Is PvP worth it?

[Tashohnie]

Hello all! New player to D2! Have been PvPing/Pking for the past 10 years or so in other games. Wanted to PvP on D2 but every one I have spoke to on Bnet say PvP sucks in this game.

Just wanted to know peoples views? Is it skill that wins in PvP? Items? What are good classes to be? All I seem to hear is go BvC or BvB and thats about it (for those that are like if you must PvP)

Can I join any ones game and PK people? Any help appricated :)

Thanks

[wretchedangel]

i am not big on PvP
but just randomly going into anyones game and PKing is NOT appreciated

[Tashohnie]

But it can be done? On any mode?

[theheft]

If you want to PK people (rather than duel) I would stay in the lower levels.

Build a level 18 charger or cleg zealot and join baal/dia runs IN NORMAL. The level 40's will laugh at you for going hostile with them.

Kill them, NK, and steal gold. Repeat until someone brings in a level 85 Hammerdin and then save and exit.

Be preparsed to be called a cheater and a hacker etc.

I used to do it with my LLD zealot when I was bored.

[Uncle_Mike]

Well it's the PvP forum so the majority here would probably agree that it is worth it. PK and PvP are two different things.

D2 is an item based game so skill alone won't win you duels against competent people.

There is no best PvP build - try searching for threads on this subject, there have been plenty of them.

Guides for the majority mainstream builds can be found in the PvP guides sticky a few threads above this one.

[Tashohnie]

Thanks all :)

[Deuterium]

Saaame so much fun running into a crowd of 40s who don't move an inch and think you're joking - only to get torn apart ;)

To be honest though like all of D2 (and - well - pretty much all RPGs) skill is definitely less of a determining factor than preparation, items and build. Not to say it's nonexistent but a D2 duel wouldn't be as skill based as, say, a Quake duel. But I'm sure you'd be aware of that. A lot of fun nonetheless, I'd say that PvP is probably something that keeps a lot of people playing.

[theheft]

^^ Damn right.

Its all I do now, I do a bit of MFing generally looking for LLD gear when im bored but thats about it.

[BoneGalv]

cant really anwser that for you bro

if you like to pvp of course its worht it, i myself play a zeal pally built for pvm, but i think its fun to hop into a pvp game now and then

some people live in the pvp games cause thats what they enjoy doing the most, and build chars JUST for pvp.

as far as my thinking goes, you dont lose anything (well maybe some gold) from pvping, so if you wana hop in a pvp game go for it, however some chars that are built just for pvp lack in pvm (although pvm chars lack in pvp). just do what ever you think is fun

[jesterlolz]

I feel that PvPing in this game is worth it, but it shouldn't at all be the main reason you start playing. In general, PvP is a rich person's sport, so get used to PvM first, then make a lvl 30 hammerdin or a lvl 18 cleglaw zealot (2 of the cheapest builds). Try out dueling, and see if you like it. If you like it, great, if you don't, then just sell the gear and keep playing PvM.

Honestly though, if you start playing Diablo just to experience PvP, you'll get really bored really fast. It takes a while to get the resources to make a character. But on the other side, though I started diablo for PvM, PvP is what kept me going when I got bored of the rest of the game.

[Tashohnie]

See I am a PvPer at heart. I played a MMO for nearly 3 years in the past and spent all of my time pking people so to be honest I mainly play to PvP/PK, I must admit it seems like there is a lot to it but I am looking forward to trying out PvP in this game to be honest :)

[jesterlolz]

What I'm saying is, I understand that, but you really need to play PvM for a long while to play PvP. (Besides cheating), there's no way you can viably play HLD until at least a good month or two of SOLID PvM playing.

Thats what I would weigh against for you. Is the cost of spending time leveling and amassing gear worth the benefit of making a duel char?

[TienJe]

What I'm saying is, I understand that, but you really need to play PvM for a long while to play PvP. (Besides cheating), there's no way you can viably play HLD until at least a good month or two of SOLID PvM playing.

Thats what I would weigh against for you. Is the cost of spending time leveling and amassing gear worth the benefit of making a duel char?

d2pk essentially eliminates the start-up costs for a pvp venture!

[Perfect Hatred]

Saaame so much fun running into a crowd of 40s who don't move an inch and think you're joking - only to get torn apart ;)

To be honest though like all of D2 (and - well - pretty much all RPGs) skill is definitely less of a determining factor than preparation, items and build. Not to say it's nonexistent but a D2 duel wouldn't be as skill based as, say, a Quake duel. But I'm sure you'd be aware of that. A lot of fun nonetheless, I'd say that PvP is probably something that keeps a lot of people playing.

The outcome of a duel depends on many things. Experience, hand-eye coordination, items, build and preparation (barb BO, rejuv potions etc) are all important components. My hand-eye coordination is not all that good so I wouldnt fare well in quake duels but in D2 duels I usually dominate because I am strong in the other departments mentioned above.

For me if the duel was only skill based I would have left the game long ago since you come to a point where your natural abilities limit further development whereas in D2 you can always trade for better equipment and always find another trick to outsmart the enemy and thereby develope your duelling ability.

I can recommend starting with a hammerdin build since you can then get kills even with little skills and that will probably make you feel pvp is fun and drive you to go on and learn more. And yes I certainly believe pvp is worth it since you have more fun interacting with live humans then with computer monsters.

After you kill a monster and write "OWNED NUUB" I doubt it will care much but if its a human being you kill then youre likely to get responses and emotions back. You just cant connect emotionally with a comp like that.

[Tashohnie]

Nice one mate, you are right I like the emotions! I guess I will duel for a bit to get used to it but my main thing I think is PKing. In regards to item cost, I was lucky in that a friend I have sorted out in MMO's for nearly 10 years has quit this and given me his stuff so I have not bad kit, Ok I am still trying to get the weapons but other than that I have every thing :thumbsup:

[TienJe]

Nice one mate, you are right I like the emotions! I guess I will duel for a bit to get used to it but my main thing I think is PKing. In regards to item cost, I was lucky in that a friend I have sorted out in MMO's for nearly 10 years has quit this and given me his stuff so I have not bad kit, Ok I am still trying to get the weapons but other than that I have every thing :thumbsup:
there is very little "trickery" in dueling in the upper echelons. most of it does come down to your mouse proficiency, though its a bit different than with FPS. there is a bit of strategy in every duel, but it is almost always superseded by better character control.

[Tashohnie]

Well I was PvPing on my MF hammerdin last night, great fun, was a public game with 3 mates, some random guy joins which attacks me and I kill then when I was fighting some one else he came over and dropped us both looted our money then left the game lol

[drake]

i've played quake 3 at an elite level for 8 years, and i find D2 pvp to not be very rewarding (regardless of whether im winning or not), although fun.

1. strictly as a skill vs skill contest, it sucks:

a) theres a lot of randomness in it: block or not, hit or not, damage rolls, etc. in other games like say shooters... the relative importance of brain power and skills as opposed to luck is just way bigger, which means a lot more ownage for you when you're good.

b) this game is old and wasnt built for pvp, so it lags, desyncs, etc.... and is overall extremely sluggish and weird. its light-years away from the pixel-sharp physics and network play of a game like quake 3 and others. that adds to the randomness and is just aggravating in itself, even if you know everything you need to know about how to play with it and consider it part of the game.

c) its far from being hack-proof, so its not like every player out there is beating you with skills, simple as that.

d) some builds are just so easy to play a chimpanzee could kick ur *** with it.

2. the strategy part is interesting cuz it has a unique flavor to it and is complex enough so that thinking outside the box can net you some wins. BUT, its not that complex really, as any idiot can google a cookie-cutter guide and do well. as far as real-time strategy goes, theres a quite a few games out there that will make ur brain spin a lot faster imo.

3. D2 pvp could be more rewarding if everybody actually had to earn his stuff, which involves some strategy in itself but also hard work. i said "could" cuz any idiot can buy gear online or bot, etc.. so winning more because of hard work is moot and more of a personal thing i guess. same goes with practice; although some builds do have a nice learning curve to them, most just dont lol.

for all those reasons i find the correlation between success and skills/strategic thinking/hard work to be kinda poor in D2, making it an unsatisfying form of competition, even with a GM/legit environment in mind.

the fact that any idiot can use "external resources" to take care of every aspect of it can promote it to the status of laughably pointless, unless the said idiot has a pathological need to troll or "pwn stuff" to the point where having something to do with the winning doesnt matter to him anymore... :whistling:

might as well play chess and ask an engine for every move.

[Head]

There is no best PvP build\


Obviously never seen a hammerdin.

[theredpredator]

\


Obviously never seen a hammerdin.

My boner will own your hammerdin 20-0

[Moritz]

my char owned all was ez with assa, assa is best char. i kill your necro m8

[Sass]

my char owned all was ez with assa, assa is best char. i kill your necro m8Vouch sinning :thumbup:


Back OT: PvP adds a new excitement for the game and the opponent is MUCH smarter. Also there's the brag factor.:smug:

[theredpredator]

1 TG and ur assa is crap klol

[Uncle_Mike]

1 TG and ur assa is crap klol

He wasn't a pure trapper and I assume that you haven't played against him :yes:

Anyway, let's cut the OT here please.

[Kordova]

pvp is fun; outside of Bmanas, AA, FC, its funny to watch skill > mods

[Head]

My boner will own your hammerdin 20-0

Probably not, im awsome @ hammering then smiteing out of minions.


edit: i would also use revives O:

[Magi]

I despise pk-ing, but I love DUELING.

It may be semantics but there's a BIG difference as far as I'm concerned. I got started with d2 a couple of months before the most recent ladder reset. I started mfing/dueling almost simultaneously. It helps to do a bit of research first, though, as it's not as easy as just grabbing a big friggin gun and running around blasting people. (I'm sure fps's are a "little" more complicated.) There's a lot of facts and formula (breakpoints, gear selection, etc)

I'd start by finding a niche: HLD (level 50+), MLD (level 31-49), or LLD (lvl 9-30) and dive right in! I've made two 39 duelers and am working on 1 lvl 30 and 2 lvl 18's. My personal experience is that, on average, low level duelers are considerably more good-mannered than the average high lvl dueler, but ymmv.

(disclaimer: some ppl will probably debate my lvl cutoff for mid lvl duelers, but disregard them, they don't know what they're talking about. :) )