Zealot or Avenger with Lightsabre?

[Zerick]

Hi all,

what's better build with Lightsabre: Zealot or Avenger?

Im thinking...

01 Zeal
20 Vengeance
20 Conviction
20 Fanaticism
rest in Holy Shield


Thx


Zerick

[Inda]

Just my $.02, but I don't think LS gives enough physical damage to make Vengeance strong..

Unless I am smoking crack, the elemental damage that Vengence adds is based off of the base-physical damage of the weapon ... and a Phase Blade tends to have a low-physical damage... This might however be made up for in LS's ITD skill ... but I kind of doubt it. :S

~I

[VanguardAD]

i used a lightsabre for about a week until i got a shael'd Baranar's Star- tad bit slower attspd higher damage. I'd suggest a Crescent moon, or an oath. if you can afford it.
early items included up'd Pviper
lightsabre
pal spirit
raven f is a must
dex ring ar is unbelivably important
at chaos 87% chance to hit your going to want more**

you will not beable to use conviction AND fanaticism. (if your planning on switching
auras or something)

right now 89 avenger is using a BeastZ very appropriately named-- it eats coin like a beast-due to the fact that its NOT indestructible and uses a ber (9 fana*)

um'd shako (looking 4 um'd andy's 20ias) a 120/45 would devistate
29 metal grid
5ll bk
19 220 raven
Drac's
enigma
nats boots(nice res 40frw)
um'd Hoz
Nosferatu's coil(a better avenger belt could not exist)

i didnt put any unnecessary points into sanctuary or vigor, too far to put jsut one point.
(+dracs) 65frw from enigma and nats is fast enough, for walking around town.
able to smite Lilith -not enough AR to hit melee consistently

trouble rushing a full nm game.... *slow(bosses, esp durial, diablo) breeze with less than 5-6
can rush hell 2 characters max

easily takes out any hell mob 1on1 one or two players

absolutely need ebotdz/e imo

greif? does greifs 300-400 +damage get factored into Vengeance- dunno. a greif is cheeper to make than ebotdz and might be worth more, if its not compatable
and its easier to find 5s PB than an eth zerk exile would devistate also.


i do want to say this with the gear i have now i could have made a pretty decent Hdin.
-fast rushes with more people
-access to diablo and baal drops
this avenger build it is impossible to even solo chaos, low crowd control, and iron maiden is crippling with maxed vengeance(29) costing 11 mana over 70ias and fanaticism, iron maiden will kill you very fast.

20 vengeance
20 conviction
8 resist fire
8 resist ice
8 resist lightning
1 salvation
1 sacrifice
1 zeal
1 holy bolt
1 blessed hammer
1 smite
1 charge
20 holy shield
1 defiance

[Bjam]

Definitely better for a Zealot. It's not great, but you'll be able to finish Hell with it.

Just to respond to a couple of points from VaguardAD that might help prevent someone from spending a lot for a disappointing (or at least sub-optimal) result.

1) Andy with a 15%ias/xx fire res jewel is way better than a 120/45 helm, +2 skills, defense, life leech, high defense, and strength vs. 120% to physical damage only (it does not affect elemental damage. A 2os CoA would be awesome option, although expensive and possibly requiring extra pionts in strength.
2) Putting 20 points in holy shield is way too much, 10 is a more reasonable number and with enough +skills, even less. Add those points to the 3 resists
3) eBotDz is in fact the perfect Avenger weapon, but if you are on a budget an eth Oath one-hander is a nice option. Grief doesn't work like you'd hope (damage is added in after the multiplication), so it is not a good choice.
4) For help with crowd control, get Holy Freeze from your merc in the form of his aura or a Doom polearm. It makes an enormous difference.
5) The number lie regarding to hit chances becuase conviction effectively lowers an opponents defense by over 90%, so just 4000 AR is plenty.
6) Fanatacism is really over rated because the max attack speed you can achieve is 8 fpa. With a fast weapon and proper gear selection it is easy to reach 9 fpa. I'll gladly give up 12.5% damage (due to attack speed) to get 50%-80% more damage (eth weapon with higher ed%).
7) Nat boots?!? Even Tearhaunches are better (free Vigor) and Wartravellers are ideal.
8) In general I like to have more DR% with my Avenger so, if you aren't getting some from your helm, I think you'll find a Sting of Ears or Verdungoes more valuable than a Nos Coil unless you need it to hit an attack BP.