The Sin War Pact...

[ZSiegfried]

Just want to know what you guys think of the pack made between Angiris council and Mephisto...

As far as I am concerned the pact stated that that both sides will let sanctuary grow and people therein craft their own future, until some point when Demons or Angels break the truce. "We shall leave them to their own destiny, whether good or ill, for as long as the truce holds."

I think this is kind of a pointless pack since technically it states that they will leave Sanctuary alone until one side decides to interfere.

[SoulSpectrum]

Essentially, yes, it was pointless... But without the pact happening that very moment, then what would of happened to Sanctuary?
The pact had some effects.
Mephisto claimed a spot on Sanctuary, dum dum dum. He was also claimed Inarius.
The Angiris Council decided to leave Sanctuary intact. However, by doing so it may of created some sentimental feelings for Tyrael and others who were for Sanctuary, and probably pissed off Imperius and others. That could have a role in the future.
Sanctuary lived, yay...
I believe the pact was more of a; "I won't come here again if you don't come here again. okay? Don't cross that line and I won't cross this line!"-Mephisto
"...okay, but until then." -Tyrael
*exchange evil eyes*
So, the pact may of been more of a politics than actually law. Maybe they agreed to have no direct contact with Sanctuary, so they went with the indirect route. The indirect route could of been influences such as powers, churches, ect.
The pact brings up one big question... Azmodan and Belial overthrew the Primes in action because they believed that the Primes failed in The Great Conflict. Did Azmodan and Belial do the "dark exile" because of their disapproval of the Primes decision, or because it was part of the "great plan"? Or did the Primes see this coming?
With the "Dark Exile", the pact was broken. Now why didn't the opposing forces invade to claim what they could before the other could? (excluding the World Stones influences, there had to of been other ways to seige control of atleast alittle power) With the Burning Hells having a Coup de Etat I doubt that the new rulers would of had any previous knowledge of the fined details about Sanctuary, or maybe they simply didn't care. The High Heavens isn't quit clear to my understanding. Tyrael entered Sanctuary after the Primes were unleashed and created the Horadrium, but by doing so, is he looked at by the Angiris as an outlaw now? I have a feeling that we're going to find some answers in Diablo 3 that are just going to because of stupid politics...

[korialstraz]

Didn't Mephisto have to leave his mark on Sanctuary, so that if he broke the truce the angels would know and could move to stop him? So if he wanted to break the truce, Meph had to be ready for the Angels as well.


Sanctuary lived, yay...

Uldyssian saved Sanctuary, and he could have done so by himself. The way he just stopped all the angels and demons in their tracks and threw them back out of Sanctuary? Priceless :thumbup:

[SoulSpectrum]

Didn't Mephisto have to leave his mark on Sanctuary, so that if he broke the truce the angels would know and could move to stop him? So if he wanted to break the truce, Meph had to be ready for the Angels as well.



Uldyssian saved Sanctuary, and he could have done so by himself. The way he just stopped all the angels and demons in their tracks and threw them back out of Sanctuary? Priceless :thumbup:

True. Uldyssian did save Sanctuary, but just for the time being, there wasn't really much planned long term.
I forgot about the mark of Mephisto, which makes me still wonder, why didn't the Council do anything after the pact was broken.... Or was Tyrael the hand of justice?

[ZSiegfried]

My thoughts exactly. Mephisto made his mark with his own blood, so does that not bind him in any way if it was a blood pact? And why didn't any angel reciprocate the gesture? It was Tyrael who pushed for the pact initially... Which makes me wonder (but hope against it) if Tyrael wasn’t in on it with the Demons from the start. Or he has some knowledge of some higher power that they do mention in the Sin War books. What makes my mind wonder in such way was that when Tyrael bound Mr.Bigshot to make him see Sanctuary’s destruction and Mr.Bigshot subsequently broke free, the book says :

“He expected the angel to attack, but Tyrael only stood there watching, almost as if expecting the human’s startling escape” pg 316 The Veiled Prophet...

[SoulSpectrum]

Hmmmm makes me wonder.... This whole what why didn't the Angels respond to the Dark Exile may implicate that there's something going on for awhile now that we're not sure of.... It would tie some loop holes if Belial and Azmodan decided to have direct assault on the Heavens while the Primes were in Sanctuary. IT would create a few more plot holes, but answer much more. Such as The Primes focus on Sanctuary could be because Hell is busy and this would give them a greater edge against all of their enemies, Hell and Heaven alike. And alas why the angels didn't reciprocate.... It could be explained aswell by Tyrael being on Sanctuary for such a long period of time. Hmmmm me no know.....

[ZSiegfried]

Well we must remember that we have only seen the evil plots from the Prime evils perspective. In the Sin War books everything the Angels did not want to be seen was completely hidden...So there might be some major things happening in the background that we don't know about. That we will find out about... Maybe some more Angel Demon alliances etc. The books just open a whole can of plots for the universe...