Your Legit PK experience - Most enjoyable situations? [Archive]

aj2000

19-08-2008, 08:49

This thread is to discuss what moment / situation you enjoy the most when your legit pking, legit being:

- Hostile from town and hunt from there, anyone you find still outside are there by his/her choice. It's not nice to crash a party, but hey, its life in D2.

This thread is not to discuss morals of pking, please make your own discussion thread if you are so inclined (of which there are plenty out there).

by enjoyable, it can be anything like when the rush you get clicking the hostile button; when a party curse at you; when you make a kill ...etc.

I'll start with mine:

Finding a good baal norm game, making it into throne room with a low lvl 3x against a pack of 40-50s, who didn't tp to town and stayed in the room. Knowing while you are pvp built and they (mostly) are not, they'd stand a chance of killing you.

Or when they leave and bring in a 7x - 8x sorc / necro to face you, thats where you can get the best ear for your level but also face the greatest risk. I tend to pick and choose battles where I might have a chance to win, obviously a pvp built lvl 5x+ or a 7x-8x barb/druid type your not gonna be able to kill, experienced speedster guidazon etc. Alas, I don't tend to survive too many of these! But a chance to getting a 83 ear with a 33 char is worth it.

Unholy_VI

19-08-2008, 12:00

I used to PK in the good ol days

where you actually could way-point jump because there was no timer. Also as tough as it is to believe looking at how the game is now, the pvp damage penalty used to be a mere 50%. My level 13 poorly equipped assassin does 1k pvm damage with her doulbe claw finisher. that would mean an ear every time it hit back then :crazyeyes:

Also some other things were more in our favor. Unique items (and I think set items as well) could be equipped from level 1(!) yes thats right you had level 12 charge paladins running around with bone-snap and only a 50% damage reduction.

Additionally there were several skills that totally ignored weapon speed. the most important one was jab. Indeed making a PK character back then didn't take any jewels or charms just a few rubies or maybe thysts or emeralds for stats to use your weapon, some kind of pike (usually I would just use my imbue on a white one and use whatever I got) and you could have a level 9 amazon hitting 3 times per second or so with a freaking pike!

Now I disagree about your definition of 'legit pk'. To me legit pk means you don't dupe or use duped items at all (read you don't ever trade for items ever you use what you find), or hack. And you do it within the rules of the game. so WP jumping, killing right outside town.. all of that is (or was) built into the game and its fair game. to me what you describe is more akin to dueling and that is a whole different ballgame than PK.

So here is what I think is a great story from the good ol days:

There used to be a lot of Korean kids playing on the US servers. we had a ton of lag back then and a lot of us felt it was from too many overseas players. Maybe it was maybe not but that's what we thought.

Those kids were really rude and dumb too. they would come into the game with like a level 19 necro or something and start spamming 'GIVE ITEM PLZ!' over and over then go hostile (like a level 19 necro is gonna kill anything) and leave. So these Koreans had a bad rep.

So when the Asian servers opened I convinced a few of my PKing buddies from this very forum to make characters with me on their servers and dish out a little hardcore pain to sort of even up the score.

For about 3 weeks or so I was unstoppable. I named my first character, a charge paladin, after one of my all time heroes Sam_Kinison. The first exceptional weapon I found was a Dacian Falx. I imbued it, got a 100+ damage result and it was off to war at about level 25.

I got probably close to 100 ears with that character. It got to where I'd enter a game sometimes and you'd see someone type 'OMG Sam Kinison!' and everyone would quit. I think Sam would have lol'd to see it :nod:

Anyhow one of my best firends came over and made a level 12 charger with a pike I gave him. We would get ears by having me go into a game and join the party offering to help them quest. Then my buddy would come in go hostile on the party and I would go out to 'face' him. when the other people came out to help me kill the level 12 pker I would duck into town, go hostile and come out and help him pick them off. this worked great until one fateful game.

My buddy charged a guy and missed the charge. just as I was clicking the guy to finish him off he quit or got DC'd or something. but he was gone and I clicked my buddies poor little level 12 charger. BAM! Arghh! Splat. One shotted him. We had loot set but I was literally rolling on the floor laughing. I mean tears were gushing out of my eyes it was the funniest thing I ever saw! I didnt even get half his stuff because I couldn't see!

I'm curious to read some other stories people have but that one...that will always be my best.

aj2000

19-08-2008, 12:12

Lol good one, Yeah i had an insane low lvl jabazon back in old classic - early days.

and K, I've removed legit #2 and leave only the very basic definitely (ie, not tppk) as I could see how some dont see that as non-legit, hacked item usage is, of course, inherent to the term legit.

While I'm at it lemme throw out some trivia you might recognize haha:

1. Iceblink, Barb, <Insert weapon type>, <Insert favorite act>
2. .............................................
3. "Grim Whorl"
4. <4 letters>: Stacks of invisible <XXXX> that kills anything it touches and lags up your computer.

MoUsE_WiZ

19-08-2008, 12:30

Funniest ear ever...

I was sitting in a hell duel game (season 3) with my 21 zealot hoping someone with an lld would join. Jugz was there with his 8x barb, and a few friends of his (2 oath mlds, and a 40ish charger) were also in there.

Then this high 70/low 80 zon joins in what looks like terrible gear. Jugz immediately starts trying to convince the zon to come out and duel, the zon gives the old "I'm just here to watch, I'm PvM" routine.

So via flist jugz gets one of the oath barbies to go out and fake a duel with him. He drops to 25%ish life, leaves, comes back, and lets the zon know how close he came to dying. Meanwhile the oath barbie was busy bragging about almost beating him too. But it wasn't enough.

Next up was the charger's turn. Same routine, same story... zon didn't want to come out.

So then all 3 of them partied up, went out, same thing... "OMGZ WE SO CLOSE WE JUST NEED UR HELPZ TO KILL HIM !!"

Then I mention "ya know, I bet he has terrible lightning resist, most duelers do because it doesn't help vs hammerdins, chargers, or barbs..."
At which point I go and get my 87 pvm trapper.

I party up with the other 3, partly because they're not my friends, partly so we can do the whole 4v1 thing some more. Go out, almost stunlock jugz to death accidentally with A5 lawbringer merc+traps, start crying about how quickly my 2k LS (more like 7, I wasn't fully charmed, but whatever ^^) was tearing him up, and how charged strike would probably 1 shot him, and how it would be 5v1 with the zon's help, etc.

So then one of the oath barbs suggests to the zon that he give us loot, so that on the *VERY* off chance he died we could give it back.

Between the idea he might get his loot back, and having finally been convinced that Jugz wasn't that dangerous/charged strike might kill him, the zon walks out.

And of course gets 1 shotted.

I'm not sure who ended up with the loot, one of the 3 guys I didn't know... felt kind of bad for him, but it was still hilarious... so much work for such a pointless ear. It was like a circus out there with us chasing him around everywhere... took 30-40 minutes altogether I'd guess ^^

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2nd funniest:
In season 1 I had the #1 sin by a rather large margin.
Then the teleporting sorcie I always ran with got pk'd, plus 96-97 was REALLY dragging (was ~2/3), and the public dupe hit so I figured I'd go play classic where duped runes obviously don't exist.

Anyways, I had to get my sin killed off before going to classic, so I was just hopping around looking for duels wherever. At the time I was sitting in a dueling game with the entire rest of the crowd hostiled&looted.

I was out in the moor dueling a hammerdin I knew and beating him pretty easily as he wasn't sporting tgods or anything, but he was running chicken so it was just generally kind of pointless, just something to do to kill time while waiting for an actual challenger.

Anywho, while we were out dueling, probably ~3 screens away from the bridge, some 7X sorc finally worked up the courage to come and attempt to jump me looking for the lewtz.

He took one step out of town, and a stray LS bolt from way the hell over by us 1 shotted him.

I giggled.
It was my first ear too ^^

Baranor

19-08-2008, 13:49

.................................... = BYE BYE KOREAN KEKEKE!

Their char set could not process it, so they dropped from the game.
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Hmmm... plenty... but sometimes a screenshot says more than a thousand words:

http://ad2a.tripod.com/BarryPictures/Screenshot003.jpg

(if you can't link, which is possible I suppose, just copy/paste into the browser)

Appearently, it failed... much to my amusement, as I spend the next five minutes grinning wickedly.

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Dude runs outside, runs inse, types "haha u suck" because I just miss charging.
Dude runs outside, runs inse, types "haha u suck" because I just miss charging.
Dude runs outside, and bumps into my chargerdin a milimetre outside of town, because it took him EXACTLY seven seconds every time to go inside, type something, and go outside again... patterns... are FUN!
"U HAXXOR"
yeah... whatever u say.
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Guy brings his level 73 Werewolf (in 1.09), and wants to kill some level 30's in a bloody foothills run. I stand outside, up the WP... he takes the wp and starts running towards me.

*pwionk*
*pwionk**pwionk**pwionk**pwionk**pwionk**pwionk**p wionk**pwionk**pwionk**pwionk*
*splut*

My riphooker fired at 8 frames... I used Cleglaws gloves, because I was pkking level 70's who were annoying people in Normal Bloodruns... so I never did see that poor Werewolf on the screen, since I fired my guideds at alternating angles, which means your opponent, together with the KB from clegs, the pierce bug and slow, gets trashed all over the screen.

Two minutes later he brings in his frenzy barb. That one did make it on the screen, but then I fired a guided directly at him, which he could not dodge, and then a whole string of the damned things catched up with him... dead in less than half a second. No shield = no hope.

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1.10: my level 16 Paladin carries an Ethereal Warhammer with some 50-100 weapon damage. A level 54 Necromancer comes into my game, and says "bah, u killed my level 1X char, see if you dare against this"... he summons a Fire Golem, and walks outside after hostiling me.

I follow suit, charge, miss, charge, miss, charge, miss, retreat, pop a mana pot, and go for it again...
charge-hit-charge-hit-charge-hit-charge-hit-charge-hit-*SPLUT*

5 hits in a row, and the Necromancer is dead.

"Noob"
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That same paladin was responsible for the death of some ten level 42 bonecro TPPK's. They were all over-eager to crush a level 16, and with 600 life I was always walking a fine line between dead and alive.... but I could run faster than their bone spirits. Most of them didnt even have 400 life... two hits, and that's that. How I loved that hammer :D

Jarath

19-08-2008, 14:17

There was this one time, someone hostiled me while I was questing through act 2. I TP'ed back to town and sat there for about 10 minutes until the guy left. It was the most intense diablo 2 experience of my life and I immediately emailed Max Schaefer to tell him what an atmospheric and game-enhancing experience it was.

:p

Basketcase

19-08-2008, 15:53

My riphooker fired at 8 frames... I used Cleglaws gloves, because I was tppking level 70's

I do hope that's a typo Mr Bear...:scratchhead:

Baranor

19-08-2008, 17:01

Hahaha. Yeah it was, I ment PKK... but sometimes my butter-fingers get the best of me. I fixed it :)

Didn't you know? Thats how I started... I wanted to stop the high level idiots assaulting Bloodruns. After three or four riphookers I moved on to hunting people for a change, and that kind of stuck on me.

I do hope that's a typo Mr Bear...:scratchhead:

aj2000

19-08-2008, 18:53

Oops freudian slip, I guess his secret is out!

Dahkar

20-08-2008, 04:27

Oops freudian slip, I guess his secret is out!

Freud is an idiot. :)

One of my favorite PK'ers was either my lvl 21 09 Zealot(This is back when paladin PK'ers were much rarer) or my Season 1 or 2(I can't remember which) charged strike on.

My 09 Zealot used Azurewrath and completely ripped up every assassin and most of the dumb throw barbs I fought. Ah, the good ol' days. He netted me many a ear.

My next favorite was the charged strike zon. It was an early ladder season and I managed to find some good javs/gloves so I made a 37 cs zon. It was only a few days after the ladder so I completely ripped up people, until dieing to a lvl 6x character.

aj2000

20-08-2008, 05:14

Man I can't wait to put together a set of gear again, except even the the basic sets has 1 or 2 critical pieces that are just so damn hard to find! I won't even go into the 3s +3 BO +3 leap attack helm I was looking for 5 years ago.

Matt

20-08-2008, 09:03

never tried it...

Baranor

20-08-2008, 09:44

I pk-ed freud too.

Oops freudian slip, I guess his secret is out!

Akse

20-08-2008, 10:20

So when the Asian servers opened I convinced a few of my PKing buddies from this very forum to make characters with me on their servers and dish out a little hardcore pain to sort of even up the score.

I remember when asia3 opened me and friend went over there :) I had charge might pala and he had jabazon. We were at lvl 12 with some pretty poor gear but enough to kill the new players in the new server :) Good tactic was to ask cata2 wp and then hostile and run after :) got many kills like that.

NightShade

20-08-2008, 16:20

I do miss when chargers were considered the "prestige" class.

aj2000

20-08-2008, 17:07

lol chargers are like the pk 101 intro class

Lopen

21-08-2008, 05:44

I loved back in 1.09, traps wouldn't disappear when you'd go to town as long as you weren't too far away from them. I'd make a town portal out in the middle of the Blood Moor/Rocky Waste etc, throw five Wake of Fires behind it, and tell people "free items through my portal" and when they'd go through hostile and instant death. Such a stupid trick, but surprising how often it worked.

Or putting up a portal by the entrance of the bloody foothills and placing lightning sentries behind it and killing people when they go out to run. Good fun. A lot of people did that trick, though.

People might think that this is "bad" because it doesn't have any risk of dying, only a step above tppk... but to me those tricky moves capture the soul of the assassin's traps.

Dahkar

21-08-2008, 06:31

In 09 chargers were "prestige" I played paladins in 09 because assassins + barbs were the "OP" lld class. :)

waflob

21-08-2008, 08:06

People might think that this is "bad" because it doesn't have any risk of dying, only a step above tppk... but to me those tricky moves capture the soul of the assassin's traps.
don't know about "bad", but it's definately LAME

DelBoy

aj2000

21-08-2008, 08:38

I think Blizzard removing the trap thing is a tell-tale sign and I personally see that as close to tppk, but this is a pk experience sharing thread and yours border in the grey zone, fair enough, to each his(/her) own.

Lopen

21-08-2008, 09:11

The difference is I had to outsmart people, whereas TPPK just spam a spell and use a hack (the biggest problem with it, the hack part) to kill you. Honestly, it's not like my risk of dying is much lower than the PK made for dueling going after the poor PVM characters.

Some people gear up their character to lower the risk of dying, others gear up their mind.

Baranor

21-08-2008, 09:28

double post, and this time I removed the upper one :D

Baranor

21-08-2008, 09:31

No? Sorry mate, but you're talking bs there. You were standing IN TOWN and pressing the hostile button so that your traps OUTSIDE TOWN would go off. That's no risk of dying whatsoever. Im my book, you're at the same level as the TPPK: No risk, and too lame to fight. The one difference was that you were not using hacks, but just abusing a game bug. A pk going after pvm-ers stands a good chance of running into a) another pk, b) a pkk, c) if the pk has any guts, a character 30 levels higher and equipped to flatten him in seconds. You have no chance of dying whatsoever.

The difference is I had to outsmart people, whereas TPPK just spam a spell and use a hack (the biggest problem with it, the hack part) to kill you. Honestly, it's not like my risk of dying is much lower than the PK made for dueling going after the poor PVM characters.

Some people gear up their character to lower the risk of dying, others gear up their mind.

Relativity

21-08-2008, 10:30

No? Sorry mate, but you're talking bs there. You were standing IN TOWN and pressing the hostile button so that your traps OUTSIDE TOWN would go off. That's no risk of dying whatsoever. Im my book, you're at the same level as the TPPK: No risk, and too lame to fight. The one difference was that you were not using hacks, but just abusing a game bug. A pk going after pvm-ers stands a good chance of running into a) another pk, b) a pkk, c) if the pk has any guts, a character 30 levels higher and equipped to flatten him in seconds. You have no chance of dying whatsoever.

Meh barry, it's the same as those lame *** bear druids that sit inside town and cast lvl 50 bears in hopes of getting a kill. Legitimate, but lame. It's not the same as TPPK where hacks are involved.

Lopen

21-08-2008, 10:41

Yes, that's why I said "not much lower"

A well geared PK probably has about a 1-2% chance of dying when going out to kill, tops. I have a 0% chance, but have to work to make idiots fall for my traps.

Don't act like your method is any "more fair" than mine. If you're going to be a villain, be a villain. A PK having some sort of an "honor code" beyond not outright cheating is nothing more than deluding yourself. You want to have "honor" go enter some dueling games.

Baranor

21-08-2008, 11:52

I do think I have an honor code, and that is that I will, personally, rip off someone's ear, face to face, so that he has a good chance of a) getting out or b) fighting back. Whether you use a hack to get back into town and then hostile or simply stand in town and then hostile and let the merc/bear do the work makes little difference to me. I don't really see why either kind of behaviour deserves more respect than the other. Either you come out in the bloodmoor and join the fray, or you cuddle Akara one more time and ask for cookies and lemonade.

And as for duelling games: I did a lot of that too. Since there are no legit duellers left (pretty much, maybe one or two), I now hunt everything that moves on battlenet. If it moves and I think I can kill it, I attack. And yes, this means my level 13 thrower barbie attacked a level 42 windy-druid, and yes, I frequently died attacking people that were 30 levels higher than me. Such is life. If there isn't a fair and decent fight to be had, I'll get me some unfair fights. But laming inside the safety of town is just... impolite. And yes, that is unfair too.

At any rate, this discussion is pointless. Battlenet is being ruined by the hacking scum, and in the fading twilight that is Diablo II, all I want is some amusement and some bloodshed, nothing more.

Don't act like your method is any "more fair" than mine. If you're going to be a villain, be a villain. A PK having some sort of an "honor code" beyond not outright cheating is nothing more than deluding yourself. You want to have "honor" go enter some dueling games.

aj2000

21-08-2008, 12:02

Lets just say grey area and leave it at that, nothing productive will come out of further discussion it (lest my thread goes up in flame! Har har I'm too funny)

I still enjoy doing the random 95% win chance vs pvm built chars now and then, but I find the thrill of a heighten chance of dying (vs a party of them, or a much high level char that you have a chance to beat) to be second to none, and when you actually beat a lvl 7x - 8x with a lvl 3x called in as reinforcement to face you, the death scream followed by the silence of the spectator before the "Haxxor!" or "Wow", it beats any other form of pking I've tried.

Sometimes when I get a party who tp back to town and where only 1 or 2 is willing to come out, I just use a fake weapon to draw the rest out for a real fight, it makes for a much funner fight.

I guess I do have a honor code of sorts (never intentionally fight lower lvl unless they come at me, forewarning ...etc) but I know pking was never anything about fairness, no such thing as fair anyway heh, I look at it more of as what I required of myself, or maybe something like keeping the karma balanced as best as I can haha.

Baranor: Agree with what you said. In fact if you ever decide on a change of scenery with your two daughters who like to charge people with 100 lb clubs (very cute might I add) and come over to East as you have been Contemplating. I'd be happy to get you started and PK/duel together once your on your feet.

Baranor

21-08-2008, 16:08

as soon as I have two daughters... Unholy is the man with the girlies, not me. I want at least one daughter though, with red curly hair...

Baranor: Agree with what you said. In fact if you ever decide on a change of scenery with your two daughters who like to charge people with 100 lb clubs (very cute might I add) and come over to East as you have been Contemplating. I'd be happy to get you started and PK/duel together once your on your feet.

aj2000

21-08-2008, 16:15

lol bloopers

prion

21-08-2008, 17:19

barry your pic is especially funny because while we know it happened instantly, it looks like the old cliche of the bad guy getting killed becasue he wasted too much time monologuing

Full_Circle

21-08-2008, 17:46

How's this for some hawt PK action?

Jug's new Eth Ribby Druid: Let me test my damage on you. *Hostile*
Me: Ok. *Step Outside*
Jug's: *Approach*
My Eth Reaper's Merc: *Splat*
Me: Oops.
Jugs: Loot?
Me: No.

Lopen

21-08-2008, 20:19

To me, it's simple why one behavior deserves more respect than the other: One uses a cheat, the other one doesn't. TPPK are no more scummy than chickenhackers or maphackers. And in fact, if they kill chickenhackers or maphackers, I'm ROOTING for the TPPK.

I've done the other form of PK plenty of times before too... hell, I've defeated characters many levels higher. Do I think it's any more fair or honorable, though? Absolutely not. Both use deception. I'm fooling people into a trap... or traps as it were... you're fooling people into thinking they have a chance of winning by attacking them with "a weaker character." The risk of you dying, although there, is not nearly high enough to say you're giving them a "sporting chance." But apparently since they can "hit back" to you that means it's fair.

On rare occasion, they DO have a chance of winning, but that's certainly not what you're GOING for otherwise you'd stick to dueling games. (yes I read your post "waah dueling games don't exist anymore" but you did it before they were rare just admit it)

zrk

21-08-2008, 22:24

TPPK are no more scummy than chickenhackers or maphackers.

There is a clear difference. Chicken and MH only (directly) affect the gameplay of the person using them, TPPK directly, and outrageously affects the people targeted. Because of that distinction, TPPK is a many times worse issue.

As for fun pk experiences. I remember training my PVM werebear, he was around level 15 and boy was it fun when those PKers entered the game and I could peacefully keep doing my business. The frustrated look on their paladin faces when they tried to zeal or charge my ~1k life down is priceless :thumbup:

NightShade

21-08-2008, 22:31

1shotting 80 something characters with a 21 assassin because they thought they were going to survive it..

Not with amp, you're not ^.~

Dahkar

22-08-2008, 00:13

I think that it is lame to pk like that, however I don't see it on the same level as TPPK. My opinion is whatever works for you that was built in the game, go for it. While I hold a code of honor, I do not think it fair to subject others to that same code.

Anyways, I agree, the best part of pking is killing "reinforcement"

I usually kill off my PK'ers in the first week because of this. I think my 21 paladin can take an 80 sorceress. Occasionally it could, most of the times it couldn't. :)

Baranor

22-08-2008, 09:05

*sigh* I have my own code of honor, and whilst I do not want everyone to follow it (people are people after all), I do reserve the right to ridicule you if you don't follow it :D And that's that.

@Shade... yeah... that's really the secks... 1.09 thrower barbies were also like that... pvp damage = listed damage, because of crit bug and throwing bug... "so you think 6000 life and 75% PDR is enough to fight my PvM thrower barbie that does 2KK per hit huh? Ok..." *toss toss toss toss toss toss* *picks up ear*

Jarath

22-08-2008, 17:59

To me, it's simple why one behavior deserves more respect than the other: One uses a cheat, the other one doesn't. TPPK are no more scummy than chickenhackers or maphackers. And in fact, if they kill chickenhackers or maphackers, I'm ROOTING for the TPPK.

Just the same way as all criminals are the same, amirite? Shoplifters are just as terrible as rapists because they both commit crimes!

/facepalm

Additional lulz: A thread about "legit" PKing has the first post edited to remove illegitimate methods. Fallen at the first hurdle. GG no RE.

hacked item usage is, of course, inherent to the term legit.

Wat.

Lopen

22-08-2008, 22:23

Just the same way as all criminals are the same, amirite? Shoplifters are just as terrible as rapists because they both commit crimes!

Both are forbidden, and carry the exact same punishment from Blizzard. The "crime" is cheating, in all cases. Honestly, if you people had consistent "morals" you would say that legit PK is worse than maphack/chickenhack because it "adversely affects other people." How about 1.09 PK, before the WP timer, was that worse than hacking because it was actually hard to stop if they were good and knew where you were? Give me a break.

And the hell if chicken/maphack don't adversely affect me. For some examples: As a PK I don't like it when people chicken out of the game when I'm about to kill them. As a PVM, it's quite annoying when say, for instance, I'm doing a Meph run in an A1 questing game, just around the corner from Level 3, and someone who comes in at that moment with a Sorc and Maphack can instantly get to level 3. Both have definitely adversely affected me more than TPPK over the years, that's for sure. (I've never been TPPKed. Honestly unless it's Guided Arrow it's not that hard to avoid or avoid well enough to tank what does get you)

I have my own code of honor

Sure, and I'm just saying it's a joke. It's like saying setting a trap to catch a child and take their candy is less honorable than taking it directly, because they can kick you in the shins when you try in the latter case.

Full_Circle

22-08-2008, 22:49

There are two factors at play here. The cheat factor and the lame factor. Cheating is lame, but it's not the only form of lamety. Just because you don't cheat doesn't mean you aren't lame. Killing people who don't have a chance to react after hearing the hostile horn, in any manner, is lame. Killing people from town without putting your character at risk is also lame. Thus TPPKers are Triple-Lamers, while you're only a Double-Lamer. Congrats!

Lopen

22-08-2008, 23:00

Cheating counting as only one lame is where your error is. Cheating is easily a triple lame on its own.

AgentMarth

23-08-2008, 00:38

Well, its took a wee bit longer then I expected, but I see a dead horse being beaten once again.

Leave the poor thing alone will ya, its had enough beatings in its afterlife already.

NightShade

23-08-2008, 00:47

just wait until my barbarian has charge. Then you're friggin in for it.

AgentMarth

23-08-2008, 01:08

Not unless if one chooses PvP mode since the no hostility thingy in D3 now I guess.

LuckyDwarf

23-08-2008, 15:53

Jarath

23-08-2008, 17:40

PKing has always been a very fun facet of Diablo II and it has always been easy to do without breaking ToAs or by cheating in any way. It's comparable to killing monsters, questing, imbuing a rare item, or talking to Cain.

Barry, I miss my 18 thrower as well. He mopped up ears.

Lucky

Ever wonder why the only people who have that opinion are the ones who are doing the PKing? Isn't it funny how people chose to see the world in black and white when it benefits them?

/continues to beat it some more

Unholy_VI

23-08-2008, 20:01

Never wondered it at all.

I imagine if gazelles and lions had a thread about the morality of predators vs. prey (PVP) in the jungles of Africa the arguments would look similar to the countless thousands of PVP threads we've had here.

The Gazelles would complain about the cowardly lions always attacking things that can't really fight them back... the Lions would complain about how fast the gazelles are and how easy it is for them to smell the lions if the wind changes... an indignant gazelle would write a heart-wrenching piece about how more and more lions were Waterhole jumping and using other less than sporting tactics...

and on and on and on....

Toreaver

23-08-2008, 20:14

Ever wonder why the only people who have that opinion are the ones who are doing the PKing? Isn't it funny how people chose to see the world in black and white when it benefits them?

/continues to beat it some more

I do not PK, nor to I PKK, nor am i attached to PvP in any way. I am glad however, that it exists. I've been hostiled in public games by PK's, and i am glad they are there. They add a lil excitement sometimes. At least they're doing it legit, and really, if they kill you, you must be actively trying to get yourself killed. Hooray for natural selection!

Jarath

23-08-2008, 20:43

I imagine if gazelles and lions had a thread about the morality of predators vs. prey (PVP) in the jungles of Africa the arguments would look similar to the countless thousands of PVP threads we've had here.

That is the fundamental element that makes PKing broken. Instead of instigating player vs player combat, PKing just involves one player hunting another one down like a defenceless animal, unless the PKer plays with some kind of self imposed handicap like only attacking players who are ++ their level. Just look at the number of PK guides that involve beefing up a low level character that goes around stomping other low level characters. Pretty sad if you ask me.

I can see how PKing in softcore could be mildly entertaining to break the monotonous baal running or whatever but in HC unless you're a PKK then the only viable solution is to S@E or wait in town. Hardly what I'd call excitement.

Raisthlin

24-08-2008, 00:58

Most memorable experience. (today 23/08/2008 - USeast HC Ladder)

using a lvl 18 amazon (bow) to hunt some lvl 21-25 in tombs.

ME: (hostile the party) say: 10 seconds of freedom left

Party: (2x Sorcs, 1xBarb,1xZon) say: blabla....swear...blabla...let just go together and if he come in we gang him....i hope you do at least 500 dmg zon or u wont even harm us....blablabla...we will own you...blabla

ME: (5 minutes later ... Finds the good tombs get up close and fire some arrows and back up to look weak on purpose...barb decides to rush toward me and sorcs follow...huge mistake...spam spam spam arrows ...barbs go down, amazon escape and both sorcs panicked and died 1.5 seconds later)

I really liked how they were really overconfident and got banged. They were really surprised...and mad....well they choosed to fight so i did pay them a compliment...

I was smiling for something like 5 minutes...3 kills in a single room under 15 seconds is my best score so far.

NightShade

24-08-2008, 02:39

Why try to justify. I enjoy hunting down people like defenseless animals. I am a well noted jerk.

And?

MYK

24-08-2008, 03:48

Why try to justify. I enjoy hunting down people like defenseless animals. I am a well noted jerk.

And?

You should feel really bad doing something that you enjoy because someone else on the internet(!) doesn't like doing what you're doing. And stuff. And more stupid stuff. And some more drivel. Rinse, recycle, repeat, reuse, redo, again, some more.

And....Hi Shade!

And stuff.

NightShade

24-08-2008, 04:03

Consent is purely optional.

MoUsE_WiZ

24-08-2008, 11:31

in HC unless you're a PKK then the only viable solution is to S@E or wait in town.
That's the boring way of doing things. I never do it that way.

I like to stay in the game, regardless of if they know where I am or not, until I can see them on my map, and then S&E.

As someone who occaisionally attempts to run a 21 pally all the way down to the throne because there's a person or two who didn't instantly S&E, I can tell you that it's *MUCH* more frustrating for the PK to have to go through all that than if you just leave or portal immediately.

It's also more risky obviously... kind of a game of chicken really, but to me, that just *adds* fun on top of the fun of wasting the PK's time.

Edit: If I'm in town and they hostile, I'm not going to take my portal or any WPs though. That's more like russian roulette than chicken. Just if I'm already out killing things.

Baranor

24-08-2008, 15:41

PKing just involves one player hunting another one down like a defenceless animal,

Excellent :rolf: ! I don't bother to check whether the seal pups I clubber are armed to the teeth either. I kill, and then eat... occasionally they die because I eat them if I am in a hurry, but normally I *do* smack them dead :coffee: .

Hakka

26-08-2008, 17:32

That is the fundamental element that makes PKing broken. Instead of instigating player vs player combat, PKing just involves one player hunting another one down like a defenceless animal, unless the PKer plays with some kind of self imposed handicap like only attacking players who are ++ their level. Just look at the number of PK guides that involve beefing up a low level character that goes around stomping other low level characters. Pretty sad if you ask me.

I can see how PKing in softcore could be mildly entertaining to break the monotonous baal running or whatever but in HC unless you're a PKK then the only viable solution is to S@E or wait in town. Hardly what I'd call excitement.

As a very well-known PK (as any East old timer can attest), I can say that this kind of attitude is, well, ridiculous. I killed over 1500 characters in my "career", including over 15 level 99s. Many of these kills came from duels, but the majority came from PKing. Without a doubt, of those that I PKed, some 95% could have avoided their deaths by simply saving and exiting upon hostile. Instead, I noticed a few general behaviors:

1) *Hostile party* "FU PK...let's all gang up on him and kill him". Five minutes later, I'd collect 3+ ears.
2) *Hostile party* "I'll just continue to level, he won't find me, and if he does, I'll have enough time to S&E." Not anticipating a barbarian who can teleport, five minutes later, I'd collect an ear.
3) *Hostile party of level 30s* "He's only level 21, let's kill him." Not anticipating a character stacked with +15-20 max dmg jewels and +10 max dmg sharps, five minutes later I'd collect an ear.

I could go on, but the point is that by simply leaving the game you prevent the PK from killing you. Period. Sure, maybe it sucks that you were in the middle of a quest, but it's better to do the quest again (and get more xp in the process!) than get killed, isn't it? No matter how much you think the odds are in your favor, they aren't, or else I wouldn't be chasing you down. That's the thing: the majority of PK kills come from killing people who stay in the game because they think that as a group, or as a higher level, they have some kind of advantage.

Wrong. I've killed a 97 with a 37, a 99 with a 49, a group of 60-somethings with a 42, 40s with a 21, etc etc etc; an innumerable amount of kills with characters at a fraction of my victim's level. Why is that intrinsically wrong? It's you who decides to stay and [in some cases] fight. PvP is what makes hardcore exciting, and if you aren't smart enough to avoid PKs, then perhaps you should go back to softcore :thumbup:

PKs aren't responsible for your decision to stay in the game and [maybe] die; you are.

AzaZaz

26-08-2008, 18:03

As a very well-known PK (as any East old timer can attest), I can say that this kind of attitude is, well, ridiculous. I killed over 1500 characters in my "career", including over 15 level 99s. Many of these kills came from duels, but the majority came from PKing. Without a doubt, of those that I PKed, some 95% could have avoided their deaths by simply saving and exiting upon hostile. Instead, I noticed a few general behaviors:

1) *Hostile party* "FU PK...let's all gang up on him and kill him". Five minutes later, I'd collect 3+ ears.
2) *Hostile party* "I'll just continue to level, he won't find me, and if he does, I'll have enough time to S&E." Not anticipating a barbarian who can teleport, five minutes later, I'd collect an ear.
3) *Hostile party of level 30s* "He's only level 21, let's kill him." Not anticipating a character stacked with +15-20 max dmg jewels and +10 max dmg sharps, five minutes later I'd collect an ear.

I could go on, but the point is that by simply leaving the game you prevent the PK from killing you. Period. Sure, maybe it sucks that you were in the middle of a quest, but it's better to do the quest again (and get more xp in the process!) than get killed, isn't it? No matter how much you think the odds are in your favor, they aren't, or else I wouldn't be chasing you down. That's the thing: the majority of PK kills come from killing people who stay in the game because they think that as a group, or as a higher level, they have some kind of advantage.

Wrong. I've killed a 97 with a 37, a 99 with a 49, a group of 60-somethings with a 42, 40s with a 21, etc etc etc; an innumerable amount of kills with characters at a fraction of my victim's level. Why is that intrinsically wrong? It's you who decides to stay and [in some cases] fight. PvP is what makes hardcore exciting, and if you aren't smart enough to avoid PKs, then perhaps you should go back to softcore :thumbup:

PKs aren't responsible for your decision to stay in the game and [maybe] die; you are.

4) You hostile with a 21 thrower in arcane, chase down a 21 assassin and druid only to find out the druid is stacked with 4000 life and the Assassin is locked and loaded waiting for the PKK ;)

Man those were the days! :P

Master Zap

26-08-2008, 18:18

Ive got a few moments that come to mind. Not all of them were initiated by myself either.

case in points

here it is from 3/27/07
Karma has an interesting way of working itself out..

Last night I was running norm baal runs when a high level sorc come in.. I just smelled pk all over her.. She ends up being a fireball sorc.. Not to my surprise she starts spamming fb's and tries to tppk some of the low levels there.. She actually misses everyone on her tppk attempt. People then Rush back to town to hide/wait it out.. Not I... I happen to be wearing a dwarf star and rising sun ammy on top of overstacked res (think 70-80% fire sorb). So I then truck my way back down to the throne to eat her... Killed her in 1 hit!.. 8 levels higher then I. Got 135K gold too.. Totally made my night. And made up for the hassle from the night before. Everyone was like GJ because it was game on after that :)

that ear still makes me grin when I see it in my stash..

One less tppker on east HCL,
Unfired-EF RIP level 75 fireball sorc.
(bonus points for ripping my clan's tag too)

Turning the cards on pk's isgreat!

Let's see another memorable moment was when I was pk'ing on my lld charger (level 13). Some high teen/low twenties party was just starting to head for Diablo quest so I wait until they are about halfway to the chaos place when I hostile. Unlike most parties, this one simply said lol assuming because I was around half their level I'd be cake. I got 4 ears right in a row. It's not often you can get a party like that, so it stands out. Good old char named Coffee beans.

I prefer the disposable chargers (level 12-16) that if you die without loot your not really out of anything. I seldom have the spiffy charms and maxors so I just find a eth 60's maul of some kind, plug a couple -req jewels in it and then fill the rest with crap damage charms and go to town.

Sometimes you lose too..

There was this Pk going around last season who I'd have to say was very well made. He was a level 39 fury wolf rocking out the godly charms, eth up'd steeldriver switch and the other standard pvp stuff at this level. He killed my 30 hammerdin/insight charger with ease so I thought that if I went and made a character around Maxing thorns and stuff I'd be able to martyr and perhaps kill him on myself. Well needless to say I quickly found out that thorns pvp is bunk (one needs apprx 3X as much life as their melee opponent). he killed me and took maybe 200 damage. I had to laugh over that one.

Ive also had a some other parties that actually stuck together as a team and made me save and exit or die. Those are always good for getting the heart pumping.

Another classic moment, Running some nm baal runs on my high level hammerdin when some middle level sorc hostiles us. Being in nm we keep killing the monster waves in the throne while waiting for the "red" sorc to show up. (at this point most of the party is still in the throne, some went back to town). Sure enough like clockwork, a min later the sorc teleports in when Blam! Slain by my random hammers that where still in the air from killing the monsters.

I've never been one to grief a party. I never resort to the whole insult thing or crap like that. I say Rawr! or I'm going to eat you! and then hostile. If I'm asked to leave I do.