MF Zon

[BusX]

Hi all, I'm interested in making a zon strictly to magic find in hell, but this would be my first MF character, so I have a few questions:

1. Does a zon even make a decent MF'er?

2. What kind of build would I be looking at?

3. Where would be the best places to magic find? (Maybe different builds for different locations too?)
4. What kind of stats would I be aiming for (other than MF!)? IAS BP/Vit/Str/etc.

Any answers to these questions would be appreciated, and if there is already some sort of MF zon guide out there, please link it if it's any good, I had no luck with the search function.

Thank You.

[KremBanan]

1. Yes
2. Javazon would be the best mf'er. Strafe is a good skill to have on switch for Lightning Immunes
3. Java does Cows, Shenk, Eldricht and Pindle very easily. If you have a Infinity Merc, you can do CS and Baalruns also.
4. Enough str/dex for gear for a Javazon. NN max block for a mf-Javazon. 0 in energy.

[NASE]

Amazons make one of the best mf-character in the game, evenmore if you count in the fact that they are considered more fun - due to a bit more challeging gameplay - then some other builds, think hammerdin.
The only thing though you need to consider is that amazons make bad boss runners. Almost nobody uses their amazon to teleport past everything and then kill just the monsters in the way of the boss. Other fast teleport builds are better.

So then what can an amazon do. amazons are one of the fastest killer in the game when it comes to killing speed in high populated areas. And that's exactly what most of us do. Then make some sort amazon, pick an area that is interesting and start running that area over and over.

Are amazons good first characters? Not really I believe. It is doable though not as easy. Surviving in hell without equipment is hard, and there aren't many area's in nightmare that are interesting - can't think of any right now.
Therefore, consider first making a sorcerer or something else that is good at running nightmare mephisto or hell andy untill you get some items. Trade those items for pgms, and use those pgms to build an amazon.

the places you want to be running eventually are the cow level, alvl 85 area's - the mausoleum, pit, ancient tunnels and some not interesting - and the big two - river of flame+chaos with diablo and world stone keep with baal.
the cow level and the pit are what I would aim for, both are quite popular and quite easy.

As for builds, certainly have a look at the stickies and pay close attention to the fishyzon and wws strafeazon.
And perhaps this can be useful too.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6715144&postcount=19

Mf is all about getting better items for yourself. This doesn't always mean stocking up on as much mf as possible. Not only will this slow you down to much, it isn't needed either. Most of those places have decent chances to drop white/gray items that are often used in runewords - berzerker axes, phaseblades, vortexshields... - Some consider it atleast as interesting as not more interesting then going for full mf and you gain the benefith of high killing speed as you don't need to make any sacrifises - and you cover different items then your mf/bossrunner covers.

[Neuuubeh]

NASE posted some very good info there :p. Personally I cant recommend you an amazon for a first character, for me that build needs a solid base to make it work, but then it is amazingly fun :P.
You should be able to easily make a javazon for cows tho - as long as you skill up properly and use basic cheap items such as Razortail and hopefully titans (you could get low ed for free.. :) ) there is little you could do wrong. Dont expect to flatten everything in sight in 8player games tho ;).

Cant really comment on bowazons :) Never tried one

[lumpor]

You can make a lightning fury zon and run cows. It's quite a gamble. You can run cows for weeks and not get anything of interest, or you can run it for a day and get an etheral superior 4 socket giant thresher and become a rich man (or woman).

Also quite a good way to get high runes, although you still shouldn't count on it, since it's still so absurdly random

[BusX]

Thanks for all the info guys, i've been looking around the forums some more, and it seems like a light javazon seems to be the way to go, but I was just wondering if there is any reason that a bowazon wouldn't make a good MF'er since an Atma's will nullify any immunities.

[lumpor]

Multishot and strafe are both great crowd killing, but lightning fury is THE crowd killing skill (except CE and frozen orb and blessed hammer etc).

Strafers are quite good in the pits though, but you'll need either a windforce or a "faith" grand matron bow, or your killing speed just won't cut it (wws could work, but there are much faster options)

[KremBanan]

I was just wondering if there is any reason that a bowazon wouldn't make a good MF'er

This is because a physical bowazon is very much depends on her bow. And if this is your first char, you will not have a decent bow.

[Neuuubeh]

Offtopic, I wouldnt say that frozen orb or blessed hammer are as good as lightning fury for crowd killlings - true, needs an infinity to handle with immunes, but the speed/damage as well as range (seriously, how far can it reach out? 3 screens??) are amazing.

[BusX]

Thanks again for answering my questions, I'll be starting a light javazon to MF with, but what do you guys recommend for light immunes? Strafe/multi seems like a bad idea cause I would need plenty of attack rating to even hit monsters. Are the poison java skills worth using? Or maybe cold/ice/freezing arrow with a bow on switch?

Sorry for all these questions, I'm still new to this game, but any responses will be appreciated, thank you!

[KremBanan]

Vs Lightning Immunes you use Jab. And if you can get hold of Demon's Arch javelins and a Tiamat's Rebuke shield, you will do even better with Jab vs LIs.

[BusX]

Wouldn't I need alot of IAS/AR type gear for Jab to hit and do decent damage? I'm not quite sure how it works, but I'm pretty sure it's just like a melee attack.

[KremBanan]

Jab is melee yes, but you dont need much to use it effectively.

[Ugla]

..any reason that a bowazon wouldn't make a good MF'er since an Atma's will nullify any immunities.

Amplify damage lowers enemy physical resistance by 100%, but it only works with 1/5 efficiency against immunes, much like Lower Resistance curse, or Conviction aura against elemental resistances.

Since there are no items with -x% enemy physical resistance that would further weaken broken PIs, you will damage them with 20% efficiency at best. On the other hand, you will break all natural PIs.

Physical bowzons are thus adept at running places like the Pit, or the Chaos Sanctuary with no natural PIs, but containing natural LIs. In other places, pure lightning build gains the upper hand due to its superior damage output. Also, caster gear often gets some MF as a bonus.

Lightning/physical hybrids are quite gear-dependent to be good MF starters, and light/poison hybrids are inferior to both LF/FA and pure lightning in terms of general usefulness.

You can check my guide (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=601100) on pure lightning javazons for more detail on these, or NF's LF/FA (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=464188) hybrid..

[AlexT]

My Fast-tele Lightning fury Mf Ama

....I used this build in last season and it`s go(o)d....maybe this help

Helm: Shako topazed
Armor: Enigma
Weapon: Titans
Shield: Rhyme runeword
Belt: Arachnid Mesh
Glowes: Chance guards
Boots: War travellers
Ring1: 27+ Nagelring
Ring2: SoJ
Amulet: Highlors or Mara`s

Inventory:Ama-torch, Annihilus, Gheeds, 1xjava skiller, some 5@rez SC (i always leave at least 16 spaces to pick up items)

Weapon Switch (very important): Wizardspike, Spirit Shield with at least 29 FCR - will explain later

Mercenary: so without Infinity some areas are still hardcore !
Wapon: infy
Armor: Stone or Fortitude (stone is much more cheaper)
Helm: Vampire Gaze

The main goal: 99FCR, +skills, at least 300 MF

When u switch the weapons the wizarspike has 50 FCR..Spirit 29 FCR..Arach 20 FCR..
so 50+29+20=99 FCR and u hit your breakpoint for teleport
With Wizzy and Spirit you have enough rezistances to ignore enemies while teleporting. Here I asume that u have 1 point in dodge/avoid/evade at least 1 in Valkyrie and Mercenary. S u laugh at every enemy :)

Skill distribution:

20 in Lightning Fury, Lightning Strike, Charged Strike, Lightning Bolt
In passive and magic make sure u put 1 point in each skill...in valkyrie i often put 4 or more
bow and xbow: none

Stats:
Strenght - enough for Monarh 156, with enigma, torch and ani a base of 60 is more than enough
Dex: enough for max block, but u can add more for + phiscal and valkyrie dmg
Vital: remaining points here
Mana : none

Hope this help...happy mf ing

[NASE]

My Fast-tele Lightning fury Mf Ama

may I quote you on this?

P.S. what does dex have to do with valk damage.
P.P.S. I don't know when we start discussion tele amazons, anyway:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=650637

[AlexT]

may I quote you on this?

P.S. what does dex have to do with valk damage.
P.P.S. I don't know when we start discussion tele amazons, anyway:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=650637

If u add dex your physical dmg increases and valk gains percent dmg bonus of your dmg...sorry if i`m wrong

and in most cases i read builds and I try to modify for my liking....and my ama is made for mf ing !!

[lumpor]

I think you're mixing stuff together with a decoy. Decoys life is based on your own life.

Valks do get stronger by points in most passives though

[Neuuubeh]

My Fast-tele Lightning fury Mf Ama


I dont think changing Razortail for arachs is a good move - razortail potentially increases your damage output pretty much exponentially with larger groups.. If I were you I'd keep a crafted 20 fcr amulet in inventory. For long teleing, switch it over your regular one.

Well I do that already anyhow :D

[tinncann25]

Well if you are geared trading up razor for arach is not a bad idea especially if you are looking to tele with wiz and spirit. Arach adds an extra point into pierce, which is def not as good as the pierce on razortail but its also not that bad.

also hitting that 99fcr bp allows you to tele slow, but fast enough that if you tele into a pack you dont die before you can get out. I know this tele before you die concept depends a lot on you fhr, but the 75 resis + 35 on spirit definitely dont hurt in staying alive till you get that tele off, and also 55fhr on spirit.

[Neuuubeh]

To each their own, I dont see a reason to NOT use a 20fcr amulet, if you are already using Highlords or similar, which in my opinion is definately not the best javazon amulet. Much less mara.

[Tigerballs]

The Cats Eye Is a good Java Ammy

Question about crafting ammies..

What ammy type has the best stats for a Java MFer Ammy?

[NASE]

Depending on what kind of amazon you are going to make, you'll have to chose between blood amulets and safety amulets.

Bloodcrafts come with a beautiful combination of frw and lifeleech. Combine this with 2 skills, high resistances and possibly mana leech and you have a very good amulet for a physical/elemental build. However, I'm wondering if a bow build wouldn't want to have ias on it's amulet.
If you don't need ias, this is the best, no question about it.

Safety craft have a very nice mod called Increased Chance Of Blocking. This means that you will need much less dexterity to hit max block. This seems like the best craft for amazons that don't need high dexterity to boost their physical damage. The most popular example is the fishyzon.
Note that this is good because less dex means more life. I myself have one that has max block and to much dex at level 88 and she only has 150 dex. Imagine what life I would have lost if I needed 250 dex.

However, you doesn't have to look at amazons alone. Amazons have poor fcr - so unless you want a teleporting build, caster amulets aren't useful. However, all the other classes will want on of these. There are but few other builds that doesn't want caster amulets. Now the ingredients for blood amulets are about as expansive as caster amulets, so if you think about it economically, crafting blood amulets isn't smart as the return will not be as good as those from caster amulets.

[lumpor]

NASE, bow builds with no need for ias would probably choose Atma's

[KremBanan]

What ammy type has the best stats for a Java MFer Ammy?

I would say +2amaskills/25mf/and mods like str/dex/res/mana/life/frw

[deadbeater]

My Fast-tele Lightning fury Mf Ama


When u switch the weapons the wizarspike has 50 FCR..Spirit 29 FCR..Arach 20 FCR..
so 50+29+20=99 FCR and u hit your breakpoint for teleport
With Wizzy and Spirit you have enough rezistances to ignore enemies while teleporting. Here I asume that u have 1 point in dodge/avoid/evade at least 1 in Valkyrie and Mercenary. S u laugh at every enemy :)



Hope this help...happy mf ing

So...all this fcr and you are going twice as slow as fully equipped pal and even more slowly vs singing barb and sorc. Hmm.

I would just walk in like a gangsta and kill everybody. It's faster that way. Nobody in the corner has swagger like the zon.

[DH Amazon]

So...all this fcr and you are going twice as slow as fully equipped pal and even more slowly vs singing barb and sorc. Hmm.

With 99fcr, ama has 12 frame tele, thats good enough for big bosses. And good luck with 12/2 or faster tele. And teleing with ama is more or less to keep merc safe and jumping over some gaps, best area runner anyway, no need to kill just boss.

You lose maybe 1-2 s compared to sorc when teleing middle of chaos, no big deal.
And maybe around 5 s while teleing to throne, not bad either. Maybe little more if you just measure tele-speed, but you gain couple of seconds in town as you run faster there.

Planning my 2nd tele-ama. Aiming that 99fcr too (25+35+20+19). I want to get that 99fcr while holding jav, so little different approach. Previous one was pure bow-ama, this time testing java-version.