Heavens Light vs. Stormlash for Uber Frenzy Barb

[Omikron8]

My frenzy mace barb is up to level 79. I have a 260 ED stormlash i'm transferring over from my kicker (who will be deleted). I've been wondering what to use as the second weapon. The obvious choice would seem to be a second stormlash but then i looked at the 292 ED/2 sock heaven's light i had muled away

stormlash:

- static field useful for general pvm/key running, less useful for ubers (high light res)
- wide damage range, very low min damage
- lower average damage than heaven's light (~ 160)

heaven's light

- same crushing blow as stormlash
- similar speed (base 0 with 60 IAS from dual shael)
- -33% target defense (works at half against ubers), very useful because the ubers are
level 110
- narrow damage range
- higher average damage than stormlash (~ 180)

so what do you guys think ? dual stormlash or stormlash + heaven's light for fighting the actual ubers ? i realize that dual stormlash will be superior for general pvm

[MYK]

Just a quick heads up - Frenzy starts the attack with the primary weapon.
Scourge is a range 3 weapon, Mighty Scepter is a range 1 weapon. If you don't walk up to monsters and attack - If you hold down left click like a usual frenzy player, your secondary weapon will miss.

So, if you do use Heaven's Light, equip it in the primary hand.

I tend to use what I've got. I wouldn't even sweat using the Heaven's Light with the 'Lash.

[Omikron8]

is the primary (mainhand) the left or right slot ? i thought this range issue only mattered for whirlwind ?

i put heaven's light in right slot and a baranar star in left slot and my barb started frenzy using the heaven's light so it seems the right slot is the mainhand, is this correct ?

what if you use the lazy attack mode of holding right click while moving the mouse along the ground ? by this i mean your barb will automatically attack anyone who comes within melee range without having to click again

[Painman]

Primary is the barb's right hand (left slot, from our perspective)

Last season I used BeastZ mainhand, eDeath Ettin offhand on my Frenzier - range 3 and 2 respectively - running around in Lazy Mode using right click, I didn't have any trouble connecting attacks with the eDeath (as evidenced by Ice Blast proc'ing, etc)

Unless it's only an issue if range discrepancy is greater than 1... :scratchchin:

[Omikron8]

i put heaven's light (base 0 with 60 IAS) in the left slot and bstar (base 10 with 50 IAS) in the right slot and my barb ended up putting the bstar in his right hand no matter how many times i set that combination

but if i put the heaven's light in the right slot it did end up in the right hand and the initial frenzy speed was noticably faster

it actually gets more annoying because if i switch to my BO weapon swap and then switch back to the weapon combo the bstar ends up in the right hand again, forcing me to click the weapons back in their place (they haven't changed slots) every time i BO

this would obviously be fixed by using identical weapons but heaven's light really seems like a better single target weapon than stormlash

[Painman]

Seems like it's part display glitch, part... something I can't explain?

I loaded up my old Frenzier, swapped his axes around a bit... didn't seem to matter which hand I put an axe into, the first one equipped showed up in his right hand.

Switch to BO sticks and back - if I had equipped the left hand first, the axes would visually swap.

If I equipped his right hand first, the axes stay put.

I couldn't tell much about the different combos by running round whacking stuff... my guy swings at 5.5 even with the Ettin as firsthand due to fanaticism, so I couldn't pick up on any difference.

Hmm, I just noticed Death procs Glacial Spike on Attack - not on striking - that could mean he's not landing hits with Death in Lazy Mode, but I'd be shocked if he weren't since he kills so damn fast.

[Omikron8]

both weapons stay put in their respective slots if i switch to BO weapons and back but visually they switch hands and i notice myself swinging my frenzy/double swing slower because the bstar is now in my right hand

i have to remove the bstar from the left slot and put it back in to get it to visually fix and put me back at the proper frenzy speed (heaven light swinging first)

now that i switched to stormlash with my dual shael heaven's light could someone tell me which should go in primary hand ? the stormlash is base -10 with 30 IAS

[MYK]

Left. Right. Left. Right. I don't understand putting it in the slots.

I've always gone by which weapon was equipped first and which one I put on second.

I guess it was just natural that I put the primary weapon in the 1st weapon slot, then put the secondary in the secondary slot...



It wasn't until just now when messing around with slipping the items around that I noticed that if you set the primary weapon in the #2 spot and the secondary in the #1 spot it flips them around and out of order when you do a waeapon switch.

[Omikron8]

yes that's what i'm doing

when i switch back from BO weapons to my combo the bstar is now in my right hand so i pick up the bstar from its slot (leaving the heaven's light where it is) and place it back down to make the bstar the second weapon equipped again (therefore left hand)

i can get it to work but it's a pain in the *** having to do it every time i want to refresh my spells

edit: thanks myk i think i resolved the issue using your tip there, i placed the heaven's light first in my left slot and then stormlash second in my right slot so the heaven's light was in my right hand (it has shorter range so i want it primary), when i switch to BO weapons and back the scepter is still in my right hand

thanks again

[stephan]

I have tested the range "issue" a while ago, but I could not find any misses due to range differences.

The primary weapon (right-hand) weapon is the weapon that is equiped first or, after using the weapon switch, the weapon that is equipped on the glove side.

[lumpor]

There isn't a difference between the right slot and the left slot.

Whenever you're wielding one weapon, that weapon will be your main weapon. Since you can't equip 2 weapons at the same time, there will always be a time where you just have 1 weapon equipped. Even if you have a weapon on your cursor and click directly on a weapon, that still counts as you taking off the old one and then putting on the new one.

So, whenever you find yourself wielding one weapon, that will be your main weapon until you find yourself wielding only another weapon.

If you have your main hand weapon and your off-hand weapon, ten have a weapon on your cursor and click directly on your main weapon to swap it, the old off-hand eapon will be your new main weapon because even though you swapped directly, it still counted as you first took off your main hand weapon, and AFTERWARDS equipping another one. So during the time when your main hand weapon was taken off, yur other weapon was the only weapon you were wielding, and therefore it was made your main weapon. Then the other weapon was put on

I'll say it again: Whenever you find yourself wielding only 1 weapon, that will be your main weapon until there's a new situation when you're wielding another lone weapon.

[Spankeh]

why on earth would you waste 2 sockets shael'ing your Heaven's Light when IAS on a frenzy barb's off weapon isnt even counted?
I mean, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN THIS FORUM ABOUT THIS VERY THING.

/cools down...

Instead of shaels:

Equip your heaven's light second in the slot above your boosts. By second, i mean after you equip your Stormlash in main slot, above gloves.
Then, any IAS from this weapon in the second slot, IS NOT COUNTED.
This allows you to socket your Heavens' with Lo's or Ber's for more deadly strike or crushing blow.
Maybe even add Ohm's for 50%ED or ED%/Max Damage jewels, which, on weapons (and not in armor/helms) does work correctly, giving all bonuses.

Shaels... ahahaha, this isnt whirlwind mechanics, Frenzy is somewhat different.
Please, let this be the LAST TIME i correct forum posters about off hand frenzy weapons and IAS.

LAST TIME FOR ALL ETERNITY.......>>>..>>.>............>>>>

[Omikron8]

the heaven's light is in my mainhand because it is range 1 and the stormlash is range 3, i put eth in stormlash to increase hit chance

if it was in my offhand i would remove the shaels and this is ladder so no Lo/Ber/Ohm

and yes i know that if you're only using one 1-hander it will be in your right hand, i already resolved the swapping issue thanks to Myk's advice