View Full Version : battle.net pay to play or free to play?
I just want to see what people like with a poll, for clearer picture so there is no confusion about this kind of things!
Its very obvious for me, but there are different kind of people that well are just different.
So would you like play on battle.net to be free, as its always been
or
do you like it to be pay to play?
Vote and comment pls!:coffee:
I just want to see what people like with a poll, for clearer picture so there is no confusion about this kind of things!
Its very obvious for me, but there are different kind of people that well are just different.
So would you like play on battle.net to be free, as its always been
or
do you like it to be pay to play?
Vote and comment pls!:coffee:
But your question isn't exactly clear. If your question is "do you want to pay for battle net as it's always been" I think the answer would be a resounding no for everyone.
You're letting your bias infiltrate your polls question. It's kind of like asking:
Would you rather be healthy, as you've always been?
or
would you rather go to the hospital to get surgery?
I want exceptional service. I'm willing to pay. The end.
Is as clear as a bright sunny day, the thing that you don't understand the question is totally another thing!
sorry
lol QUALITY posts like always slickr
If a small fee helps Blizzard make battle net into a great service free of lag and cheats/dupes then I'm all for it. I don't want the new one to ever become like the current one is.
If you can tell me exactly what I'll be getting if I pay, then we can clear all this confusion up.
Is as clear as a bright sunny day, the thing that you don't understand the question is totally another thing!
sorry
I never said it wasn't clear. It's a clear bias also though. See my analogy. Which one would your rather have?
I never said it wasn't clear. It's a clear bias also though. See my analogy. Which one would your rather have?
Would you rather...
Win a million dollars?
or
Work a minimum wage job for 90 years?
Would you rather...
Win a million dollars?
or
Work a minimum wage job for 90 years?
I thought i should leave SOME ambiguity :P
Hmm.. there is no edit button to clear up the confusion.
Anyways to put it simply:
do you like free battle.net
or
pay to play battle.net
you figure out the advantages one might have over the other, i'm just interested in the simple question, the stuff you think is good/bad about either option you can post comments for.
I actually voted pay to play, but I am not sure. If they can keep a free, dupefree, keystealing free service for no fee at all, then why not? If they however feel that they really need to charge a tiny amount to constantly keep themselves up-to-date with new threats and minimize them as fast as possible, I'd pay a small fee. I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near a MMO fee though.
It's really disheartening reaching Hell in Diablo2 and seeing all the baalruns that bots do. They cheapen the endgame, which I enjoy a lot. Trading rare items/finding them and knowing it's really rare and not something that some people get in cheesy ways is a huge boost in replayability to me. If they can promise me to fix all these problems for a small fee, go ahead and charge me.
first of all, i would want to know, what the heck i would be paying for.
Sein Schatten
01-08-2008, 14:53
first of all, i would want to know, what the heck i would be paying for.
The new Ferrari for the lead developers daughter. Her other one is dirty and has no gas.
Apocalypse
01-08-2008, 16:55
The new Ferrari for the lead developers daughter. Her other one is dirty and has no gas.
lmao top notch, and probably true too
we already pay to play... I ain't pay'n more, no way in Hell..
What's the argument for paying more to play? Is it that we'd get a system free of dupes, hacks, maybe more bandwidth? If so, Diablo II - yes it's nearing 10 years old, but whatever happened to all the technology improvements since then!? And what's with ignoring all these technology advances/security improvements? It has improved somewhat over the years, hasn't it!? Since starting the game, I've seen my email box increase from 50k to unlimited storage! What the Hell? Now why would I dare pay more? For what!?
we already pay to play... I ain't pay'n more, no way in Hell..
What's the argument for paying more to play? Is it that we'd get a system free of dupes, hacks, maybe more bandwidth? If so, Diablo II - yes it's nearing 10 years old, but whatever happened to all the technology improvements since then!? And what's with ignoring all these technology advances/security improvements? It has improved somewhat over the years, hasn't it!? Since starting the game, I've seen my email box increase from 50k to unlimited storage! What the Hell? Now why would I dare pay more? For what!?
Well sadly the argument is one based more out of pure ignorance. People (I am sure many who are young and money has no value because the parents will be paying) think they can get constant updates and cool 1.10 type patches every few months.
I would rather Blizzard should release expansion packs, and if they will not do it then allow other companies to develop one a la Sierra. But yet they have all simply ignore two factors:
1.) You already have paid. I am sure that D3 will certainly be above $50, and not surprised if it reaches $65.
2.) You already get in game advertising that pays for the service.
Why do people simply want to throw their money away for something they can get for free is way beyond me. I still do not understand their logic, to which I again can only think that these are young kids who simply will just have the parents pay for it anyways.
Golden rule in life, NEVER pay for something when you can get it free (Uggh! No I am NOT talking about doing something illegal to get it free!). Actually a good example is when you go to a car dealer to purchase or lease a new car. Rarely is our decision based upon the price of the car, but rather what free services the dealer will provide. If dealer A offers 1 year free oil changes, free upgraded car mats, etc.. and dealer B only offers just the free oil change, I have to ask do these kids want to pick B?
The new Ferrari for the lead developers daughter. Her other one is dirty and has no gas.
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Seriously Blizzard already gathered a billion for each of their developers and they want more.
Well sadly the argument is one based more out of pure ignorance. People (I am sure many who are young and money has no value because the parents will be paying) think they can get constant updates and cool 1.10 type patches every few months.
I would rather Blizzard should release expansion packs, and if they will not do it then allow other companies to develop one a la Sierra. But yet they have all simply ignore two factors:
1.) You already have paid. I am sure that D3 will certainly be above $50, and not surprised if it reaches $65.
2.) You already get in game advertising that pays for the service.
Why do people simply want to throw their money away for something they can get for free is way beyond me. I still do not understand their logic, to which I again can only think that these are young kids who simply will just have the parents pay for it anyways.
Golden rule in life, NEVER pay for something when you can get it free (Uggh! No I am NOT talking about doing something illegal to get it free!). Actually a good example is when you go to a car dealer to purchase or lease a new car. Rarely is our decision based upon the price of the car, but rather what free services the dealer will provide. If dealer A offers 1 year free oil changes, free upgraded car mats, etc.. and dealer B only offers just the free oil change, I have to ask do these kids want to pick B?
That's my take also.
Why pay for better security and stuff, when we should just get that for free.
The technology is here, the security has advanced and everything else.
That's why i want to know the simple question, and what you think are advantages or disadvantages in people's comments.
Apocalypse
01-08-2008, 20:42
here is another golden rule in life, make as much as you possibly can. so now the question turns to, would you pay a small monthly fee to be able to use bnet? i am sure they (bliz) have talked about the pros/cons of p2p bnet already and they probably already have thier minds made up. the question will be answered with sc2 anyway, if thats free we are good, if not we are paying.
bottom line is, if people still will buy the game knowing bnet is 5 or 10 bucks a month they will charge it, if it will hurt thier sales for d3 or future games they will not
sbn you actually said something very good. If there is advertisement, there's no way we should pay.
Another example of why the poll question is bad:
Would you rather:
Spend $50 to ride the bus?
or
Ride the bus for $1?
Would you rather
Have a delicious 5 dollar sandwich for lunch?
or
Pay $50 for food?
It still bothers me greatly that this poll has no meaning.
Well sadly the argument is one based more out of pure ignorance. People (I am sure many who are young and money has no value because the parents will be paying) think they can get constant updates and cool 1.10 type patches every few months.
Hmm
Well, Sadly the argument for free to play is one based on pure idiocy. People (I'm sure many of which are jobless misanthropes who cant afford to actually be playing the game) think that they will be able to easier cheat their way to having an uber character if there is no monthly fee or monitoring.
Wait, I thought we were having a "make the most offensive generalization" contest and I'm competitive by nature.
I never said it wasn't clear. It's a clear bias also though. See my analogy. Which one would your rather have?
I personally don't think it's biased.
He is simply implying what people would think/react to a game thats free or not.
If I were to see a free game, I would be like "WTF, OMFG, FREE"
If I see a P2P game, I would be like "w/e I'll pay"
If he he did it your way and made it both look the same, the options would be:
"WTF, OMFG, FREE"
"WTF, OMFG, PAY"
That'll make it look worse, seeing as how the second option confuses people.
It'll either make paying look bad, or it'll just look plain old weird since seriously, who would be hyped that hyped to P2P.
He could say "OMG I WANNA PAY FOR BETTER SERVICE" I guess, but I don't think anyone would really say that lol, I think they'll just say what slickr's option say "Nah I'd rather pay thanks".
If there is advertisement, there's no way we should pay.
Exactly, we should be getting paid to play!
Well, Sadly the argument for free to play is one based on pure idiocy. People (I'm sure many of which are jobless misanthropes who cant afford to actually be playing the game) think that they will be able to easier cheat their way to having an uber character if there is no monthly fee or monitoring.
This is naivete talking, technology is available to counter these threats, and rather easily, because it ain't ten years ago... Why insist, we need to pay more for something that has already been paid for and continually thru advertisements?
P.S. Having more money to waste, is a stupid way to judge people. Especially with regards to ENRON. The majority of people likely playing this game are likely poor students, living off cup-o-noodles or top ramen, so next time, think before you assume.
I do think this poll is misleading - quite a lot of people, the game is not free to play.
This is naivete talking, technology is available to counter these threats, and rather easily, because it ain't ten years ago... Why insist, we need to pay more for something that has already been paid for and continually thru advertisements?
P.S. Having more money to waste, is a stupid way to judge people. Especially with regards to ENRON. The majority of people likely playing this game are likely poor students, living off cup-o-noodles or top ramen, so next time, think before you assume.
did you not read the quote I Was responding to?
It's cool to make generalizations about people willing to pay for a service but it's naivete to make generalizations about people who aren't willing to pay? I forgot how cool double standards can be.
Just because technology exists to fight something doesn't mean it will work without monitoring. This has nothing to do with "ramen" or ENRON.
Please think before you make comments like this. I never said anything about having more money to waste.
Another example of why the poll question is bad:
Would you rather:
Spend $50 to ride the bus?
or
Ride the bus for $1?
Would you rather
Have a delicious 5 dollar sandwich for lunch?
or
Pay $50 for food?
It still bothers me greatly that this poll has no meaning.
Hmm
Well, Sadly the argument for free to play is one based on pure idiocy. People (I'm sure many of which are jobless misanthropes who cant afford to actually be playing the game) think that they will be able to easier cheat their way to having an uber character if there is no monthly fee or monitoring.
Wait, I thought we were having a "make the most offensive generalization" contest and I'm competitive by nature.
hmm... Man you are the one overreacting here and being an ignorant and immature guy.
Even if I was earning 1000 euros per month I still would not pay to play any game, when it can be free.
They can put ads to replace their costs, but why would I be paying $10 per month to play a game.
Yes I'm huge Diablo and overall Blizzard fan, but I'm not ready to be paying for anything, especially when I already payed $50 to buy the game.
Lets compare it to buying a movie DVD and them paying extra $5 for everytime you watch the movie again, or paying extra $5 every time your family/girlfriend/friends watch it.
The costs are minor anyways since battle.net only hosts the mechanics and rooms, the player that creates the game actually hosts the game with his own upload bandwidth, so its totally different from WOW where blizzard hosts the whole world and takes enormous bandwidth and is associated with big costs.
As far as getting better service(hack-free, more user-friendly, etc...)that should come with the game you are paying $50 and its part of it.
hmm... Man you are the one overreacting here and being an ignorant and immature guy.
Even if I was earning 1000 euros per month I still would not pay to play any game, when it can be free.
They can put ads to replace their costs, but why would I be paying $10 per month to play a game.
Yes I'm huge Diablo and overall Blizzard fan, but I'm not ready to be paying for anything, especially when I already payed $50 to buy the game.
Lets compare it to buying a movie DVD and them paying extra $5 for everytime you watch the movie again, or paying extra $5 every time your family/girlfriend/friends watch it.
The costs are minor anyways since battle.net only hosts the mechanics and rooms, the player that creates the game actually hosts the game with his own upload bandwidth, so its totally different from WOW where blizzard hosts the whole world and takes enormous bandwidth and is associated with big costs.
As far as getting better service(hack-free, more user-friendly, etc...)that should come with the game you are paying $50 and its part of it.
You write this and I'm the one being ignorant and immature?
right.
pjbenkis
02-08-2008, 01:50
I can see the upside to paying a monthly fee if there was MMO style events and patching for new game content on a regular basis, keeping the realms free of hacks and what-not, and in general having some decent bandwidth. I played WoW for some time and enjoyed it.
On the flipside, I own all 3 Guild Wars games and the expansion, also bought the same for my wife. So in all I gave NCSoft $400 to play "free online". The experience was top notch, fast, and imo better than WoW. Apparently the system works because GW2 will be a free to play MMO, fully persistent world unlike D1, D2, and GW1.
I am just saying, free to play CAN work, it depends on how you want it to work, and how much devotion you have to your community of players.
Brother Laz
02-08-2008, 14:35
Well, Sadly the argument for free to play is one based on pure idiocy. People (I'm sure many of which are jobless misanthropes who cant afford to actually be playing the game) think that they will be able to easier cheat their way to having an uber character if there is no monthly fee or monitoring.
So everyone who doesn't light their cigar with €10 (because the technology is here to hackproof a server without a monthly fee, so you're throwing away money) is jobless and a cheater?
But everyone else is misanthropic. Uh-huh.
I'd be happy to pay a monthly fee if it meant ongoing content, new dungeons, quests, acts, classes, items.
Paying a monthly fee just to stop hacks isn't needed. This isn't 10 years ago, not only have other games stopped cheating, but Blizzard since then has had the largest test bed of any online franchise in which to perfect their anti-cheating. I can't imagine them not setting up their datebases and stuff to be somewhat compatible with what the tools they already use successfully in WoW.
People keep complaining constantly about the worst of the worst of WoW coming to D3. How about remembering some good will come of WoW, part of that will be all the experience they have already payed for, in stopping hacks, duping and cheats very successfully.
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