THE way to get rich, which one is it?

[ultrabuse]

1. MFing bosses all day long (skip mobs)
2. Get loads of keysets and farm organsets/torches
3. Hellforge-running (<- this one i find tempting since i have two accs meaning i can boost myself, but is it worth the time?)
4. Area-clears, instead of running past all the mobs on the way to meph, baal etc you kill them


Note that im a summoner without enigma (i use a amu with tele to move my army as needed).
Which one of these ways would fit me best? (I know I started a thread with almost the same subject, but I didnt include hellforge and key-running)

Thanks in advance

[BluntmanTM]

I have been experimenting with different methods to build wealth too, and imho, organ-farming is the most efficient. Not tried using my necro, just because he doesnt have eni... yet...

I spend a couple of days rushing people for their hf (with my lamerdin) and got plenty of hels, io's, lums and one mal. One. Not worth the time I spent!

I mf-run with my sorc/lamerdin (including key-running ofc) and find some useful stuff together with plenty of keys. Smiter turns them into organs, and they go for mal each, pretty easily. Shifted 8 organsets the other day => 6 mals and an ist.
The only problem is that I need to use the lamerdin to clear both the matrons den and the furnace. Cheapo smiter gets mullered by IM and those darn witches...

This is all to buy an eni for my necro, so that I can experiment with using him for the organ-farming, and not have to swap characters to kill all three mini-ubers.

If you are doing it without eni, i'd try area clearing, together with key-running. Not sure what the ilvl of the monsters in the key-areas are (on here somewhere, I seen it!), but surely thats worth a go.
Noticed someone saying that "mf-running" pits etc. with no mf is good to get whites/socketables - they often go for more than uniques, what with everyone making runewords...

Just my 2p... gl!

[Damric]

keep in mind that gem farming, then either trading the gems for pul runes, crafting, and re-rolling charms is another good wealth builder that you can do at the same time as your other grinding. Also socket finding with zero magic find, clearing large areas is a good way to gather wealth because people that make high rune items generally spend at least 1/3 of the item's value in runes on the actual item.

[mephiztophelez]

for ladder, i like option 5:

#5: ditch all MF gear and hunt for quality socketable itamz. duped roonz are a dime-a-dozen, quality socky gears to shove 'em in are a somewhat rarer commodity.

i did a combination of that and #2 (specifically d-key farming, which i did with 0% mf and found a bunch of nice elite pally shields around Nihlathak) and built up a tidy pile of pixels during ladder three.

[Ed from Russia]

I think the most efficient method is running Mephisto with a Cold/Lightning sorc. So option #1. For a Skellymancer I think the most effective is to run the WSK, perhaps not clearing whole areas but certainly kill every monster in your path.

I've never tried keyset/organ running but IMO it takes too long and too often the Torch you get is a 12/11 Assassin one. I've also never rushed people for hf drops, but I make lots of characters and always get to hf, and it's too rare that I get an Um or better for it to be effective.

It's a good question though - should have been posted in the community forum.

[iewcce]

Clearing trav is fast and easy with skellymancer, try that perhaps:)

[ultrabuse]

Thanks for the input guys

[Cppo-The-Wild]

crafting is good one too. needs a 93+ lvl and some resources to get the most out of it though

-Cppo

[Ed from Russia]

Clearing trav is fast and easy with skellymancer, try that perhaps:)

But you'd spend half the time raising your army. That's why for summoners I prefer longer runs:

Pits -> Andy -> Travi -> Mephisto -> WSK

[Dearid]

remember that you can use the bodys at the entrance to nihalathak if you haven't killed him to raise your army fast

[balkan]

But you'd spend half the time raising your army. That's why for summoners I prefer longer runs:

Pits -> Andy -> Travi -> Mephisto -> WSK

Yeah. I usually go almost all the way too:
I get my minions up and running in the black marsh and if the tower is nearby i start with a countess run. Then:
Pits -> Lower Kurast -> Trav -> Meph -> Eldrich + Shenk -> WSK+baal. Sometimes pindle, although he has never dropped me anything remotely good.

[mephiztophelez]

But you'd spend half the time raising your army. That's why for summoners I prefer longer runs:

Pits -> Andy -> Travi -> Mephisto -> WSK

trav's good if you are packing on huge amounts of goldfind.

my run is usually: pindle, eldritch, shenk, trav, walk from durance 2 WP to meph, then maybe the Pit or the river of flame (hephasto is actually worth it to wallop).

[NumtyDoo]

I got my wealth last season from skillers and socketables. Had a pally skiller with 39 life, a trap skiller with 40 life and a sorc cold with 38. They were enough to completely pimp my fishy.

[Painman]

The best runs to do IMO are the ones where you know what you're going to get, and you know what the commodity is worth. That's gems, runes, keys. You don't have total control over the frequency, but 40 pgems/keyset is a guaranteed Pul. Socketables are good money too, but random. My current scheme is to run Nihl for keys, killing everything on the way there for socketables/runes/charms/gems. Using a WF Bowazon to do this, FWIW. I usually finish the run with something worthwhile in my pocket, even if it's just a couple of cheap runes/gems - it all adds up.

Fishymancers are pretty terrible keyrunners w/o Teleport, so for that guy I'd stick to gems, runes, charms and socketables - the usual area MF fare (which ironically, tends to not generate much in the way of good magic items).

[Niklet]

For a summoner who should be using his DPS potential as much as possible, the Pits and Ancient Tunnels are the best areas. This is assuming no maphack, of course. Necros are slow and their MF speed at running bosses is not in the same league as teleporters. They are much much faster when multiple monsters are involved.

You can throw in Pindle/Shenk if you're fast/want to do more with each run.

However, in my experience, the absolute best way to get rich is to run the countess repeatedly with a sorc, with occasional bugged Mephy runs when that gets boring. That way you always have a steady source of income, with the potential for something huge in the form of an elite unique/nice rune.

[ultrabuse]

Why are fishy's terrible keyrunners w/o tele? Aren't any char w/o tele just as bad?

I guess I have to make something else then (mebbeh a sorc if I can be arsed). Anyone have a suggestion on a fun and fast character for just about anything that makes you wealthy? (except what I will use my fishy for)
I will use my fishy for what most people suggest, such as area-clearing without MF-gear and regular MF-running @ meph, shenk, eldri, baal etc.

[Painman]

Why are fishy's terrible keyrunners w/o tele? Aren't any char w/o tele just as bad?

In the countess' tower, you have constant doorways that act as chokepoints which prevent you from bringing your full army to bear. Nihl's place has lots of narrow hallways that hamper you in a similar fashion. I don't think much of anyone runs Arcane Sanctuary w/o tele - way too time consuming.

[balkan]

A question about area running:
Why is Lower Kurast a more popular rune running area than durance of hate? Durance have an immense amount of chests and an area lvl of 85. Walking to Meph would seem like a perfect way to spend your time. Is this a teleport issue once again?

[balkan]

Whoops, alvl 83

[Of Wolf and Man]

Where are the ancient tunnels?? I MF with my fishy Usual run is pindle-shenk-eldritch-pit-countess-andy-trav-meph-Big D sometimes-wsk-baal. It is very time consuming, however, I find that i get better drops on the way to the bosses than the actual bosses themselves.

[Van the Man]

Ancient Tunnels are in Act 2 (lost city) I've found a few good things in there (templar's might, leviathan, rainbow facet.) But most runs don't get anything.

[Niklet]

Look for a trapdoor in the Lost City.

[Infiltrator]

What would you guys suggest for a bone necro? MF boss runs?

[iewcce]

That kinda kills the point of playing tho eh?:p

[FoxyG]

It kills the point of MFing, certainly... But, what's the point of MFing? I find it pretty dull since I don't seem to get valuable items very often (i.e. at all). And if it's dull, why bother? I'd rather do some coding for a few hours, feel good about having done some real work, then use a fraction of the money I've earned to enjoy a game of Diablo!

For example, I recently made a Necromancer who is very frustrating to play without Teleport since I can't stack minions or get around very quickly. There's no way I have enough items spare to trade up for an Enigma, so I log on to an items website, pay through PayPal so I know it's safe (even if they DO have a crappy conversion rate hehe) and within 30 minutes I can zip around in a brand new Eni!

This doesn't mean I'll stop playing or trying to find good items, but it does mean I can have fun while I do it - often the most fun builds are the most expensive.

[Festerpad]

For example, I recently made a Necromancer who is very frustrating to play without Teleport since I can't stack minions or get around very quickly. There's no way I have enough items spare to trade up for an Enigma, so I log on to an items website, pay through PayPal so I know it's safe (even if they DO have a crappy conversion rate hehe) and within 30 minutes I can zip around in a brand new Eni!

Teleport Ammy : So far this ladder season I've gambles up 4 of these. (We're talking about probably 10 Mil gold used which is nothing)

Naj's Puzzler : 8-10 Pgems needed to trade for this

I find it surprising that you became frustrated with your lack of wealth as a Necromancer. Is there a better untwinked class in the game?

Though I do feel you on the whole time/money theory. You can make yourself sick when you think about how little time you would have to work IRL to purchase something that would take many,many hours of gameplay to earn. However, what are you left with in this game if you take out the joy of character improvement?

[sevencreature]

You can make yourself sick when you think about how little time you would have to work IRL to purchase something that would take many,many hours of gameplay to earn. However, what are you left with in this game if you take out the joy of character improvement?
Exactly. It would be easy to have lvl 80+ chars of all classes geared up in best equipment avaliable at your local duping vendor, but somehow that would kill all entertainment for me. In fact I like in-game/forum trading (one of the things that gives more variety compared to SP).

For me the journey is more important than destination.

And regarding time spent - when I have to 'waste' a lot of time with Diablo, at least I don't 'waste' real money on equipment (and on support of shady item selling websites and creators of ad-spam-bots :thumbup:).

[MalVeauX]

Heya,

Another way to get quick items is to play at non-peak hours. Join hell baal runs where a bot is just doing the runs. There should be constant games up, with no one else other than a bot. Even if someone joins, they'll probably leave anyways. Just steal all the drops from the bot. They sometimes have pickit, but not all of them bother to pick up anything other than jewels and charms. So any uniques and runes that drop, you tend to be able to just nab.

I've been doing that the past day while leveling my barb and nabbed quite a few eth elite armors to socket-bug later on, which are quite profitable, and I didn't have to do a damn thing. Just baal'n in low number games, abusing the bot user by taking his stuff.

Cheers,

[mephiztophelez]

For example, I recently made a Necromancer who is very frustrating to play without Teleport since I can't stack minions or get around very quickly. There's no way I have enough items spare to trade up for an Enigma, so I log on to an items website, pay through PayPal so I know it's safe (even if they DO have a crappy conversion rate hehe) and within 30 minutes I can zip around in a brand new Eni!

people played necros for 7 years without enigma.

in any case, there are plenty of alternatives. a teleport ammy or circlet can be gambled/found. a Naj Puzzler (set staff) has plenty of tele charges. sheesh, you can even shop a staff with teleport charges from Ormus in Hell (or maybe it's NM, i can't recall).

even without those solutions, one can still use the "crude-but-effective-tp-trick": run to where you want your army to gather, pop a Town Portal, go back to town, come back through, voila, regathered army.

i ran trav with my GF nec for ages without teleport. i'd run past the council and down the stairs to Durance level 1 (and pop a TP). come back up the stairs with a full army ready to fight the council.

paying real ca$h money for D2 itamz is the most sickeningly lazy way to play i can imagine. ty so very much for supporting those dupe-sites that have ruined the D2 economy. (/sarcasm)

pathetic.

[Mad Mantis]

FoxyG may I remind you about rule 5. Thou Shalt Not Pimp or aid the Pimping of hacks, Cheats or Farming. Discussing the morality of using an item selling site is still allowed but encouraging people to use said services isn't. So far you are doing a good job of staying on the fine line, please keep it that way.

[FoxyG]

oops, sorry bout that. just sayin'. it's the fastest way to get rich which is what the topic is about :)

to clarify, i don't just buy items off websites, but when im after an enigma and the total sum of my wealth is an Um rune, i find it hard to pass up the chance to spend what i earn in 30mins realtime instead of grinding away with a mf sorc for a few weeks. i like to get my characters set up nicely, then see what i can find in the game without worrying about "aiming" for a certain item that i'll probably never get otherwise.

[drake]

on ladder i think socketables will net you more wealth than uniques, rares, etc. if you know a bit which ones are valuable and how to cheaply make some (example: dont sell that white zerk or high def ds... socket it). hence, i think mf is overrated, as a high power zero mf char will get you more socketables...

another great way to get rich imo is converting keysets into unid torches (organsets seem to sell nowhere near as fast as unid torches). once you have the keysets it only takes anywhere from 10 to 30 mins to make a substantial profit. i strongly suggest not to make the gamble of identifying the torch :). also, i dont think running the keys yourself is very efficient, trade for them.

[FoxyG]

a keyset on EU ladder these days is worth a Mal, and I think an unid torch is worth an Ist so yeah you'd be earning an Um per uber run which is not bad at all

[makyura]

few words on "buy-teh-items" topic.

My worktime is 10 hours per day so I dont have much spare time and when i do mfing with the sorc or my nerco is not how i want to spend it. Why when i can just buy enigma for some lol amount of $. But tbh never did as it somehow kills the joy out of it.

I was so happy when traded my enigma after long hours of mfing.. but on another hand enigma i traded was probably bought from the same duping sites. Notice the irony.

I'm thinking about moving to the single player.

[MalVeauX]

people played necros for 7 years without enigma.

in any case, there are plenty of alternatives. a teleport ammy or circlet can be gambled/found. a Naj Puzzler (set staff) has plenty of tele charges. sheesh, you can even shop a staff with teleport charges from Ormus in Hell (or maybe it's NM, i can't recall).


My god, I can't agree enough with this. Seriously. Enigma broke the game as far as I'm concerned. Too many people are using it. Too many people can't play anymore without it. They should not have given teleport as a skill to every class like this.

Anyhow, Naj Puzzler is such a good staff. Huge number of tele charges and they're level 11, so the cost is great. Repairing those charges is about 1.2k per charge. Not hella cheap, but it's not ridiculously expensive either. You can tele like 30 times and repair it by selling a single piece of junk armor you find. Freaking good for a summoner who likes to play the game.

-- Oh and on the topic, heh, a teleporting Necro in Chaos/Baal runs can tele around with this staff, and nab socketables. Find yourself an eth archon plate. You'll be rich overnight.

Cheers,