
Saber
Longsword
Flamberge

*Beast- 40% ias
Berserker axe
Warspike
Caduceus

Breath of the Dying 60% ias
Warspike
berserker axe
Champion axe
Great Pole Axe
Giant Theasher
Ghostspear
Phaseblade
Colossus blade
Ethy dimensional blade is better then a phase blade.

Call to arms 40% ias
Warspike
Berserker axe
Scrouge
Mancatcher
Phase Blade
Colossus Blade

Creasntmoon 20% ias
Phase Blade
Legend Sword

Doom 45% ias
Ettin Axe
Warspike
Berserker Axe

Famine 30% ias
Warspike

Hand of Justice 33% ias
Warspike
Scrouge
Caduceus
Phase Blade
Cryptic Sword
Highland Blade
Champion Sword

Kingslayer 30% ias
Warspike
phase Blade
Cryptic Sword
Highland Blade
Champion Sword

Oath 50% ias
Phase blade
Conquest Sword
Cryptic Sword
Highland Blade
Balrog Blade
Champion Sword
Colossal Sword
Colossus Blade
Small Creascent
Ettin Axe
War Spike
Berserker Axe
Feral Axe
Champion axe
Scrouge

Passion 25% ias
Warspike
Scrouge
Caduceus
Phase Blade
Cryptic Sword
Champion Sword

Wind 40% ias
Tomahawk
Warspike
Berserker Axe
Truncheon
Tyrant Club
Reinforced Mace
Scrouge
Mighty Scepter
Caduceus
Falcata
Ataghan
Elgant Blade
Phase Blade
Conquest Sword
Cryptic Sword
Mythical Sword
Legand Sword
Highland Blade
Balrog Blade
Champion Sword
Colossus Blade

I will do a table for assassin here because you will have to use at least 1 chaos claw to make it work. Also I will add in all the uniques, and set claws that work also.*

Now the break points for wirlwind for assassins are very different from barbarians. They are very easy to get too numbers which are:
9 and -13*

Chaos 35% ias*
Suwayyah
Wrist Sword
Battle Cestus
Feral Claws
Runic Talons
Scissors Suwayyah

Uniques claws that work
Bartus's Cut-Throat range 2 attack speed -30*

Fire Lizards Talons range 2 attack speed -35*

Set
Natalya's Mark Range 2 attack speed -40*

That is it for rune words and claws.

[lumpor]

Ghost spear would definitely yield more damage over time than warpike. Hone sundan is also very nice. Yu'll have to be sure to get an etheral one though

[jiggaman]

i had one of these back in .09, did massive amounts of damage. i have recently been thinking about making another one. there was a really good guide a long time ago but i dont know if its still floating around or not

[DECOYBOY]

i had an eth upped hone sundan on my ww barb, i mean who couldn't love good damage, hitting the last breakpoint, and all that crushing blow. but in-game, killling speed wise, i wasn't as impressed as i thought i would be, but it is definitely viable. i don't really like it though cuz it looks like this huge guy holding a tiny pitchfork, but that's just a style thing i guess