View Full Version : All good werewolf armor options revealed
PacoQuerak
10-08-2008, 19:16
Lets start off with armor options
Of the pvp choices there are 6 possibilities for fury or fury/rabies wolves
Fort
Enigma
Peace
Twitchroe
Bramble
Btals
Twitchroe is a nice optional armor, it easily allows 86 fhr, max block without adding dex and thus allows us massive life but max block is unobtainable without very specific gear. I prefer this armor except vs barbarians, as i find any other duel that requires block unfun and almost always unbelievobly boring.
However for pure melee i would go with the peace runeword. The fhr is nice, it has awsome crazy critical strike bonus and the chance to cast valkery will pretty much win a duel vs a zealer if it goes off.
Fortitude is just awsome, in pub duels it's the best vs all, protecting from the most common element light, giving the most bonus physical damage meaning lots of 1 hit ko's and is the last option for pure melee duels.
Enigma is nice because the bonus strength can let us use crown of ages to duel smiters and wind druids and the frw helps us catch teleporting casters and running zons. I think this is nessisary vs wind druids.
Btals is possibly better than enigma vs smiters and looks super shmexy. It can give damage reduction and a good bonus to rabies esspecialy since it has an open socket not to mention resists.
Bramble adds more rabies damage than b tals and huge fhr as well as thorns. Chose this vs any other poison chars when playing a fury/rabies and also possibly vs a whirlwind barbarian where the poison and thorns and fhr are all very useful.
BAMFSpecialOps
10-08-2008, 20:11
Very nice, never thought about Peace, and never used Btals, hopefully people will be able to read this instead of the 300 questions about different armors.
PacoQuerak
10-08-2008, 21:14
Very nice, never thought about Peace, and never used Btals, hopefully people will be able to read this instead of the 300 questions about different armors.
also peace has a chance to cast slow missles when struck which will make it much more possible to avoid those deadly bones and arrows ; )
There are a couple more pvp cheap options but peace clearly dominates the cheap end options, the only problem is that it requires + skill items to be effective so highlord's wrath and cta as well as anni become nessisary but again this is for pvp.
This is only for pvp... :'(
BAMFSpecialOps
10-08-2008, 21:45
You can use this for pvm also, but Coh/Duress also get thrown in there.
PacoQuerak
10-08-2008, 21:56
You can use this for pvm also, but Coh/Duress also get thrown in there.
duress is choice pvm and coh is a good option for people low on resists but for pvp they dont really stack up. Coh is like btals but worse, duress just doesn't really have much interesting to offer except massive open wounds and fhr but i kinda think toothrow is better pvp though i wouldn't use that either
BAMFSpecialOps
10-08-2008, 22:42
I was meaning CoH/Duress are other options for pvm >.>
Maybe this should be expanded for both pvp and pvm then stickied ^^
PepsiMan
10-08-2008, 23:29
A minor problem: this guide doesn't tell you what "Btals" actually is, besides some arcane term in the PvP scene. Otherwise, I like it and will refer to this when I make PvP werewolves.
PlasmaTorture
10-08-2008, 23:36
I didn't know what it was either, PepsiMan, but thanks to a google search of "btals" I found out apparently it's either a bugged, hacked, or 1.08 version of Tal's armor with these stats:
~919 Defense
req 208 str
level 71
+2 all skills
25% FRW
+400 defense
all resists +40
25% damage reduction
magic damage reduced by 15
and possibly comes with 1os. One version I saw had -60% requirements but I'm not sure if that was from some hacked jewel they had inserted or not.
Lets be honest, 99% can't afford btals but wishful thinking nonetheless. Even so, they're all duped, have fun perming.
BAMFSpecialOps
11-08-2008, 07:58
That would be why I've never used them >.>
PlasmaTorture
11-08-2008, 08:35
To me recommending btal's is like saying your ideal inventory should have 30+ Hex charms and that White Rings are a good ring choice. :/
BAMFSpecialOps
11-08-2008, 08:52
Not quite that far...considering most of the runes making up 99% of the runewords on the realms are dupes...
Anyway why would you want to use a medium weight armor on a werewolf?
PacoQuerak
16-08-2008, 17:26
Anyway why would you want to use a medium weight armor on a werewolf?
well, it looks dope, i mean it's a freakin pimp suit, if you got a pimp hat to go with it people will fear you which is allways kinda fun lol. Why wouldn't you use it? the mods are awsome! it has frw built in which kinda makes up for medium armor!
hey i can't belive i forgot jewelers of the whale, but that is hella expensive, not the best option and just plain silly lol
It doesn't make up for it. Just don't use it.
PacoQuerak
16-08-2008, 18:30
It doesn't make up for it. Just don't use it.
make up for what? i dont understand
cause it's a hacked item? who the **** cares it's not even like it's unbalanced like things like how wolves cant use teleport in wolf form or grief runeword are lol...
even playing field etc...
and if you wear one on a wolf no matter what anyone says you are a pimp and pity the fool
The frw on the armor doesn't make up for the fact that it is medium weight. It is simply a very bad armor choice.
BAMFSpecialOps
16-08-2008, 19:26
It has its uses in game, and that is all that matters.
PacoQuerak
17-08-2008, 02:11
The frw on the armor doesn't make up for the fact that it is medium weight. It is simply a very bad armor choice.
lol not at all, esspecaly because when you would want to use it frw is not an issue. Massive frw is not a key issue with wolves really but it helps a whole lot mainly vs assassins, sorcs necros and bow zons, but like i said that wouldn't even be the armor of choice for those circumstances.
Lol, how can it be weak ust because it's a medium armor? That's one of the most overpowered armors I've seen!
Although, high runes do exist for real, but btals can only be obtained through hacking. That's why you shouldn't wear btals
Ok, you people don't seem to understand how important frw is. And if you only use the armor for duels when you don't need frw, that must mean you use it for dr. And there are better places to get dr from, like helm. Also, there are armors like shaftstop which are pretty much just as good as tals for that purpose. (More dr, lacks the +2 skills, but has +60 life.)
So please stop thinking bugged tals is good just because you think it's cool or whatever and start thinking about what actually makes an armor good.
Reduction only matched by full trangs/nats and stormshield or items with lots of bers, while still carrying a crapload of resists, and the max +skills an armor can have, while still contributing a little to the frw part, and ability to be socketed. I tihnk that makes for quite a decent armor
Meh, Btals to be honest isn't that great. o.o I had one at one point but it wasn't that good...and not to mention perming after every game in fear of losing it was a pain.
Skullbash
17-08-2008, 17:44
Another option is Tyrael's, which can be nice against certain casters.
Another option is Tyrael's, which can be nice against certain casters.
No. (10 characters)
Still, using Btals is against the rules since it's hacked. Hrs are not the same thing.
I think btals should go out of here. Hacking isn't allowed
Verashiden
17-08-2008, 23:47
BTals is meh, the FRW penalty for medium armor makes the FRW eh. The only time I could see that armor being used is maybe against a Mage or Libby. Otherwise I think there are better options.
I've never owned one before, but it has pretty amazing stats. Its not that its a bad choice, but it almost isn't even a choice lol, since its ultra rare. If I had a means of getting one... hell yeah, I'd use it :thumbup:
Still, using Btals is against the rules since it's hacked. Hrs are not the same thing.
Its glitched, but duped nonetheless. Runes are so illegit, might as well come from a duping factory @.@ I just dont care these days, its like were arguing over the "degree of dupi'ness" or some shi*
like when ppl claim their products are 96% organic!! Rofl, its like.. ok, either its all natural or its not lol, but yeah.. its only 4% toxic with artificial sweeteners and preservatives and pesticides lol, but its "mostly 100% organic" :P. Anyways, my point is I see it as sorta all or nothing.. they're both duped so they're all in the same boat, and beeing that we have no control over how they've f'd up the economy turning duping -->$$$, it doesn't really matter in my eyes. <end rant?>
Anyways, I still think Fort & Enigma (individually) do a better job for what they do :whistling:
Yes, but hrs should be able to be obtained, while btals should not. Blizzard intended items like grief, botd and enigma to exist, but not btals
Fair enough, I guess that makes sense ^.~
I was sorta curious about using 'Peace', like.. how well does that work? Sorta interesting option I'd never think of that. It seems that it'd be a prime choice for using weapons with huge ranges like flails and gpa's etc. Could the bonus from CS actually surpass.. say, Fortitude in certain weapons? My first thought is no but I actually wanna look into it >.<
I think you'd have to have hoards of off-weapon ed for peace to be better than fort. Like a charger or a zerker with a titan build whos other gear are all directed toward ed, and lots of auras. Maybe that was an exaggeration but I think you'd have to have at least 1000% off-weapon ed to consider peace
Who would want a wolf druid for PvM? o.o
I think you'd have to have hoards of off-weapon ed for peace to be better than fort. Like a charger or a zerker with a titan build whos other gear are all directed toward ed, and lots of auras. Maybe that was an exaggeration but I think you'd have to have at least 1000% off-weapon ed to consider peace
I was thinking a little different idea.
If you use sweet Delirium, highlords, arachnid, 1xbk... and go the pure Fury route and max Werewolf, you'll have a good +6-7 skills that'll add to your crit strike, so were talking lvl 8-9 CS. That gives you a good 50% chance to crit them. Factor that in with a good 50% deadly strike and a huge eBotd gpa or polearm of the sort and although your max ED won't be as impressive as with Fort, if you strike a couple crits and deadly's on and off I calculated that it'll be right up there with Fort @.@
Deadly strike and crit work quite bad with each other. Critical strike and deadly strike can't both activate at the same time. If deadly strike fails, then you factor in critical strike. Basically, the more you have of one, the less effective the other one will be
Basically 50% deadly and 50% crit will just end up as 75% chance to do double damage
Verashiden
22-08-2008, 17:44
The formula is X = (D) * (1+C)
Where X is the chance to deal double damage, D is the DS factor (percentage), and C is the Critical Strike Factor (percentage).
Lumpor is indeed correct that 50/50 will NOT be 100%
I forgot how to calculate DS into the damage equation. I believe that for the likes of EBotD it'll add ~1.3k more damage so it's not all that impressive of a leap.
Btals should not be an option imo. It's glitched and must be near impossible to get, and there are other armors that are better. >.>
But then you can use it with your ccsoq = P
PacoQuerak
23-08-2008, 06:32
Imo Btals is just a regular old public duel game crashing armor for rabies druids. It will help protect you from all types of enemies and give a massive bonus to your poison damage but most importantly you get to show off yur pimp strut and show every1 how cool you are while they fail to kill you
I will show you the way of the wolf. I'm on non ladder now and i need to remake one last wolf Ayahuasca I am planning a vita build and will use twitchroe.
Yes i find peace to be very effective, the fhr makes up for the loss in damage. No need for loads of + skills, at level 5 i think it's 42% which is achieved with highlords, anni and bo. Level 6 with arachnids for dueling hammerdins? sure why not
But then you can use it with your ccsoq = P
Well a ccsoq (though crystal sword isn't what you're looking for :rolleyes:) can be found, but a Btals can't. It isn't even meant to exist in the game, and that's why I think it shouldn't be used. >.>
PacoQuerak
23-08-2008, 16:00
Well a ccsoq (though crystal sword isn't what you're looking for :rolleyes:) can be found, but a Btals can't. It isn't even meant to exist in the game, and that's why I think it shouldn't be used. >.>
#1 fire claws armor loooool
who cares it's all in the name of fun, rules are the things that ruin games
Well a ccsoq (though crystal sword isn't what you're looking for :rolleyes:) can be found, but a Btals can't. It isn't even meant to exist in the game, and that's why I think it shouldn't be used. >.>
cryptic sword. no longer spawns imo. Don't think I've seen one of those since like .08
I agree, that'd be dope FC armor [:
Yeah, doh. Cryptic sword ofc. :doh::doh:
In your opinion? Magic swords can still get cruel + quickness mod or have I missed anything?
True that it would be a great FC armor looooool. I still don't think it should be used, but that's just my opinion.
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