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can some one plz explain to me why bnet cant do anything about hacks such as tmc, farcast or nighlight?!?!? its simply ruining the game! i cant go into a good dueling game without a stupid fc zon comin in and nking and killin every 1. now why cant bnet detect and stop this?
i know farcast but what does nightlight(does it increase light radius?) and tmc do, what does tmc stand for?
poroboszcz
27-09-2008, 03:26
Tmc is a hack that allows you to meet any fcr and, I think, fhr and block breakpoints regardless the gear you are wearing. It's especially popular among hammerdins casting some ridiculous amount of hammers per second and can be easily spotted. I guess blizzard just don't care any more and I'd rather like them working on hack-proofing D3 than fixing 8 years old game..
superjayson
27-09-2008, 04:21
can some one plz explain to me why bnet cant do anything about hacks such as tmc, farcast or nighlight?!?!?
current date: sept 26 2008
date d2 was released: june 29 2000
notice the big 8 year gap ? thats why.
i think d2 fans have been blessed with the amount of effort they've put into patches and such. With how old this game is + the fact d3 is coming now nooooo oneeeee cares about d2 ;\
Tmc is a hack that allows you to meet any fcr and, I think, fhr and block breakpoints regardless the gear you are wearing. It's especially popular among hammerdins casting some ridiculous amount of hammers per second and can be easily spotted. I guess blizzard just don't care any more and I'd rather like them working on hack-proofing D3 than fixing 8 years old game..
....... omg wtf. thats retarded. haha ive seen the term thrown around in d2pk whenever im dueling but wow, thats really really lame.
i know that its 8 years old and all. i just dont understand how all the hacks/mods r undetectable now days that b net canot fix... i mean it couldnt really be that hard to do because of the fact that technolagy has improved alot. so why cant they detec and delet this mods? they ruin dueling alot.
superjayson
27-09-2008, 18:34
its not that they cant. its the fact they wont and dont care.
aa/tmc are can be countered for the most part. they're far from game-breakers. if you can't deal with them, then just be more selective with who you duel.
aa/tmc are pretty easy to spot, even if you can't prove it. get your dueling group to self-regulate who's allowed in. stay out of pub games if hacks bother you this much.
deadbeater
28-09-2008, 05:07
Or just don't duel period. The more a person wants to duel you the more likely he's experimenting with a hack.
wizAdept
28-09-2008, 18:59
Im amused at the fallacies stated in this thread.
dirtstar
28-09-2008, 19:55
i know that its 8 years old and all. i just dont understand how all the hacks/mods r undetectable now days that b net canot fix... i mean it couldnt really be that hard to do because of the fact that technolagy has improved alot. so why cant they detec and delet this mods? they ruin dueling alot.
8 years of support is a loooong time. Blizzard has gone beyond the distance for this title and I'd rather have them concentrate on next generation game.
As someone who works in software industry for some time, it is really hard and time consuming to keep updating products. Imagine this....
1. You have someone who reads support forums (tech support/qa). They take notes on problems and start to prioritize the issues.
2. They escalate it to a PM (project manager). They discuss with QA and Dev team to see if they have hours/manpower to address issues in order of importance. The make a list thats doable in a time frame (release cycle).
3. They bring it to the higher ups and discuss the cost vs ROI in meetings.
4. If it looks good, devs start with fixes(original developers are either gone or working on next gen, no one likes working on legacy stuff), release engineering starts the builds, QA starts testing and hope nothing breaks old functionality (regression).
5. Everything looks good, so now you have to prepare the site. You'll want to get the news out, so you tell the webmaster to post the news, news needs to get approved by marketing/press (typos and inline with Blizzard philisohpy).
6. After all this is done, you'll need to get backend operations involved (admins) to prep the site for 1000's of downloads. You'll probably want to get QA involved again to make sure the upgrade process is golden.
7. You release the software and pray it works and have support/qa to monitor the messageboards and email. Repeat process.
It's NOT VERY EASY....haha
^ Especially if you consider that D2 doesn't really bring in much revenue, since it's a 1-time-buy.
TMC is not really a gamebreaker as TienJe pointed out, it doesn't work perfectly (at like 100% efficiency), so what appears on their screen as 200% FCR might come to your screen as <200% FCR. It's still an unfair advantage, no doubt - but its possible to get around (unless you are a hdin vs a TMC windy).
AA is a little gayer :(. FC is spottable right away and just don't duel them.
mephiztophelez
29-09-2008, 05:22
i disagree that TMC isn't "gamebreaking". it most certainly is gamebreaking. 6frame smite, 125%fcr, 200FHR, grief/shako/enigma/hoz hammerdins? gimme a break. afaik: tmc allows you to set your IAS, FHR and FCR breaks without needing to chase those stats on gear.
it's when people go completely troppo and give themselves a 1-frame cast that it's just ridiculous. if you see a hammderdin do one cast animation and three hammers appear, or a nec firing out b-spirits faster than a 200fcr sork can pump out fireballs then bingo: thats a TMC user.
FC is spottable right away and just don't duel them.
stacked resists + t-gods + dwarfstar (for the MDR) > FC.
there is nothing BM about sorbing a hack user. in fact, i'd encourage you to do so.
all that said: i'm sick to death of hack users too.
hax = noob.
i disagree that TMC isn't "gamebreaking". it most certainly is gamebreaking. 6frame smite, 125%fcr, 200FHR, grief/shako/enigma/hoz hammerdins? gimme a break. afaik: tmc allows you to set your IAS, FHR and FCR breaks without needing to chase those stats on gear.
it's when people go completely troppo and give themselves a 1-frame cast that it's just ridiculous. if you see a hammderdin do one cast animation and three hammers appear, or a nec firing out b-spirits faster than a 200fcr sork can pump out fireballs then bingo: thats a TMC user.
stacked resists + t-gods + dwarfstar (for the MDR) > FC.
there is nothing BM about sorbing a hack user. in fact, i'd encourage you to do so.
all that said: i'm sick to death of hack users too.
hax = noob.
the most you can really speed up your animations is 1-2 frames. any faster and the server will reject them, meaning you'll just be firing blanks.
most of the time, people will use tmc just to allow them to hit max BP's without the necessary items, meaning the speed won't really increase that much; they'll just be able to have more stack/res/dr etc.
mephiztophelez
29-09-2008, 06:36
the most you can really speed up your animations is 1-2 frames. any faster and the server will reject them, meaning you'll just be firing blanks.
most of the time, people will use tmc just to allow them to hit max BP's without the necessary items, meaning the speed won't really increase that much; they'll just be able to have more stack/res/dr etc.
it's still noob, cheating lame crap whichever way you look at it.
wizAdept
29-09-2008, 07:22
gotta disagree with you dave, tmc certainly is game breaking.
what youre saying is like saying aa isn't gamebreaking. Sure you can outplay aa baddies just like you can outplay tmc baddies, but its not anywhere close to a fair duel, its just players sucking while cheating. Tell me any serious gm dueler wouldn't have an unfair advantage if he all of a sudden got a tmc fcr/fhr boost to his characters.. come on.
mainaman
29-09-2008, 15:58
fc can be done legitly , I am sure it was mentioned here , but I didn't read al lthe posts ..:crazyeyes:
Uncle_Mike
29-09-2008, 16:45
fc can be done legitly , I am sure it was mentioned here , but I didn't read al lthe posts ..:crazyeyes:
I don't think it was, then again not many people can farcast consistently, and they get accused of using hacks anyway :)
gotta disagree with you dave, tmc certainly is game breaking.
what youre saying is like saying aa isn't gamebreaking. Sure you can outplay aa baddies just like you can outplay tmc baddies, but its not anywhere close to a fair duel, its just players sucking while cheating. Tell me any serious gm dueler wouldn't have an unfair advantage if he all of a sudden got a tmc fcr/fhr boost to his characters.. come on.
i guess i need to qualify my statement:
tmc definitely isn't fair, but its not enough to make me quit the game. i constantly duel against people that tmc on d2pk and uswest, but its not enough to make me run away from d2.
so what ive goten from all this d2 isnt goin to make any effort to stop moders... thats sad because this has been my game for many many years. and many others
mephiztophelez
30-09-2008, 04:59
i constantly duel against people that tmc on d2pk and uswest, but its not enough to make me run away from d2.
i thought D2PK actually had an effective anti-hack stance..... oh well, i don't feel so bad about not being able to connect to it now (my ping to d2pk is substantially worse than my ping to USWest, and my ~260+ ping to west is irritating enough)
wizAdept
30-09-2008, 05:18
Yeah they do, but since youre dealing with a mainly jsp crowd there are a few who try to get away with stuff anyways, they do get locked and ip banned fairly quickly however. As one of the mods who goes around locking players and checking out accusations, I have to say there arent that there arent that many cheaters on d2pk, its mostly a legit crowd looking for legit duels. There are some fishy "regulars" however, however I think *most* of the accusations of such players cheating are false.
Have you tried/heard of apoc realm sambo.? I dont know much about it, have never played on it and apparently they use their own patch, but its some aussy location pvp server. idk if its worth checking out but might be worth a shot. There is another aus pvp server I heard of but the name evades my memory at the moment.
eud2pk would give you worse ping than d2pk =\
there are a few other pvp servers but I think they are all located on the east coast.
Uncle_Mike
30-09-2008, 06:21
This off-topic thread seems to be going too off-topic :)
We do not support private realms nor we encourage discussing them :whistling:
mephiztophelez
30-09-2008, 06:35
We do not support private realms nor we encourage discussing them :whistling:
fyi: private realms are in direct violation of the Diablo II EULA. if Blizzard wanted (or could be bothered) they could take the operators of said realms to court for breach of copyright, anyone directly involved with those realms (eg: modding the forums or checking for cheaters, hint hint w1zAd3pt, could also be liable). theoretically, anyone who plays on said realms could also find themselves in a bit of bother). it would be a lay-down misere court case too.
this is the main reason i haven't looked into them too closely.
(soz for the continued OT'ness unca mike, i'll stop now :thumbup:)
Perfect Hatred
30-09-2008, 17:17
Tmc is a hack that allows you to meet any fcr and, I think, fhr and block breakpoints regardless the gear you are wearing. It's especially popular among hammerdins casting some ridiculous amount of hammers per second and can be easily spotted. I guess blizzard just don't care any more and I'd rather like them working on hack-proofing D3 than fixing 8 years old game..
I met a wind druid who was able to chain lock me perfectly and although my hammerdin has 125 fcr this windy was teleporting faster than me. I thought it was because windys had better breakpoints but found out its not the case so definitely was tmc user. I also doubt its possible to chain lock without a hack since this is the only player that I have ever seen esstablish a chain lock on me.
Immediately when I left town he was on me and I couldnt tele away from him. I found the only way to kill him was to walk in from the cold plains to allow myself time to establish a defensive hammerfield. But still a very challenging duel and we ended up 3-3 (he used barb BO by the way which is of course ok).
Also I duelled a hammerdin with auto tp hack, whenever I hurt him below 50% of health he automatically made a tp and stepped through it. Finally after many attempts I managed to kill him because he ran out of tps lol. Quite frustrating when people hack but its just like crimes irl you have to put up with them and hope the perpetrators are dealt with eventually. Hoping for another bann wave by Blizzard. Fortunately hack users seems to be few in pub duels.
By the way I cant understand why some people compare "bad manner" with hacking. Bad manners are smart ways to crush your enemy while hacking is changing the rules of the game that Blizzard has made and violating the user agreement with Blizzard.
For some reason in almost every duel game my hammerdin is accused of tmc. Dunnow why really but I guess I have to take it as a compliment that people think I am so good it must be hacks :wink:
wizAdept
30-09-2008, 23:05
I also doubt its possible to chain lock without a hack since this is the only player that I have ever seen esstablish a chain lock on me.
^I lol'd
10char
mephiztophelez
01-10-2008, 02:00
^^ i'm lol'ing too.....
chainlocking isn't all that hard to do.
By the way I cant understand why some people compare "bad manner" with hacking. Bad manners are smart ways to crush your enemy while hacking is changing the rules of the game that Blizzard has made and violating the user agreement with Blizzard.
How much intelligence does it really take to pop on a pair of hotspurs, 2x dwarf, rising sun, and a Vex somewhere in your armor versus a fire sorc?
It's not "smart" to completely negate another character through ingame means, anyone can figure out "LOL I USE ANTI-FIRE GEAR VS FIRE SORC," such as in the prior example. It's bad mannered because you deprive your opponent of a fair fight, of any chance of winning - BMing with gear is similar to 3rd party programs in that regard.
If there was no BM vs GM and everyone just used any items, the only viable chars in 1v1 would be hammerdins, bone necs, and wind druids. Maybe smiters/ww, probably not though due to IM. LAWL AWESOME GAME, THREE WHOLE CHARS TO PICK FROM.
Is there some kind of hack where they can attack u without hitting u.. I was dueling a javazon with my barb yesterday and she wasn't even on my screen and as soon as I walked out of town I died.. At 1 point I even died while she was in town. everytime some1 walked into blood moor it said they were by her and she was nowhere near any1 and when she was she was just sitting there not even attacking. it was like facing some extremely godly auradin. Is this some type of hack?? *note my barb rarely has trouble dueling and never before has died in 1 hit
Is there some kind of hack where they can attack u without hitting u.. I was dueling a javazon with my barb yesterday and she wasn't even on my screen and as soon as I walked out of town I died.. At 1 point I even died while she was in town. everytime some1 walked into blood moor it said they were by her and she was nowhere near any1 and when she was she was just sitting there not even attacking. it was like facing some extremely godly auradin. Is this some type of hack?? *note my barb rarely has trouble dueling and never before has died in 1 hit
farcast
its a bug of the game (some third-party programs enhance it though) where the zon can cast charge strike instantly from any distance as long as they have you namelocked.
wizAdept
01-10-2008, 19:57
just to clarify what TienJe said, the in game bug requires a namelock and can be done manually, what you experienced sh25 was the farcast cheat where the zon can fc without establishing a namelock first, it acts like autoaim farcast from offscreen and yes that is a cheat if the zon was never on your screen.
Wow that sux I hope she gets banned lol I hate ppl that hack in pvp the most. like duping pisses me off but pvp hacks just ruin dueling
boogyman19946
04-10-2008, 04:55
you guys forgot... fc is a mod that is injecting absolutely nothing into the d2 dll/mpq/exel files which is exactly what warden scans. it not only scans these files but also the programs that are running on your pc , or so i heard. what it doesn't do, is roam your hard drive to detect hax... if that was possible, fc modders would be butt raped long time ago. tmc is much harder case and i haven't thought of a logical answer why it can't be "fixed". maybe they don't care, or maybe... hmm, i'll examine the works of that mod and see what i can conlude. as far as the third goes, nightlight, i have no clue what that is because i have never encountered it.
Uncle_Mike
04-10-2008, 07:22
Do not download hacks, you do know that they quite often come with keyloggers and other ugly stuff?
Anyway, this one is :closed:
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