View Full Version : HCLE price guide project - call for help!
To hardcore community on East, I am seeking to re-establish an updated rough price guide for HCLE and would appreciate help in the form of posting your trades in this thread. I use to update the HCLW back in the day http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190989 (4-5 years back) with the help of the community and am interested in doing the same now that I've rejoined on HCLE.
I'll probably have pgems and runes as currency, I would greatly appreciate it if you can post any trades involving runes / pgems for items below for the more common items (lets skip rarity like the crainte vomir and lance of yaggai stuff ...etc), for reference you can refer to my old old HCLW price guide for the more commonly traded items, its still applicable (somewhat :whistling:).
Thanks in advance for your help!
I liked your old price guide man.
It might be complicated now though because of the duped rune situation is much more hairy than ladder 1 / 2
Yeah i agree! In addition the hardcore population seems to have shrunk hence prices vary even more then it was.
But hey, if there's some semblance of a price range, i intend to capture it down in the guide. The Dupage of course ruins things, as dupers can unlease havoc whenever they choose, I'll try to update it whenever a large shift happens anyhow.
Complicated is good =P
magicianDK
12-08-2008, 10:55
While I know it's very wrong to base value on these items, because of the sheer nature of the items and the demand, is how they should be priced so that the market can determine what they're worth.
Sorry, what I meant by that is...rockstopper and shako will be more in demand then rarer items that have lower or less desirable properties, so let the market decide.
The currency of runes and gems is a great idea, while crude look at the gem prices that people are asking for certain items and sort of base your guide on those. A lot of mass sellers are basically listing them for pgems which si great.
Right on Magician, The rarely traded items are hard to pin a range of value on precisely because they are rarely traded, also there's no completely transparent marketplace for supply/demand principle to be working perfectly here, which amplifies price variance between trade. At the least, we have something close to common currency (runes and pgems) for us to work with.
Hence I'll try to mostly focus the guide on the essentials and the commonly traded items this time around (included a few oddities on my last time around), hence my notice to skip the rarely traded items in trades the community has entered into.
Anyway I'll throw a few observations (from my pgem sales) out here for discussion should anyone disagree and hopefully entice other people to contribute:
IK helm seems to go for 4-8 pgs depending on mf
IK boot seems to go for 5 pgs or so
The ward sell for 1-2 pgs, but only the 40+ res tend to sell
Uni ghost armor sells for 2-3 (rarely 4) pgs and is surprisingly popular
Bartucs sells for 6-8 pgs, surprisingly hard to sell as martial artist is not so hot
magefist tend to sell for 2-3 pgs or so, surprising slow, as cold more common then fire
Swordguard sell for 2-4 pgs but can be hard to sell and vary, comon sword babas!
Sigon can't sell at even 1pg apiece, wth?
Other observations:
-Sorc and pally gear sell the fastest, imbal hammer and mf potential -.-
-Weapons (bows, swords ...etc) actually seem to take awhile to sell.
-Good shields like mosers tend to sell quickly, understandable being HC and all
-Lowby - Midbe gear sells slowly even at 1-2 pg price, in particular i remember stuff like sigon / sazabi helm / decent exceptional weapons selling quickly 4 years back, now no one wants them.
Implications for Muling:
Relevant to mfers who have too many mules, as the turnover cycle for the unpopular items can be so long that the time it takes selling it would actually cost you more then if you just toss them and mfed stuff that sells faster in the same time, things that take 6-8space and sell for 1-3 pgs that sell slowly are good candidates to be tossed, it will save you time in the long run. Also, decent all class armor > decent weapon in sellability (except orb ...etc), all class and merc use armor, but only specific sub-classes can use a certain weapon (Baba alone has 6 weapon types).
TheDarkSide
12-08-2008, 13:15
Just figured Id let ya know that "a site that shall not be named" has ruined trading in general . What used to trade for Pgems or a High roon cannot be had unless you deal with their currency (which is totally random as well according to the person you ask ). I haven't been able to get a trade in the Bnet HC Trade Channel in forever . But I pretty much find all my own stuff and just ask my /f list if theres something I cannot seem to find and if that fails go the site that shall not be named ....
good luck with your efforts ...
:thumbup:
It's ruined more then that, as my acc is finalgensis i tend to use FG's PGem store for my game name, and people would come in and ask what i got for their FG -.-
Interesting thx for the heads up, I've only heard of the term a few times and know it was used in certain "site that shall not be named" as currency, but am unaware of the details of the arrangement and its impact. Hmmm I'll have to look it up, are there anyone else familiar with this?
Can't help you there I'm afraid, I spent a short amount of time browsing the site that shall not be named and;
1. It confused the hell out of me and
2. It seemed to be all the worst possible elements of Bnet. condensed into a single forum.
Couple of guys from Gauss are working on updated Europe price guide. I'm sure it'll be up very soon
I checked a EuHCL auction thread, and stuff seems alot cheaper pgem wise over there @.@ .
ThomasJohnsen
13-08-2008, 17:37
I checked a EuHCL auction thread, and stuff seems alot cheaper pgem wise over there @.@ .
Aye - the forum-traders are somewhat nicer people than ingame b.net traders. B.net traders keep insisting on seriously way WAY too high prices for pretty common items - does anyone ever bite, I wonder.
I'd much rather sell an Occy here for 10 PGs than sit in a trade-game for several hours waiting to rip-off a needing sorc of her only HF Ist.
How does the "dupe economy" affect hardcore? I assume there must be some level of duping going on (since if people CAN do something they often WILL do it) but since the HC community is much smaller, how prevalent is the duping? Do we still assume 99% of all HRs are dupes? I'm wondering because recently I came across a few items that might be worth a decent rune or 2 if they were on softcore ladder but I have no idea if they'd be worth even half as much on hardcore. EG: 175 poison damage/5%FHR small charm.
How does the "dupe economy" affect hardcore? I assume there must be some level of duping going on (since if people CAN do something they often WILL do it) but since the HC community is much smaller, how prevalent is the duping? Do we still assume 99% of all HRs are dupes? I'm wondering because recently I came across a few items that might be worth a decent rune or 2 if they were on softcore ladder but I have no idea if they'd be worth even half as much on hardcore. EG: 175 poison damage/5%FHR small charm.
99% of hr's are dupes. You can know this because these are the rarest items in the game. For everyone and their brother to have an enigma, you can rest assured that they're almost all duped.
That sounds like a duelers charm. IMO it might be hard to find a home for in HC.
Just to put it in perspective the Hell Hellforge is the most lucrative way to find runes, hands down. But it would take something like 900+ hellforge runs(IIRC) to cube an enigma worth of runes. (I think there's a 10 rune range, 1/10 chance to get a Gul rune, cubing from only gul it will take 96 gul's to make both Jah and Ber, but I knocked some off supposing that you could cube up to guls from other runes.)
one of the things I like about hardcore is that items commonly disappear due to death (at least this applies to most hardcord players), unlike softcore where they persist forever, just makes trading a lot more boring in softcore
one of the things I like about hardcore is that items commonly disappear due to death (at least this applies to most hardcord players), unlike softcore where they persist forever, just makes trading a lot more boring in softcore
Yeah, I agree. The economy is so much more robust in HC as there is an item sink. Too bad it's almost completely 'runed'
AgentMarth
15-08-2008, 23:50
Just figured Id let ya know that "a site that shall not be named" has ruined trading in general
I personally hate how you can already be "rich" at the start of the reset. Whats the point of you just buy all you gear from people, high priced or not, on the first day of Ladder.
It to me effectively ruined the Ladder more then I think people realized.
Anyways, I don't think I could be much help, hell I sooner sell alot of stuff to Charsi then try and bother pricing it to trade, but either way, good luck.
Well i took a trip through "The site that shall not be named" , i have to say, reading those post ... if you can call them that, in the trade section gave me a headache.
The most coherent post was the first one I checked in the trade section, classic:
"IF U BRING ME HIS EAR ILL GIVE U MY 75 <Censored>.
<Censored> I WANT HIM DEAD. I JUST WENT IN GAME AND SAID GIMEM MY HOTO HE IMMEDIATELY LEFT SO I KNOW ITS HIM."
There were no big dupe waves this ladder yet. However if i were you i'd assume that there is a high chance of HR being duped... if i buy rune, it's for immediate use and not for safekeeping. HR prices on Europe dropped down 35% during last 3 days, but still Jah worth about 6 Ists right now.
Stormshield or Shako worth less then Ist already.
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