View Full Version : Lol - Having trouble in hell
MysteryNotes
09-10-2008, 08:58
Hey all, lol its been a week since i asked a question:crazyeyes:
And im back again.
I've recently been having trouble in hell, especially with all the immunes around.
My lvl 75 Sorceress is using these gear:
Helm: Tal Rasha
Ammy:Tal Rasha
Body Armor:Tal Rasha
Boots:50% MF War Travs
Belt:Tal Rasha's 15%MF
Gloves:40% Chance guards(I swap to Magefists when im in hell)
Ring:2x 10% FCR rare rings with other mods
Weapon: 2Cold/Lightning 1 fire Tal Rasha's
Shield: 35% FCR Spirit Monarch
Lvl 75 Mercenary:
Helm: Crown Of Thieves 12% LL
Body Armor: Guardian Angel
Weapon: Insight Scythe
I've noticed that my mercenary is dying alot, and i suspect its because of the horrible resists he has(90% in NM, not sure what in hell)
But on some advice by a kind forumer, i've been told to change my merc's items for Treachery RW armor and a Reapers Toll Scythe.
Anyway, my sorceress is having trouble killing(Think 4-5 Chain Lightning to kill a Cold-Immune monster) and constantly running out of mana.
My skills are as follows:
Maxed FO/CL/Ice Bolt
Maxing Lightning at the moment , 1 in Every other skill except fire(Warmth 1 point of course) , and no points in Energy shield and frozen armor(the 3rd cold armor skill).
Is this normal, or do i need to change my equipment ?
I have no trouble with lightning immunes and fire immunes(Frozen Orb works great) but its the Cold Immunes i have trouble with.
What am i doing wrong ?
I should be able to kill decently in hell at my level, right ?
Currently have no Hellfire Torch or Annihilus ( Trying to find a cheap one >.<)
krischan
09-10-2008, 11:25
You would be better off with 2 Nagelrings and Magefists than with Chanceguards and 2 fcr rings. Together with full Tal's and 35% Spirit you will meet the 105%fcr breakpoint in both cases, but 2 Nagelrings add up tp 60% MF. Wearing both Magefists and fcr rings makes no sense. Better wear Frostbrand if you need more firepower instead of MF. It should be no problem to max resists with full Tal's.
I guess your sorc doesn't deal much lightning damage. Didn't you invest into lightning mastery ? My suggestion for a cold/lightning sorc:
Max FO
Max lightning
Max chain lightning
Max lightning mastery
1 point in teleport, frozen armor, warmth, static field, cold mastery
Further points either in charged bolt (lightning+CL synergy) or cold mastery.
While leveling, 1 point in the masteries as soon as possible, so save up 2 points for that before L30.
You merc dies a lot because he doesn't deal enough damage to leech back the life he loses. He needs Insight in an ethereal elite polearm, like a colossus voulge, thresher, cryptic axe or so. Take care that he meets the str reqs (see also below). Guardian Angel won't help him because he won't reach more then 75% res anyway in hell mode. Better give him an armor with IAS, like Treachery (also adds lots of res when fade is triggered) or Griswold's armor with IAS jewels (also adds 20 str which will help at meeting the str req of elite polearms)
MysteryNotes
09-10-2008, 13:22
Many thanks krischan :)
I'll max out my Lightning Mastery as soon as i can.
Trying to save up for a annihilus and sorceress torch, so might not be able to afford a eth cv/ca yet.
Voorhees
14-10-2008, 15:15
Trying to save up for a annihilus and sorceress torch, so might not be able to afford a eth cv/ca yet.
Even a non-eth elite insight goes a long way. For cheap merc gear, try tals mask and duriel's shell. If you baal here and there you can usually find an elite eth polearm without the inconvenience of paying for one. just keep an eye on what is dropping and be ready to grab it. Hell cows works well for this, too.
Give your merc infinity for a conviction aura. Also note that majority of good lite soso players dont use chain as their primary skill due to its lack of damage comparing with lightning. Also keep in mind your synergy to max the damage potential. Mastery is a must have, max it or dont skill it at all. IMO SoJ would be good for ya because you lack mana.
From what I've noticed, you have way too many Set on you. If you have a lot of HRS, get yourself HOTO, or some orb runeword. There are also very nice elite uniques for orb and staves. Spirit shield would do you good. And finaly, that 'forgotten' one level spell from fire tree called Warmth will do you good regarding the nature of your problem.
Voorhees
16-10-2008, 14:49
Give your merc infinity for a conviction aura.
From what I've noticed, you have way too many Set on you. If you have a lot of HRS, get yourself HOTO, or some orb runeword. There are also very nice elite uniques for orb and staves. Spirit shield would do you good. And finaly, that 'forgotten' one level spell from fire tree called Warmth will do you good regarding the nature of your problem.
Chances are, if he had a lot of hrs, he would not be wearing "too much set". Use your brain, that's what it's there for.
bruceAthor
16-10-2008, 14:57
Chances are, if he had a lot of hrs, he would not be wearing "too much set". Use your brain, that's what it's there for.
you don't need to be insulting when correcting others.
MysteryNotes
17-10-2008, 14:13
As a matter of fact, i am using a Spirit Shield.
Im using the set because someone suggested it.
its working fine except for the Hell part.
What other equipment would you suggest then ?
Chances are, if he had a lot of hrs, he would not be wearing "too much set". Use your brain, that's what it's there for.
At least I have something productive to say unlike your own dumbself
As a matter of fact, i am using a Spirit Shield.
Im using the set because someone suggested it.
its working fine except for the Hell part.
What other equipment would you suggest then ?
Like I said before in many other posts, set items are ****. They are good on Normal and Nightmare but not Hell, that is why you have troubles. BTW, what are your resistances?
Runewords. Not all of these are expencive. Just find some that you like from here:
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/runewords-110.shtml
Also, call to arms will boost your mana and hp
I ya'll better cool it off or I'll hand out a few temp bans.
Mursilis
17-10-2008, 19:35
I'd have to disagree that set items are not worth using in Hell. Tal Rasha's set is a prime example of very good endgame material for a dual element sorceress. Your character's equipment looks quite fine, but your mercenary could use a little help. I'd switch out the helm for a Tal's Mask for the added resistance, and slightlyl more LL. A Shaftstop may work out better for him than the Guardian Angel, since it's unlikely you'll be taking advantage of the possible 90% resistances from GA and 30% physical damage reduction isn't anything to sneeze at. He also needs a much better weapon. Insight is good, but make it in an elite base item instead of a normal one. Then he'll be able to leech quite a bit more life back and increase his survivability even more.
Beyond that just make sure your resistances are decent and you should be OK.
I'd have to disagree that set items are not worth using in Hell. Tal Rasha's set is a prime example of very good endgame material for a dual element sorceress. Your character's equipment looks quite fine, but your mercenary could use a little help. I'd switch out the helm for a Tal's Mask for the added resistance, and slightlyl more LL. A Shaftstop may work out better for him than the Guardian Angel, since it's unlikely you'll be taking advantage of the possible 90% resistances from GA and 30% physical damage reduction isn't anything to sneeze at. He also needs a much better weapon. Insight is good, but make it in an elite base item instead of a normal one. Then he'll be able to leech quite a bit more life back and increase his survivability even more.
Beyond that just make sure your resistances are decent and you should be OK.
Who knows. IMO, I just think they'll slow you down. Anyway, you can't deny superiority of RW to set or anything else, and I really think everyone should use them, because you can put together some ****ty runes and come with a bonus far greater than any unique item.
Good item for resistance is CoH. Don't see anything against it, only MAYBE if it's too expencive for an average player. But, since he has spirit already, I think he can afford it :P
Mursilis
17-10-2008, 23:01
The highest end runewords are better than almost anything else available, that is true. But to the average user those are out of the question (that includes CoH). As a result uniques, sets and lower end runewords are still quite viable as endgame material.
Kennoth, keep the swearing off the boards.
Ok. I thought it's free to swear since it's censored o.O
krischan
18-10-2008, 12:03
It's a bit more strict than in the OT forum here (and everywhere else but there). Triggering or bypassing the word filter is not acceptable. Also, the word filter is just a stupid program which cannot read between the lines, so it's not that everything is allowed which isn't caught by it ;)
Indeed. However, it's not like a use a 'REAL' swears :)
JacksonMe
18-10-2008, 22:18
LOL i remember you were playing in sGE! o.o
staying on topic, i think you should level. i think level does make a huge difference in pvm. my sorc survives so much better when she is lvl 90, as compared to when she was lvl 70+, or even low 80s.
and yeah max light mastery, after lightning.
MysteryNotes
19-10-2008, 01:34
Hmm, i'll try getting my sorceress's level up.
Shaftstop sounds decent to me, i'll get either that, or treachery.
I currently have an extra tal's mask, so i guess i'll swap my crown of thieves out for that(Actually, crown has more Lifesteal, but tals has the resistance :P) Now i just need to find a 4os elite polearm on US.West . lol.
My merc can't use a CV i think, so i'll probably have to go for a Cryptic Axe
Voorhees
19-10-2008, 07:31
At least I have something productive to say unlike your own dumbself
Ok, ok. Well, maybe I was a bit cranky. It does get a little tiresome that people that obviously don't have much always seem to get the "well, get all this expensive crap" post. You're right, though. Not my place to bring it up. If it's not already obvious, my saying so isn't going to make it so.
Never mind. I know what you're trying to say, but never asume anything. The poster of this thread did not post his wealth, and besides he DID have spirit shield, which is the purpose of my post: you do not have to be rich to make good runewords because there are good cheap combinations.
Cheers
Treachery is a good runeword for a merc the ias is something your gona need since you dont have an andy's visage helm for your merc (ias, life leech, str bonus) all those in one helm makes it quite nice. (I would suggest one of those if you can afford a pul or so) Besides the fade ability for the merc is excellent for low resistances, shaftstop should work fine though as well. Besides if you really wanted help with resistances make treachery then find a place like tristam with fire in it. Equip the treachery armor stand in the fire and wait for the "fade" ability to activate. Once it does switch it out for your tals or whatnot. (this works effectively well against ubers and Meph's nasty conviction aura there)
MysteryNotes
21-10-2008, 02:50
Sweet, thanks for all the suggestions guys :)
Will try it out, EndizzZ ,
Cheers!
jeremyrx
22-10-2008, 03:31
Hey I have a 4os CV you can have. You'll need to find an andy's visage in order to equip it though.
Let me know.
MysteryNotes
22-10-2008, 06:50
That'd be great jeremy.
Ill send you a message when i get online later this week.
Currently got exams on so i wont be online til friday(In-Game)
GoldenBird
24-10-2008, 07:14
I think one big reason is that you have chosen a hybrid build. With sorcys it's really hard.
I've personally found FO useless unless u have all the right gear for it and focus solely on it, even with the synergies. Lightning I think has more synergies and is more useful.
If the point of the hybrid was to take out the different immunes, I'll say it's better to just take one element and let the merc deal with immunes. A2 mercs (best type imo) are generally pretty strong even with crappy gear (incase you're not so rich).
I'm not an expert in gear, but atleast change the orb to an occy. Occys aren't too expensive and pwn tal rasha orbs.
MysteryNotes
24-10-2008, 09:40
I do have an occy.
But was advised to change it to tal rashas for the set.
Ah well, it works fine for me anyway =D
Mursilis
24-10-2008, 14:30
I think one big reason is that you have chosen a hybrid build. With sorcys it's really hard.
Not at all. Dual elemental sorceresses are a staple for untwinkled, first character play. Meteorbs and Blizzballers being two such examples. Single element builds are actually more difficult to use as the player character can't damage a significant percentage of monsters encountered. Fairly often the mercenary will be overwhelmed and require either bypassing the immune mob or a long drawn out fight where the mob is strung out and dealt with one monster at a time.
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