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I cant make up my mind! i have enigma now, so thats done. Now i got enough for a CTA, but do i want to wait for infinity instead?^^
Altho from CTA i could go for beast afterwards.. What do you think is most useful? As i plan to go ubers next! TY for answers!
Depends on your build. I'm assuming you're a PvM Fishmancer? CTA really doesn't help you much. If the Necromancer Pet Calculator is still online, you can play around with it and see. Additionally, your skellies should not die very easily in any difficulty if you have maxed summon skills and a reasonable amount of +skills equipment.
Not only that: there is great variety in the quality of CTA that you can get, from 1 to 6 BO. If you aren't filthy rich, just wait for an Infinity, which has a consistent aura benefit.
If you use both mages and skel warriors, then it's really a no-brainer: Infinity all the way.
Ed from Russia
29-08-2008, 22:41
I'd go with CtA, because it's more widely useable, i.e. for other characters. Infinity is a bit more limited in its use. And also harder to make.
My skellies has pretty high skill, about 44-45 or so.. and yes i do use max mage. I think ill go with infy:) ty for answers!
NumtyDoo
30-08-2008, 05:37
The aura improves mage damage, CE damage, and greatly improves skellie's/merc's chance to hit bosses, which means more CB. Infinity is good for more than just the aura, it does awesome damage, and has high CB. It is also good for other characters, sorc, zon, assassin...
CTA is nice, the BO will help your life quite a bit, but does very little for your skellies. As a summoner the extra life isn't really needed I don't think. I think Infy will help your game more than CTA.
WARNING: I'M GOING TO BLASPHEME!!!
CtA is USELESS for Fishymancers. U-S-E-L-E-S-S! Who cares if a skeleton dies? He's bound to have made at least one corpse to replace him between the time you raise him and the time he died, so just raise another one! The only reason you'd want your summons to hang around is in a no-corpse enviroment like the Pandemonium Event zones, but guess what... in those areas, you don't use Skeletons ANYWAY! In those areas, Blunderbores are MUCH more important and they already have such massive loads of HP that it's again kinda pointless to buff it yet more. By the time they get low on HP, the Ubers really should be dead.
Ed from Russia
30-08-2008, 09:05
WARNING: I'M GOING TO BLASPHEME!!!
CtA is USELESS for Fishymancers. ....
True, but it's extremely useful for pretty much every other character. That's not true for Infinity.
IMO?
INFINITY!!! Such a beautiful item!!! Mages, crushing blow, boosts CE~~
True, but it's extremely useful for pretty much every other character. That's not true for Infinity.
Infinity helps the following kill faster, and sometimes allows them to kill at all by breaking immunes: Some Zons, most Necs, some 'Sins, some Druids, most Sorcs, few Pallies
CtA helps life/mana, but there are plenty of ways of doing that. Additionally, short of Energy Shield sorcs, very few characters actually need tons more mana at the high end.
As I said above, it's going to suck if he uses 3 HRs and rolls a 2/1/1 CtA. There is NO chance of getting a truly crap Infinity, as they all have wonderful damage and consistent Conviction levels.
He's building a necro, he's on a budget, and he asked about the next item for his necro. In that context, Infinity seems to make a much more reasonable pick. As shown above, plenty of other builds could use it too.
Hello,
just butting in here to ask you if this concensus would hold true in Hardcore mode as well? I have a lvl 88 Summoner using the Trang set and I'm not far from being able to afford an atleast decent CtA (4+ to Bo). I've roughly 1,1k life as it stands and the boost that a lvl 8+ Bo would provide me should be quite worthwile, no? My mercenary is currently kicking behind with an Obediance Cryptic Axe, so he lacks neither damage nor Crushing Blow.
I too would like an Inifity one day, but the price difference between it and a CtA doesn't exactly fill me with any hope.
For 1 player games --> Infinity
For 8 player games --> CtA + Beast
:)
williamchan
31-08-2008, 00:18
I just got an infinity a couple of days ago, and it speeds up the killing way too much to a point of its not even fun to pvm anymore... and I dont have remarkable gear, I am hanging around +15 to summons. I think by the time I get beast, which I do have the currency atm this game wont be even fun anymore, cept for ubers.
BoneGalv
31-08-2008, 01:44
i think it matters alot of what you do most
pvp = cta
pvm = infinity
also look to lexurs post, how many people do you play with.
both are good, however if your do pvm like i do id say go with infinity.
my two cents
NumtyDoo
31-08-2008, 01:52
Why would you pick CTA for 8 player games? The Infinity would help keep your CE damage semi-viable in an 8 player game. Infinity will basically double the damage of every elemental caster in the game, which thanks to IM, most people are casters now.
I do agree CTA over Infinity if you are going the PvP route.
BoneGalv
31-08-2008, 02:00
most the 8 player games im in have an infinity already, but thats just me
personal pref really, if you visit pvp now and then (like i do) CTA makes more sense
i guess im just banking on someone already having infinity as oppose to CTA, of course that might just be the people im playing with, i think the biggest factor is do you PvP or PvM more
most the 8 player games im in have an infinity already, but thats just me
personal pref really, if you visit pvp now and then (like i do) CTA makes more sense
i guess im just banking on someone already having infinity as oppose to CTA, of course that might just be the people im playing with, i think the biggest factor is do you PvP or PvM more
Infinity Auras have a small radius and are being projected by AIs that wander around a lot. Having 2-3 Infinities will still yield benefits over having just 1.
On the other hand, if you're in an 8-player game then you can be damn sure that someone else is carrying the Faith or Beast already (if not a Fanatzealot, as silly as those seem to me) and, more often than not, you've got a proper Barbarian sounding off real Warcries instead of some over-priced oskill ones.
Seriously, oskills are heavily nerfed in big games because chances are there's someone else that does it a lot better.
BoneGalv
31-08-2008, 02:09
XCodes has a good point, not saying my ways are best, just what i do
bottum line is decide what YOU want most
i still think it comes down to rather or not you spend most your time in pvm or pvp
samithedood
31-08-2008, 03:11
from what i understand cta adds very very little to the life of ur skellies can't remember the numbers exactly but it doesn't count skeleton mastery at all for the BO. I've also heard stories of BO'd skellies getting c/i's in uber games.
CtA isn't useless! Battle command gives you +1 to all skills without even taking an equipment spot!
But yes, these classes can make good use of infinity:
Summonancers
Javazons
Frostmaidens
Fire druids
Fireclaw bears
Lightning trappers
Phoenix strikers
Riftkickers
Meteorb sorcs
Lightning sorcs
Nova sorcs
And that's just the cookiecutters who want an infinity. i can mention some non-cookiecutters too:
Elemancers
Fire trappers
Fire zons
Pure fire sorcs
Charged bolt sorcs
And all ctc builds
So infinity has lots of uses
Make infinity before cta!
from what i understand cta adds very very little to the life of ur skellies can't remember the numbers exactly but it doesn't count skeleton mastery at all for the BO. I've also heard stories of BO'd skellies getting c/i's in uber games.
Yeah, this is what I said in my first reply to this thread. If you want more evidence, go to the online necro pet calc and do the numbers. =)
The main reason for cta is bc really.
Infinity it is, for sure! up to about 10 ists now :]
As i like to join many-player games and mf around on my own i think infy will help me greatly!
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