View Full Version : so how does someone KILL a trapper?
the closest match i did was a hybrid zon, i dont have a barb or a pally or necro.. but i did have a 35k light sorc, and it got fried. i think he said his trapper has 112fcr? isnt that a bp? im building a charger/smiter at the moment but i was wondering what equipment should i use to kill a trapper? i dont want to make a hdin. or in any case, if a smite/charger cannot kill a trapsin, what character CAN? thanks.
the closest match i did was a hybrid zon, i dont have a barb or a pally or necro.. but i did have a 35k light sorc, and it got fried. i think he said his trapper has 112fcr? isnt that a bp? im building a charger/smiter at the moment but i was wondering what equipment should i use to kill a trapper? i dont want to make a hdin. or in any case, if a smite/charger cannot kill a trapsin, what character CAN? thanks.
trappers are probably one of the strongest pvp builds overall when controlled by a good player. i think your best bet will be some sort of melee character with a bit of lightning +max res (charger/smiters are good). necros can beat them as well, but thats much closer to a 50/50.
yeah tienje, i used and followed your pvp zon hybrid very well with minor tweaks and man.. i just dont get how that stunlock just rapes you. i understand that the more fhr you have, the faster you get out of stun lock but are there other ways to bypass it? and since assassins teleport, i have enigma on my paladin, should i tele and charge or tele smite or have a tele charge then smite? i also understand that fade gives dr per level, so basically that would hinder smite a little bit too right? here is what i have .. tell me if its doable?
helm: shako (what to socket here?)
amulet: 2pally/9%fcr/27str/18dex with some minor mods
rings: raven / bk
belt: dungos
shield: upgraded hoz (what to socket?)
weapon: astreon's ward (UM'd)
glove: dracul's.
boot: gore riders.
anything i should switch? should i use exile vortex instead of hoz?
BAMFSpecialOps
08-09-2008, 00:25
WSG is your friend, whenever you get into a mindblast lock, or stuned by trappers, walk away while pressing the weapon switch button(default 'W') fast.
whats WSG? and what if he keeps stun locking me, continue to walk away?
yeah tienje, i used and followed your pvp zon hybrid very well with minor tweaks and man.. i just dont get how that stunlock just rapes you. i understand that the more fhr you have, the faster you get out of stun lock but are there other ways to bypass it? and since assassins teleport, i have enigma on my paladin, should i tele and charge or tele smite or have a tele charge then smite? i also understand that fade gives dr per level, so basically that would hinder smite a little bit too right? here is what i have .. tell me if its doable?
helm: shako (what to socket here?)
amulet: 2pally/9%fcr/27str/18dex with some minor mods
rings: raven / bk
belt: dungos
shield: upgraded hoz (what to socket?)
weapon: astreon's ward (UM'd)
glove: dracul's.
boot: gore riders.
anything i should switch? should i use exile vortex instead of hoz?
use a grief and tgods, exile if you need the life tap.
charge will usually work better against a trapper, but the occasional desync tele/smite would work wonders as well.
whats WSG? and what if he keeps stun locking me, continue to walk away?
WSG is "Weapon Switch Glitch" it's a glitch in which by hitting "w" to switch from your main to secondary weapons you reset, so to speak, your Hit-Recovery Animation. This effectively allows you to get out of locks caused by the trapper.
mephiztophelez
08-09-2008, 06:40
i usually kill trappers by reducing them to zero health before they do the same to me :)
ok, not very helpful i know.... the trick is not to get stunlocked. if the MB you, break off the attack until the swirlies go away and regroup for another attack.
you're lit sork shouldn't have many hassles with a wep/shield trapper, but against a c/c one, your at a distinct disadvantage.
a charge/smite pally should do ok'ish, learn how to telesmite.
yeah the sin was a dual claw trapper. really tough.. took 1/4 hp but she broke my es easily. im thinking of a BvC however.. if i get stunlocked, would i walk away from it too? and telesmiting, i get the concept but i need a lot of fcr to get a good tele right?
i personally think that bvc vs trapper is overrated. a good trapper will always rape bvc in gm ft5 (assuming gm = tgods or similar).
anyways, i think what causes most trouble for most (average) trap players are very good necros, VTs/smiters (max charge helps), potentially bvc.
however, a good trapper can beat all of those.
very good windies and hammerdins can get even good trappers into trouble but this is only if you are very experienced on those characters and familiar with all the subtleties of those builds and if you are a very seasoned namelocker. hammerdin should go for 2 hit kills via 15k damage setup to stand a chance.
wizAdept
08-09-2008, 14:19
i personally think that bvc vs trapper is overrated. a good trapper will always rape bvc in gm ft5 (assuming gm = tgods or similar).
anyways, i think what causes most trouble for most (average) trap players are very good necros, VTs/smiters (max charge helps), potentially bvc.
however, a good trapper can beat all of those.
very good windies and hammerdins can get even good trappers into trouble but this is only if you are very experienced on those characters and familiar with all the subtleties of those builds and if you are a very seasoned namelocker. hammerdin should go for 2 hit kills via 15k damage setup to stand a chance.There aren't too many "good" trappers though, while a good trapper will take down a good barb, an average bvc will pk the **** out of the average trapper a player may run into. Personally I find bvc to be a very effective character for stomping 99% of c/c trappers, takes very little effort most of the time, stomp vroom vroom dead trapper. Of course its a whole different story and a very difficult duel if the bvc is dueling someone that knows what they are doing.
Its kinda like necro vs trapper, on the average vs average player balance, I hear a lot of necros whine about how impossible it is to avoid getting stunlocked, on the higher end of gameplay however necros are one of the hardest matchups for pure trappers because of how impossible it is to keep them stunned or even get ls to hit them, even with good namelocking and fb stomping.
There aren't too many "good" trappers though, while a good trapper will take down a good barb, an average bvc will pk the **** out of the average trapper a player may run into. Personally I find bvc to be a very effective character for stomping 99% of c/c trappers, takes very little effort most of the time, stomp vroom vroom dead trapper. Of course its a whole different story and a very difficult duel if the bvc is dueling someone that knows what they are doing.
Its kinda like necro vs trapper, on the average vs average player balance, I hear a lot of necros whine about how impossible it is to avoid getting stunlocked, on the higher end of gameplay however necros are one of the hardest matchups for pure trappers because of how impossible it is to keep them stunned or even get ls to hit them, even with good namelocking and fb stomping.
no u suk :yes:
p.s. did you stop playing d2pk? my old friends seem to be disappearing :(
wizAdept
08-09-2008, 17:35
nah I just havent been on too much, soul calibur 4 keeping me busy at the moment :P lovin it
I am feeling like I need a pk fix now though <.<
nah I just havent been on too much, soul calibur 4 keeping me busy at the moment :P lovin it
I am feeling like I need a pk fix now though <.<
nerd :wave:
wizAdept
08-09-2008, 19:02
I prefer the term addict. And you will pay for that comment out in the moor next time I see you sir.
I prefer the term addict. And you will pay for that comment out in the moor next time I see you sir.
alpha-geeks are "in" these days apparently
Perfect Hatred
08-09-2008, 21:58
the closest match i did was a hybrid zon, i dont have a barb or a pally or necro.. but i did have a 35k light sorc, and it got fried. i think he said his trapper has 112fcr? isnt that a bp? im building a charger/smiter at the moment but i was wondering what equipment should i use to kill a trapper? i dont want to make a hdin. or in any case, if a smite/charger cannot kill a trapsin, what character CAN? thanks.
A hammer works fine. 1 point holy shield and rest in resist lightning to get + max lightning resist. Put on thundergods vigour belt and 2 20% wisps rings and you are immune. For a hammer to die to a trapper is a disgrace.
A hammer works fine. 1 point holy shield and rest in resist lightning to get + max lightning resist. Put on thundergods vigour belt and 2 20% wisps rings and you are immune. For a hammer to die to a trapper is a disgrace.
erm... :whistling:
A hammer works fine. 1 point holy shield and rest in resist lightning to get + max lightning resist. Put on thundergods vigour belt and 2 20% wisps rings and you are immune. For a hammer to die to a trapper is a disgrace.
Oh oh oh, don't forget Lightsabre, and Hotspurs+Rising Sun if the bad sin tries to BM you with FB. That should do it :coffee:
mephiztophelez
09-09-2008, 01:08
A hammer works fine. 1 point holy shield and rest in resist lightning to get + max lightning resist. Put on thundergods vigour belt and 2 20% wisps rings and you are immune. For a hammer to die to a trapper is a disgrace.
typical nub hammerdin tactics: pile on the sorb.
you know, a good hammerdin doesn't need any sorb to do well in vs all duels.
A hammer works fine. 1 point holy shield and rest in resist lightning to get + max lightning resist. Put on thundergods vigour belt and 2 20% wisps rings and you are immune. For a hammer to die to a trapper is a disgrace.
eh, too many hammers on any realm. ill pass. and 1pt in HS means more dex which means less life. >_>
Uncle_Mike
09-09-2008, 06:26
eh, too many hammers on any realm. ill pass. and 1pt in HS means more dex which means less life. >_>
The difference in blocking is negligible, the problem is that you end up with much less defense on light aura builds.
zzzackkk
11-09-2008, 01:55
I'd say BvC has the best overall chance, even though I've never heard nor seen a really good BvC vs. a really good trapper. You can avoid stunlock by WW'ing. Can usually make a sin KB out of traps or run/tele away because of leap which might give you some kind of advantage while she's further from her traps. Widowmaker gives quite a bit of scare to the camping sins too. If they tele onto you, shift WW long enough to know it's safe to tele away and wait for the next move by her. Maybe this isn't applicable vs. good trappers, but against all of the ones I've played, this seems to work alright.
stuslegend
11-09-2008, 15:43
bowzon > trappers all day all night
bowzon > trappers all day all night
i rather think a good trapper should give every zon a quick 5-0^^
but standard 65 cc trappers could get into trouble vs good bowzons i guess
@perfecthatred: every post of you that i read is pathetic, reminds me of akumaxyz. he also talked big 24/7 and sucked in real duels :pancake:
yeah... trapsin > bowa. im pretty good with bowa but the mb just owns hard.
If the bowa has knockback and hits with the first arrow the trapper is dead .
because of infinite kb chain m i rite karkarkar
not if they tele fast and get close to you and mb you. .____. iso mass zon vs trapsin vids tien.
not if they tele fast and get close to you and mb you. .____. iso mass zon vs trapsin vids tien.
yea my post was meant to be satirical :whistling:
pure trapers are piece of cake for any char with increased resistances above normal (75 %) and 1 piece of absorb.
my friend have palabear dualdreamer with 95 % res (have points in res light aura and wears guradian) and he just laugh at them...
hybrid with ww is much more dangerous
wizAdept
22-09-2008, 22:34
Not really.. hybrid would get oversorbed as well in bm, then its just a weak wwsin relying on ow damage to kill? who wouldn't just town in bm.
I think this thread was more about how to kill trappers in gm dueling where there is a 85res *or* 1 piece sorb rule, oversorbing is always an option but thats bm and if it gets bm the trapper can just play bm, playing just as a stun character while a teammate kills the opponents, no need for trap damage in bm it does not matter if the trapper is getting oversorbed.
Not really.. hybrid would get oversorbed as well in bm, then its just a weak wwsin relying on ow damage to kill? who wouldn't just town in bm.
I think this thread was more about how to kill trappers in gm dueling where there is a 85res *or* 1 piece sorb rule, oversorbing is always an option but thats bm and if it gets bm the trapper can just play bm, playing just as a stun character while a teammate kills the opponents, no need for trap damage in bm it does not matter if the trapper is getting oversorbed.
you just killed a trapper with that run-on sentence :crazyeyes:
wizAdept
23-09-2008, 02:13
I suppose some of those commas coulda been periods.
<.<
grammah nazi
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