LLD29 Pala charger

[theredpredator]

Charger only. Dont care bout max block smiters raping me i just want to charge lvl 80 sosos and rape them to smitherrines.

Some points im uncertain of, i hope you can help.

Faster Hit recovery: Is reaching the 5x breakpoint neccesary? Imo it is, to not get stuck to any attack. Any zealer fast bowazon baba will rip u to pieces.

Correct?

IAS: Needed for charger only?

Helm: lvl 29 3 socketed helm available or? whats best

weapon: Some say bonesnap. But cb doesnt apply to pvp, so imo steeldriver has better dmg and would be a much better candidate for this position?

Boots: sanders riprap. 40frw, dext, str.

Belt: 24fhr life dual resist or the string of ears?

Gloves: Bloodfist obv.

Amulet rings: Angelic set.

and filled ofc with ar max dmg frw charms.

How should i distribute the skills? And stats? max vita? strength for dmg? 1hit KO ftw

[Narc]

-Well, level 30 would give you access to an upped Snap but assuming you'd stay put at level 29, I'd roll an +5-6 Insight Eth Partizan. :)
-You don't need IAS

[theredpredator]

Cant go for partizan coz itll break and look stupid with a meditation aura. Steeldriver has bigger dmg.

[Master Zap]

Cant go for partizan coz itll break and look stupid with a meditation aura. Steeldriver has bigger dmg.

Yeah them eth partizan's are cheap and if your pvp'ing you dont have to worry about the durablity thing.
Since your also a low level pally you have like no mana to speak of. Charge a couple times on the battlefield and your now out of mana.Try claiming "stupid mana aura" then


Steeldriver has 144 avg damage to work with.
Two-Hand Damage: (95-133) To (145-203) (120-168 Avg)
Required Level: 29
Required Strength: 50
Durability: 60
Base Weapon Speed: [20]
+150-250% Enhanced Damage (varies) (decent!)
+50% Damage To Undead (useless pvp)
40% Increased Attack Speed (useless on a charger)
Requirements -50% (handy)
Heal Stamina plus 25%

Versus the FAR superior eth insight partizan or runestaff


Level 12-17 Meditation Aura When Equipped (varies)
+35% Faster Cast Rate
+200-260% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+9 To Minimum Damage
180-250% Bonus to Attack Rating (varies)
Adds 5-30 Fire Damage
+75 Poison Damage Over 5 Seconds
+1-6 To Critical Strike (varies)
+5 To All Attributes
+2 To Mana After Each Kill
23% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items

in a eth partizan damage would be 128-283 or 205 avg.
(assume you re-roll for a 250%+) (damage calculated at 250%)

you also get a MASSIVE ar boost , something your REALLY going to need if you think you want to start pk'ing some high levels. Character level also is a factor with chance to hit, not just gross AR.

that critical strike means your going to have a 40-50% chance to do double damage. As a charger your already doing WTF damage so if you can double your often 1 hitting people.


An strong little pk charge pally build

Helm: Max Damage jeweled 30's Crown/Mask , Pcrown
Armor: Peace armor. Used for the +2 critical strike. Double damage = yaay
Wep; Insight eth Partizan
belt: String of ear's vs melee , Death's for casters
gloves: Bfists. Min damage boost, godly FHR and some life
boots: Tearhauches , free vigor, stats. Cowkings are nice too.
Ammy: Angelic
Ring1 Angelic
Ring2 Angelic or Soj.
switch Spirit shield (Rhyme shield is good for too) and sword to throw people off (thinking your a hammerdin) and a good swap option to stack your res some.

A vmagi may also be worth considering for armor. It has better res. Missing one skill point, but that's no big deal really. Helpful if you fight alot of casters.

you'll end up with like a level 8-10 critical strike and that brings you to 50-60% chance at double damage.

48% faster hit rate probably is worth getting. Dont want to get stunlocked.

It may be worth keeping a 3 thul'd mask in stash for cold sorcies. A honor eth knout or Naga is another stash item I'd have around. So you can use this with that high res spirit/rhyme shield and still do ok damage to melee builds.


Anyhow that's how we roll one here on Hardcore.

I think the mana regen and AR boost put insight over the top. In all fairness A up'd high % bonesnap has a higher min


Base damage of eth partizan = 51-112
+9 min (mod found on insight) = 60-112
+275% ed = 200-421 (perfect damage roll, sup base)
+5 str = 210-442
+6 CS (46%) = 476 average damage

Base Damage of eth war club = 79-117
+ 15 max = 79-132
+320% ed = 333-506
avg dmg = 420


With a peace armor, soj and pcrown you'd still get a good critical strike chance on the Bsnap.


The last wep to throw in the mix to mess things up is Eth Honor Lance

this would have 80-288 wep damage or 184 avg
With peace, pcrown 1 soj you get a level 5 critical strike which is still 40-50% chance at doing double. If that roll fails, you'll get another 25% chance at rolling Deadly strike, which of course is double damage.

Honor
+160% Enhanced Damage
+9 To Minimum Damage
+9 To Maximum Damage
25% Deadly Strike
+250 To Attack Rating
+1 to All Skills
7% Life Stolen Per Hit
Replenish Life +10
+10 To Strength
+1 To Light Radius
+2 To Mana After Each Kill

[theredpredator]

Master Zap and Narc,


I am deeply sorry the way i ridiculed the insight idea. just lol

Anyone got a eth 4s partizan?^^

Masterzap thnx for the clear explanation! ur my hero^^

How many points should i put in what skill? max charge first? max might first? or even go concentration Oo?

[Narc]

Master Zap and Narc,

I am deeply sorry the way i ridiculed the insight idea. just lol

Anyone got a eth 4s partizan?^^

Masterzap thnx for the clear explanation! ur my hero^^

How many points should i put in what skill? max charge first? max might first? or even go concentration Oo?

It happens. ;o

Might adds +20% to Charge per point, even if you don't use it. That goes on top of the 40+10%/per point if you do use it.
Concentration adds +15% per point.
Charge adds +20% and +15% AR.

If I were you, (and if someone notices my train of logic is completely off here, let me know), I'd max both Charge and Might. (might have enough points, depending on rushes). I'd sooner max Charge than Might because AR is nice.

Eh, the resist auras might be worth a thought if you don't like equipment swapping. ;)

[crawlingdeadman]

even if you're not going to be a regen charger, i'd put a point each into the defensive auras down to and including clense.

[JacksonMe]

i don't know, but i prefer honor + spirit. will help since you'll be able to get res, max block (with holy shield), fhr.

but i have to say tho, almost all llds have max block, not only smiters.

[theredpredator]

spirit shield? holy shield? wtf?

u expect ,e to get 156 strength for the spirit monarch at lvl29?

and i dont see the point in waisting valuable skill points in defensive tree if it messes up my dmg..

[Uncle_Mike]

u expect ,e to get 156 strength for the spirit monarch at lvl29?


Nope, he can roll a spirit in a low level low req paladin shield.

[JacksonMe]

spirit shield? holy shield? wtf?

u expect ,e to get 156 strength for the spirit monarch at lvl29?

and i dont see the point in waisting valuable skill points in defensive tree if it messes up my dmg..

lol thanks for being rude.

like what uncle mike said, you can make spirit in a low lvl pally shield.

EDIT: i just noticed master zap did mention about honor + spirit. so you can refer to his explaination. max block is very important in lld. also, make your spirit in a high ed/ar(perfect is 65% ed/121 ar) pally shield for more damage.

with peace, pcrown, honor, spirit, you have a lvl 6 critical strike and 25% deadly strike. really nifty.

[theredpredator]

Lol sry for being rude^^ didnt cross my mind that you were obviously talking about a pally shield. I tought u were tripping but u werent ^^
Thnx for ur help.

But still..

Everyone agrees with the distribition of skill points explained earlier in this thread?

[JacksonMe]

yup, max charge and might. they're your main skills. one point in holy shield if you're using shield.

[theredpredator]

What should i make honor in? Dimensional sword?

[Narc]

What should i make honor in? Dimensional sword?

Knout, Naga, Lance.

[theheft]

yup, max charge and might. they're your main skills. one point in holy shield if you're using shield.

Much better to get HS from a scepter than waste points that could be spent beefing up the damage imo.

[Master Zap]

Much better to get HS from a scepter than waste points that could be spent beefing up the damage imo.

Holyshield scepter.. lol. These virtually dont exist. I've found several high runes since I've started this crazy game, but I've NEVER been able to find/trade or roll one of these sceptors. In fact, except for a screenie in the show off threads, Ive also never known anyone who had one either.

The code hasn't been completely rewritten, everything about the skill, slvl etc selection is the same, but in 1.11 (and I guess 1.10 as well, judging from what I've read) theres now a new factor that can limit skills to spawn on certain item types. In 1.09 the only skill that couldnt spawn on items (iirc) was poison dagger, which was a hardcoded check. Now, as RTB mentioned before, the itypea1 column in skills.txt (ONLY itypea1, not the rest if the itypexx columns or the etype ones) tells what items the specific skill can spawn on. However, this new function seems to have been implented rather poorly.

After it has selected a 'skill tier' (see first post) to choose a skill from, it loops SIX TIMES (for each skill) to see if it can find a valid skill (a valid skill must have matching itypea1 to the items type and it must not have already been selected). Each loop it randomly selects a new skill from the chosen tier, and checks if it is ok. If, however, it fails all 6 times to find a valid skill, it will STILL go on and select the skill that it tried last. And, it will not add that skill to the selected skills list, so it could select the same skill twice (not sure if it would simply add the skill levels together, or overwrite the first one).

Hopefully this will shed some light on things.



The game has to fail to spawn all other possible same-tier staffmods for HS to spawn on a scepter. You won't shop one capable of 4 or 5 sockets if that's your intent, as if the ilvl of the scepter is high enough to get that number of sockets, you'll be staring at all magical items at the vendor(no whites).

mephiztophelez
06-04-2008, 23:48
yes it can spawn.

however: Holy Shield on sceptres is INSANELY rare to find.

Ernir's Things You Should Know About D2, Section 17 (http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d2-general&t=1312543&p=1&#post1312543)

17. Can +to Holy Shield spawn on white scepters in 1.10/1.11?

Yes, they can. They are obscenely rare, but they can. Normally, Holy Shield is not allowed to spawn on sceptres. However, if the game has failed six times in finding an "allowed staffmod" for the sceptre, it picks the one that was rolled last, regardless of whether or not it is on the "allowed list".

If you do not want to take my word for it, here is a screenshot of one, provided by Nucularterraist. It was taken in early ladder season three.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v153/Ernir/bnetmoment/HolyShield.jpg
It has not been altered in any way. I didn't even crop the image to remove the sophisticated background chat.

The full, technical explanation can be found here, posted by Hammerman.
http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=3938307&postcount=50

Thanks to BIGeyedBUG for the link, and Gta-maloy] and Thrugg for the "old explanation".

Creon
13-05-2007, 03:28
Holy Shield is a level 24 skill. Here is the spawn process for Holy Shield as described by Orphan in another thread:
It would be possible to shop yes, but the odds of finding one would be highly unlikely. Holy Shield is a tier 5 skill. In order for it to spawn on a sceptor, it'll need to fail a tier 5 skill select 6 times, with the last selection being holy shield. Therefore, you'd be better off shopping with a character who's clvl is 41 or higher, in order to have a 50% chance of a staffmod remaining in teir 5.

The odds of you actually seeing a holy shield scepter though would be 1:279,936. This is a broad estimate though, as I only factored in the odds of remaining in Tier 5 and the odds of failing to get a valid staffmod 6 times. This is for a single staffmod. The odds of getting +3 to holy shield would probably be about 1:933,120 (based on the fact that the game would need to roll 90 or above out of the rand[100] in order to get +3). Again, this is only for a single staffmod.

If 3 skills were selected for the scepter, then the odds should increase, though you'd also need to consider the odds of the other 2 staffmods remaining in Tier 5. Basically, the only "ideal" level to try and purchase a +holy sheild scepter is any that is 41 or greater.


Socialism
13-05-2007, 12:24
Prepare to have a beard by the end of your shoppnig session, though.

PhatTrumpet
13-05-2007, 23:16
I don't know if it's applicable either just based on experience. If someone can post a screenshot of their Holy Shield scepter, please do but I don't think anyone can.
In all fairness, no realistic amount of personal experience can account for the astronomical odds listed in Orphan's post. It's entirely feasible that, due to the smaller size of the Classic community, no such scepter has been found yet by someone who actually knew enough to actually grab it up.

On the other hand, it's also entirely feasible that such a scepter is not spawnable in Classic...

VThief
15-05-2007, 03:58
Well so far I've spent allmost two hours at hell drognan, and haven't found one yet. I average about 12-13 seconds per run because I look at other stuff though.

I did find a nice +2 nec 20%fcr +3 bonespear wand, so it hasnt been a total waste of time.

Well, going of Orphan's post:

12 * 279,936 = 3 359 232s

= 933.12 hours

You could average 1 holy shield scepter every 38.88 days of constant shopping. That's cool...my music on my HD goes for about that long of constant play...

[theheft]

Ive got a +3 HS, +2 medi 2 socket magic scepter...admittedly bought off someone.

Didnt actually realise they were THAT rare.

[Master Zap]

Ive got a +3 HS, +2 medi 2 socket magic scepter...admittedly bought off someone.

Didn't actually realize they were THAT rare.

Can you post a screen shot of that please? I'd love to see that one. Is it on ladder?



edit:

wow that is officially the nicest or "best: scepter for the level Ive seen.

you didn't realize it was that rare, nor did the seller you got this from. You'd be missing an arm and leg and unable to post if you both aware of the chances of getting one of these.

Holyshield scepter is somewhat close to the rareness of a legit ZOD dropping from an eligible monster.

The only bonus the scepter has is it can be rolled from the npc

[theheft]

Non Ladder.

Piccy Below, pretty cool name from the prefix as well I think :D

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr185/heftylld/Screenshot028.jpg

[mmmpld]

To clear things up; it's only rare to see holy shield on white/gray items, apparently it is quite easy to shop on blue items.

[MYK]

Well, going of Orphan's post:

12 * 279,936 = 3 359 232s

= 933.12 hours

You could average 1 holy shield scepter every 38.88 days of constant shopping. That's cool...my music on my HD goes for about that long of constant play...


To clear things up; it's only rare to see holy shield on white/gray items, apparently it is quite easy to shop on blue items.

Quite easy indeed, if you've got a high threshold for boredom and are bored enough to shop for a Holy Shield scepter.

And to be relevant, don't use Peace and Insight. +2 to Crit isn't that big if you've got a +6 Insight..And you should, because you're serious about winning. I'd grab a light life armor with Rubies. If not that, a super vipermagi socketed with a Ruby or Thul depending on what you duel more often, or have one of each.

[theredpredator]

Well ive been duelling and this is what i wear:

max dmged Crown
Max dmged FHR armor /Peace (when wearing honor and insight)
Bloodfist
Honor in a dimensional blade^^ sexy
SOE belt
Tearhaunch greaves
Angelic set
Spirit in a crown shield with 100+ar and 50+ed.

Dmg with honor spirit: 709-2867 (without the CS thats+5 and 25% deadly strike oO)
Dmg with Insight: 1.9k -5.5k with 6 critical strike oO

So far im crushing low duels. Can take out anything without decent blockrate that has lvl>50

Even took out zome lvl 82 noobs who were like wtf hackxz?!!!!!!

Its quite hard to pwn lvl 70+ smiyters tough:D

[crawlingdeadman]

i've got a +2 holy shield rare scepter.

what realm L/NL are you, red?

[theredpredator]

Im on europe ladder mr kansas ^^

[theheft]

I decided to make one myself :D

Mana, resists and life are a little lacking, but once ive got hold of some better charms that'll soon be sorted.

Screenies below :D

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr185/heftylld/Screenshot049.jpg

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr185/heftylld/Screenshot031.jpg

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr185/heftylld/Screenshot032.jpg

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr185/heftylld/Screenshot033.jpg

Pretty pleased with it, once ive got rid of those grand charms and replaced them with 2/xx/15's and life resi or life mana small charms it should be looking a bit better.

The helm is for style only, its 60 max, 70 life gothic plate ive got on and pcrown looks horrible with it so I decided to get myself a red helm to go with the rest of the armour.

[mystified]

sorry got HS sceptre last ladder. admittedly rare but I got two. (both bluey and took a while...yes I am sad like that)
they are worth it. I mean most of LLd stuffs you need to shop from vendors :S

imo, peace is overpowered armour but not with insight. go honor two hand or something. That said, insight is powerful choice so insight + 3 sox mp with life with dmg jewels will be in good order i believe. next in line would be something like high def rare armour that you don't really need...since charge makes def 0 but heck, it looks cool :p

really go for 1~2 hit kills and will need to as a charger.

as for shield...meh, def bonus and block don't apply when you are charging. it just gets you stuck in that horrible charge bug. if your primal targte is a caster, than don't bother. (you won't need to shop for Hs sceptre!!)

as for skill point, consider what cdm said, and maybe a point in cleansing be nice for certain situations. you can go full on prayer too which makes you very very bad with insight. (not recommended for serious duelling)

PS: Hello all!!

[theheft]

Ahh mr mystified!

You've not been on for a while....Pm for you :D