Is ANYONE happy?

[sbn]

I was just shocked to learn today that Call of Duty 5 had been announced, being developed by the same team that did UO (hence we finally get the sequal to UO that COD2 certainly wasn't). Shocked only because I was so late to the game. Anyways, I headed over to the website today, and looked in the forums. Now this game has tons of trailers, screenshots, etc.. compared to D3, so people have a very good idea of the game. However, looking at the forums, I did not see one complaint.

Now factor in that D3 has only existed now for us less than one month. Isn't it kind of sad that one could get the impression that nobody likes the game? All I have seen to date here and elsewhere is nothing but complaints. Most threads all seem to center on what needs to change, be removed, or not be removed, added, subtracted, etc.

Is this because people have waited so long, their expectations were set too high? Are Diablo fans basically a community of numpty whiners? Is it because the game does look much different than the past 2 titles (well it has been 8 years after all)

Does Blizzard need to start releasing more and more information on the game at a quicker pace just to shut people up? Should a demo be released sooner rather than later? Or maybe less information needs to be released, seeing that at this point one get theorize that whatever they info they release people will argue and complain about it.

Seems to me there is no aspects of what we know so far that doesn't cause a fight or argument.

[Xeteh]

Nobody likes D3? News to me.

People who dislike Diablo 3 have yet to give a single rational reason why.

[5zigen]

Only a subset of any new game coming out is actually satisfied with it before it comes out.

Are any Diablo fans happy? I am happy with everything I've seen so far. Some things are more important to me than others but I consider all the calls that have been made by blizz to be good calls on diablo.

Is there any game where the pre release community isn't full of people (fanbois generally) who think the dev's are screwing up their game? I don't think you'll find an anticipated game like that.

It's true that for every feature or aspect of the game announced, someone is going to argue about why it sucks. That's just a fact of this type of community.

[Sein Schatten]

I am happy with everything I have heard. As long as there is a teleporting, TS, FO sorc in the game, I am happy. ;)

If the WoW dev team is any indication, they won't listen to the stupid rabble of armchair devs. The WoW dev team listens to Elitist Jerk and, of course, the top teams of PvE and PvP.

[factotum]

As always, the people who complain make the loudest noise while the people who are happy to wait and see how the game comes out usually don't bother posting. Try spending some time on the WoW forums sometime and you'll see the same thing happening--back when I was playing the game you had everyone complaining that Rogues were imba in PvP, except on the Rogue forums of course where everyone was complaining that they weren't powerful enough...

[Gnarph]

I'm all for a community where people speculate and come with well-considered opinions on what they feel would be a good addition/change to the game. I do it myself, and even if the game doesn't have what I thought it would initially, I'm still satisfied by how well the devs solved whatever issue I had. To me, it's a sign of a healthy community.

Complaining mindlessly, of course, is an entirely different matter.

[stillman]

Dear OP,

I don't think the situation is that bad. I would say most of the threads are merely composed of: brainstorming ideas we'd like to see happen in d3, concerns, speculations of possible problems in d3, constructive criticism and questions. These things aren't really all negative. We're simply dissecting the parts of the game we've been shown. When someone makes a thread like "will potions still go on belts?" the maker is likely just asking what other people think Blizzard might do differently. He's not saying "OMG!! You mean there's no belt for potions? Blizzard, you suck!!"

I think we all have good reason to bring up perceived problems we see with the d3 videos. Some reasons include:

-d2 has become a joke and is overrun with bots, dupes, etc. We don't want this to happen again in d3.

-d2 had some poor balance in it's original design, and fixing these problems led to erasing of some core elements or escalation into worse problems. We all (probably, imo) want the first version of d3 to be better planned out compared to d2. We don't want it to be riddled with exploitive aspects they've overlooked.

-we've got nothing better to do. It's going to be a while before we get the game.

-Apparently, Blizzard actually looks into forums and we can voice our thoughts on what went wrong with d2, and what it's best features were.

These forums would be pretty dull if everyone just said, "Man, I can't wait till d3 comes out" or "I love d3, XOX OXO."

[5zigen]

I think we all have good reason to bring up perceived problems we see with the d3 videos. Some reasons include:


While your list of reasons is pretty good, 95% of the complaining is in the form of:

OMG D3 looks exactly like WoW
D3 has too many colors
D3 isn't (creepy/foreboding/scary) enough
OMG corpses disappearing sucks
The health orbs look stupid, I want infinite potions again
OMG the witch doctor looks stupid, I want the necromancer back.

Or in other worst, 95% of the complaints are about aesthetic stuff, they're people trying to tell the artists of the game that their art isn't good enough, or isn't right. Which would be ridiculously insulting in any other medium, but for some reason it's not really looked down upon in game development.

And it's gone well beyond "critiquing" the artwork.

[stillman]

The way I see it, the artist-bashing threads can all be put into 1-2 threads. It's pretty much the same argument: ("d3 looks like WoW"..."No it doesn't"). Unfortunately, as soon as one of these threads sinks, someone else reinvents it and the whole debate starts again. But really, if they put all the comments into the appropriate thread topic, there would only be a small number of these very negative threads. The bulk of the threads, therefore, are neutral imo.

[5zigen]

The way I see it, the artist-bashing threads can all be put into 1-2 threads. It's pretty much the same argument: ("d3 looks like WoW"..."No it doesn't"). Unfortunately, as soon as one of these threads sinks, someone else reinvents it and the whole debate starts again. But really, if they put all the comments into the appropriate thread topic, there would only be a small number of these very negative threads. The bulk of the threads, therefore, are neutral imo.

Agreed, but actually it goes like this:

1. D3 uses colors that are too much like wow.
2. No, look at these pictures, besides wow uses every color.
1. D3 isn't dark enough then.
2. If it was much darker you couldn't see anything, besides, in daylight outside there's no reason for it to be excessively dark.
1. Well D3 is not as "realistic" as d1 or 2
2. D1 or 2 had a max resolution of 640x480 and 800x600 respectively, besides it's 'realism' was from having purely sprite based backgrounds.
1. Well D3 isn't "creepy" or "foreboding" or "Scary" enough.
2. D1 was mildly creepy, and D2 was not creepy in the least, look at these pictures.
1. Well D3's colors are too bright and too much like WoW.

and then it repeats ad infinitum.

[Grawner]

i'm really starting to get annoyed! people should stop complaining about the game, you dont know what it's going to be like.. a lot can still change, and you have only seen a little itzi-bitzi-part of the game..

i'm really excited, and i cant wait to get my hands on that game, put it in my computer, and be blown away by this game, that i have waited decades to see!

[Apocalypse]

i find it funny that we have now reached the stage where its not about complaining about the game but instead complaining about the people complaining about the game

[5zigen]

i find it funny that we have now reached the stage where its not about complaining about the game but instead complaining about the people complaining about the game

It's a natural stage. Every community goes through it.

Once we know more about the game, we'll start complaining about the design decisions a little more. Why they should have introduced X character archetype, why certain weapons don't make sense, etc. All the hypothetical debates will turn into real debates (respeccing, difficulty levels, item balance, etc) and that will continue until the game comes out, but not after some one else points out that all of the threads are about people complaining about the game (once again, but instead of artwork design, it will be gameplay design) and then the game will come out.

After the game comes out, there will be 90% of threads filled with complaints about character balance, skill balance and class balance. Some of them will be well founded, some will not. There will be a ton of "its fine, learn 2 play" or whatever acronym get's used in D3, the devs will make changes, people will cry that they nerfed their character and now it's useless and have to remake it (or demand a respec) and it will be into THAT stage of the game. And someone will, undoubtedly, make a thread complaining about all the complainers, once again.

[piecekeeper]

Dear OP,

Another thing you have to consider is the style of games your comparing. It's pretty hard to screw up a FPS like CoD. Maybe I'm horribly wrong here, but FPS games are pretty straight forward, just make things look really cool while leaving room for competitive play. The crowd D3 attracts is a bit different. Very fantasy based crowd where opinions can range widely.

[Omikron8]

i need way more information from blizzard before i can form an opinion

- skill system
- stat system
- mf items or not (hopefully no such thing as mf)
- drop quality from regular monsters
- item tiers/crafting
- random quests/bosses

[MooCQ]

I believe the whinos are in the minority.. [although they seem to be very obnoxiously loud].. Once more info starts appearing, they'll soon be drooling..

[Funkopotamus]

I believe the whinos are in the minority.. [although they seem to be very obnoxiously loud].. Once more info starts appearing, they'll soon be drooling..
No, the majority of people who play Diablo are drunks.

[CoQui]

"Is ANYONE happy?"


Me.

[Vertigo X]

Dear OP,

Another thing you have to consider is the style of games your comparing. It's pretty hard to screw up a FPS like CoD. Maybe I'm horribly wrong here, but FPS games are pretty straight forward, just make things look really cool while leaving room for competitive play. The crowd D3 attracts is a bit different. Very fantasy based crowd where opinions can range widely.

I think it's very different. CoD5 is being developed by Treyarch, right? The ones that made the mediocre CoD3 (not 4). If I had to hazard a guess, people have given up on hoping that CoD5 will be any good. Instead, they are looking forward to CoD6, which will be developed by Infinity Ward.

As for the complaining, I'm pretty sure it's subsided substantially, save for a few people who missed the first two to three weeks.

Additionally, there were a few dungeon screens in a thread I've lost track of that showed the similarities between the dungeon styles of WoW and Diablo 3. Now, this isn't to say that they're exactly alike, but from those two screen comparisons there was an uncanny resemblance.

Lemme see if I can dig 'em out!

EDIT: Okay, that's a lot of threads. @_@ Maybe I'm just too lazy to go through them all to find it, but I won't be able to find the pictures by that manner. :(

[Ammareddo_Fritter]

1. Well D3 is not as "realistic" as d1 or 2
2. D1 or 2 had a max resolution of 640x480 and 800x600 respectively, besides it's 'realism' was from having purely sprite based backgrounds.


That reply doesn't match the complaint at all.

Also, another complaint is that Diablo is turning into a 'deep fantasy' game, while Diablo 1 & 2 had some items based on real weapons & armor, and monsters & visuals based on folklore.

[NKlint]

Also, another complaint is that Diablo is turning into a 'deep fantasy' game, while Diablo 1 & 2 had some items based on real weapons & armor, and monsters & visuals based on folklore.

Storyline, lore... These are supposed to be bad things? I don't get what you're saying.

[5zigen]

That reply doesn't match the complaint at all.

Also, another complaint is that Diablo is turning into a 'deep fantasy' game, while Diablo 1 & 2 had some items based on real weapons & armor, and monsters & visuals based on folklore.

Please support your assertion. I find it ridiculous.

And you meant "high" fantasy not "deep" fantasy. Diablo has always been Sword and Sorcery fantasy, and there's no reason to think that Diablo 3 is any departation from that.

[Xeteh]

Please support your assertion. I find it ridiculous.

And you meant "high" fantasy not "deep" fantasy. Diablo has always been Sword and Sorcery fantasy, and there's no reason to think that Diablo 3 is any departation from that.

Lies and deceit! Diablo is clearly based on actual events that happened in history. Just that the locations and names were changed to protect the identities of the parties involved.

[Onehouse]

I was just shocked to learn today that Call of Duty 5 had been announced, being developed by the same team that did UO (hence we finally get the sequal to UO that COD2 certainly wasn't). Shocked only because I was so late to the game. Anyways, I headed over to the website today, and looked in the forums. Now this game has tons of trailers, screenshots, etc.. compared to D3, so people have a very good idea of the game. However, looking at the forums, I did not see one complaint.

Now factor in that D3 has only existed now for us less than one month. Isn't it kind of sad that one could get the impression that nobody likes the game? All I have seen to date here and elsewhere is nothing but complaints. Most threads all seem to center on what needs to change, be removed, or not be removed, added, subtracted, etc.

Is this because people have waited so long, their expectations were set too high? Are Diablo fans basically a community of numpty whiners? Is it because the game does look much different than the past 2 titles (well it has been 8 years after all)

Does Blizzard need to start releasing more and more information on the game at a quicker pace just to shut people up? Should a demo be released sooner rather than later? Or maybe less information needs to be released, seeing that at this point one get theorize that whatever they info they release people will argue and complain about it.

Seems to me there is no aspects of what we know so far that doesn't cause a fight or argument.

The people who posts on forum make up for around less than 1% of the people who will buy the game. So really, blizz needs to do nothing to make them happy.

[imjustsomeguy]

Blizzard is like the New York Yankees of the gaming Industry, or a more contemporary comparison would be the NE Patriots. When you are at the top people seem more willing to take shots at you.

Blizzard also has a huge fanbase and lots of returning customers which means there will be more people to complain during production of a game. I believe there are a lot of people who are fans of multiple Blizzard titles. This is a source of some of the conflict as everyone has their favorite Blizzard game and opinions tend to clash (everything being compared to WoW is the obvios example).

One of the main reasons for all the Blizzard bashing is the passion their fans have for their games. If someone is mildly interested in a future game they aren't going to spend hours weekly spamming forums with how they want the game to be. Blizzard games have a lot of replay value due their great multiplayer experience. Fans know they are going to be playing new titles for a long time and want them to be perfect.

It seems like most of the complainer types are long time fans who grew up with Blizzard games. They seem to be fueled by their fond memories of past titles. This nostalgia can make changes/improvements in a game appear blasphemous to some.

One final point is Blizzard fanbois, those who have to flame every post that appears anti-Blizzard. While there are a lot of people who come off as just whining or flaming a game, it's often just due to lack of good social skills. I believe most of the hash criticisms are sincere but just aren't worded in a way conductive to discussion. Bashing those criticisms does nothing but make people defensive about their arguments and turns topics into flame wars.

I personally think the game looks great, my only real complaint is that it won't be out anytime soon.

[hankhenry]

Im VERY happy! Im a hardcore Cod fan for Xbox 360. I had no idea that Cod: World at War was Cod:5 haha. But im a bit dissapointed that they went back to WWII...Should of kept with modern warfare. Haha someone brought up the Civil War that might of been cool, just that the reloading takes like 20 seconds =/ But yea im very happy

[Putz]

I was just shocked to learn today that Call of Duty 5 had been announced, being developed by the same team that did UO (hence we finally get the sequal to UO that COD2 certainly wasn't). Shocked only because I was so late to the game. United Offensive was done by Infinity Ward... aka the development team that did cod4. cod5 is being done by Treyarch.

Infinity ward has developed 1, united offensive, cod 2 and 4.
Treyarch did 3 and is working on 5. they also did an expansion/mod/addon for cod 2 called "big red one."

just some ot 2 cents...

[sbn]

United Offensive was done by Infinity Ward... aka the development team that did cod4. cod5 is being done by Treyarch.

Infinity ward has developed 1, united offensive, cod 2 and 4.
Treyarch did 3 and is working on 5. they also did an expansion/mod/addon for cod 2 called "big red one."

just some ot 2 cents...

Infinity Ward never touched UO, that was done by Gray Matter, who are now known as Treyarch.

[Jary]

Blizzard is like the New York Yankees of the gaming Industry, or a more contemporary comparison would be the NE Patriots. When you are at the top people seem more willing to take shots at you.
This has nothing to do with stature, they could be a upstarting company like flagship.. if a game is good, its good. I loved Quake, I loved Quake 2... does this mean I should like Quake 3. I'm sure the game will be pretty awesome, but after all they're making the game for we the fans, so of course they're gonna hear our concerns. This is the Forums after all... ppl are gonna come here to discuss, debate, disagree... I'm tired of ppl getting so deffensive and taking things so personal. The only thing that does annoy me is the "Its blizzard so ITS gonna be great, quit whining" comments with no basis behind them other than the fact that "its just blizzard".



It seems like most of the complainer types are long time fans who grew up with Blizzard games. They seem to be fueled by their fond memories of past titles. This nostalgia can make changes/improvements in a game appear blasphemous to some.
Yeah... you mean the "long time fans" who bought their products back in D1 & Starcraft that led to blizzard becoming the "NY Yankees" they are today. I think its fair to hear what they have to say, I dont see anything wrong with hearing the pros and cons. I personally see a lotta good things about the game, it looks pretty amazing but we'll see what they choose to do about some of the other issues.

[BlackWinterDay]

I'm happy.

[stillman]

Jeeze Jary, where have you been all this time? Finally, someone else who thinks it's Ok to bring up pros and cons, preceived problems, likes, dislikes, etc.

IMO, we're all happy about d3 coming out. But we also have every right to scrutinize Blizzard, mainly because of their neglect of the d2 hack problems.

[phool]

I'm bored of the whole thing. By now everything worth saying has been said. Wake me up when Blizz gives us some more info.

[Sein Schatten]

i'm bored of the whole thing. By now everything worth saying has been said. Wake me up when blizz gives us some more info.

omg wake up blizzard released d3!!!

[compres]

Please support your assertion. I find it ridiculous.

And you meant "high" fantasy not "deep" fantasy. Diablo has always been Sword and Sorcery fantasy, and there's no reason to think that Diablo 3 is any departation from that.

I am sure both sides (whiners ad apologists) have a little reason. Why are you so pro blizzard and the current design? A healthy discussion can only make the game better, as long as blizzard is not like you and actually listens to reasonable complaints.

[neumein]

Not happy?! Please. I've got a permanent hard on that won't go away until D3 is released.

[a brick]

I think there are people who are just complaining angrily about the little things they don't like, which i find ridiculous personally. How they say they're "argument" is in a manner that could be trying to be constructive, but is phrased wrong and is accepted as angry "*****ing and moaning", as some of the pro-DIII side like to say.

I try to remember that, but even the people who defend the game, me included, phrase counter arguments badly also. Thus turning into a flame war.

I think, tho, the petition people and such are taking it out of hand with they're "complaints". As an example of a poorly written argument that is also been out of hand, "i hate the witch doctor" in the Witch Doctor Forum. Threads like that imo are unnecessary because no one knows enough about the game. That is the only valid counter argument i believe for any complaint, and one i try to use the most with the occasional, "try to be more open minded and have faith in blizzard".

People just want the perfect game they've been waiting for for so long, but they can't adequately voice their opinions it seems.

[imjustsomeguy]

This has nothing to do with stature, they could be a upstarting company like flagship.. if a game is good, its good. I loved Quake, I loved Quake 2... does this mean I should like Quake 3.

Nobody has played the game yet, all we have seen is a 20 minute gameplay video of a game that will be in development for most likely 2 more years. The amount of hype and excitement over it, both positive and negative, has everything to do with it being a 'Blizzard game'.

Yeah... you mean the "long time fans" who bought their products back in D1 & Starcraft that led to blizzard becoming the "NY Yankees" they are today. I think its fair to hear what they have to say, I dont see anything wrong with hearing the pros and cons. I personally see a lotta good things about the game, it looks pretty amazing but we'll see what they choose to do about some of the other issues.

I don't see anything wrong with hearing what the fans have to say either, positive and negative. I was merely giving an answer to the OPs question of, "Is anyone happy" and explaining why so many appear not be. My post wasn't meant as an attack or put down on anyone.

[Lord_Jaroh]

Nobody has played the game yet, all we have seen is a 20 minute gameplay video of a game that will be in development for most likely 2 more years. The amount of hype and excitement over it, both positive and negative, has everything to do with it being a 'Blizzard game'.
But there is some expectations for it, since it is a "Diablo" game, and when too many things change even further from what the series was, I worry.

I don't see anything wrong with hearing what the fans have to say either, positive and negative. I was merely giving an answer to the OPs question of, "Is anyone happy" and explaining why so many appear not be. My post wasn't meant as an attack or put down on anyone.
Me, I'm happy that D3 is finally announced. I am, on the flipside, worried about how it will turn out, since from what they've shown us, it is not Diablo-like in style to me. I am hoping that these preliminary shots and videos are works in progress, and not as "finished" as they feel.

I do not want a PG13 game coming from my Restricted series just to "gain a wider audience" and I worry that is what they are doing. I want them to stay true to what the Diablo series is about, show some consistancy for the fans that have followed the series for a little while.

[5zigen]

I do not want a PG13 game coming from my Restricted series just to "gain a wider audience" and I worry that is what they are doing. I want them to stay true to what the Diablo series is about, show some consistancy for the fans that have followed the series for a little while.

this has to be the most blatant mischaracterization of diablo ever. D3 is much much much more violent than D1 or D2(there's more blood, gory death scenes for players and monsters, things that d1 or 2 never had), so I'm not sure how it could be going from mature to pg13.

The game looks incredibly consistent to the series. I feel like you don't want an evolution of the series but a rehashing of D2 almost exactly.

[Nostavar]

Jeeze Jary, where have you been all this time? Finally, someone else who thinks it's Ok to bring up pros and cons, preceived problems, likes, dislikes, etc.

IMO, we're all happy about d3 coming out. But we also have every right to scrutinize Blizzard, mainly because of their neglect of the d2 hack problems.
Agreed, that's what the forum is for in the first place, in my opinion - discussion. There's not too much to discuss about "OMFG EVERYTHING IS PERFECT NOTHING CAN POSSIBLE BE ANY BETTER".

As for the original topic ... I'm happy. There are a few things that I think could be done better, but I'll buy the game no matter what and expect to enjoy it thoroughly.

[Lord_Jaroh]

this has to be the most blatant mischaracterization of diablo ever. D3 is much much much more violent than D1 or D2(there's more blood, gory death scenes for players and monsters, things that d1 or 2 never had), so I'm not sure how it could be going from mature to pg13.

The game looks incredibly consistent to the series. I feel like you don't want an evolution of the series but a rehashing of D2 almost exactly.
The blood has a different "feel" to it if you will. The bodies and giblets disappear quickly, the blood sprays and is gone. There are no corpses desecrating the areas, nor anything really "demonic" looking that is flavorful of Diablo. I prefer Death animations to giblets any day of the week, and the deaths in the video looked more "fake" to me than any in D2 or D1. They looked contrived and dumbed down (barring the eating of the barb scene. But one scene does not make up for the rest).

The "feel" of the game is a lot more toned down, from the color, to the textures, to the character and background models, to the lighting. Everything is playing the part to add together to look like a Diablo-clone (like Titan Quest, Dungeon Siege, Sacred, et al.) rather than a Diablo sequel, and that's what I'm worried about.

[Telzen]

The blood has a different "feel" to it if you will. The bodies and giblets disappear quickly, the blood sprays and is gone. There are no corpses desecrating the areas, nor anything really "demonic" looking that is flavorful of Diablo. I prefer Death animations to giblets any day of the week, and the deaths in the video looked more "fake" to me than any in D2 or D1. They looked contrived and dumbed down (barring the eating of the barb scene. But one scene does not make up for the rest).

The "feel" of the game is a lot more toned down, from the color, to the textures, to the character and background models, to the lighting. Everything is playing the part to add together to look like a Diablo-clone (like Titan Quest, Dungeon Siege, Sacred, et al.) rather than a Diablo sequel, and that's what I'm worried about.

They are working on making the corpses stay longer. We've seen one area and a dungeon that won't even be in the game. In the story the undead and stuff has just started showing up, it makes sense that corpses won't be all over the place. We have no idea how the later areas will look. I don't see how the deaths look toned down or fake. Textures? Well its not sprite based anymore. And of course its not going to feal exactly like the others since its totally different people working on it.

[MooCQ]

The "feel" of the game is a lot more toned down, from the color, to the textures, to the character and background models, to the lighting. Everything is playing the part to add together to look like a Diablo-clone (like Titan Quest, Dungeon Siege, Sacred, et al.) rather than a Diablo sequel, and that's what I'm worried about.

[People who "hate" this game thus far] are whining about all "the varieties of color and texture." I find this very strange, and also a bit funny because I completely agree with them, with regards to color and texture variety (unfortunately, I happen to enjoy variety) It's just awkward, now that someone sees the same exact thing and has the totally opposite viewpoint.. that it's "toned down!?" What the HELL???

[Mcwhopper]

I'm happy.

Heard nothing yet that makes me feel any less happy about D3.

So that's at least one person that's happy!

[Grawner]

I'm happy.

Heard nothing yet that makes me feel any less happy about D3.

So that's at least one person that's happy!

i agree, feel the same way :)

[Baranor]

Did I mention I was happy yet? Its easy to be happy about a game thats not yet released.

[diablofrik]

im happy because diablo 3 is finally coming!

[Lord_Jaroh]

They are working on making the corpses stay longer. We've seen one area and a dungeon that won't even be in the game. In the story the undead and stuff has just started showing up, it makes sense that corpses won't be all over the place. We have no idea how the later areas will look. I don't see how the deaths look toned down or fake. Textures? Well its not sprite based anymore. And of course its not going to feal exactly like the others since its totally different people working on it.

If I made a Diablo IV that was set in 2356, where we were all living on space stations, and Diablo decides to invade, if you saw a trailer that showed a marine running around on a clean space station, would you think it was a Diablo? It would make sense...they are in space, Diablo isn't there yet.

Of course it matters as far as corpses and evil showing on the world. That's what the Diablo mythos is about. And if that is lacking from the game, then it is not a Diablo game...that is part of what makes Diablo Diablo.

Because it doesn't feel right is why I'm worried. It could be that my worries will be allayed in the future, and I will be quite content with the game, but going off of what Blizzard themselves have shown us, I believe I should be worried.

[People who "hate" this game thus far] are whining about all "the varieties of color and texture." I find this very strange, and also a bit funny because I completely agree with them, with regards to color and texture variety (unfortunately, I happen to enjoy variety) It's just awkward, now that someone sees the same exact thing and has the totally opposite viewpoint.. that it's "toned down!?" What the HELL???
I don't mean that the colors are toned down in a literal sense, I mean that the game has been more "friendly-fied" it seems to make it more appealing to a mass market, rather than sticking with the in-your-face evilness that the game used to show. It started when D2 toned down from D1, and now this one is taking it further, almost to the point that it is unrecognizable as a Diablo game.

As I said, hopefully my fears will be groundless, and that will all be added in in the future before the game's release, but somehow I doubt that.

[Telzen]

Dude you are being dumb, so you are saying that corpses should litter the ground even before the demons invade? Sure that makes a lot of sense.

[Gigashadow]

I'm happy that the game was announced and I am mostly fine with everything they are doing so far. There are some things I would change but I believe most of them are just "early development" issues.

[Vertigo X]

Dude you are being dumb, so you are saying that corpses should litter the ground even before the demons invade? Sure that makes a lot of sense.

So now it's gone from corpses being around recent to the demon invasion to corpses being around before the invasion? How about the corpses should be there when the demons come and butcher some people? I presume the character is coming after the invasion, so this leaves time for corpses to be strewn about some rooms.

Of course I could be completely off. :coffee:

[DWS]

People have a right to be concerned about some things.

They have made several changes and design directions that are not revolutionary or evolutionary, just random (or even more disturbing, taken from WoW).

I hope they don't forget the the following:

1) High paced twich hack and slash gameplay!!!!
1b) Skills need to be fun.
2) Dark and gothic
3) NOT HIGH FANTASY

[Telzen]

So now it's gone from corpses being around recent to the demon invasion to corpses being around before the invasion? How about the corpses should be there when the demons come and butcher some people? I presume the character is coming after the invasion, so this leaves time for corpses to be strewn about some rooms.

Of course I could be completely off. :coffee:

If were talking some random dungeon in the wild, how many people would have really went there? When it comes to the out door areas the video does show some corpses on the ground, I'm sure different areas will have different ammounts of them to fit how they wish it to feel.

[Dragnskull]

People have a right to be concerned about some things.

They have made several changes and design directions that are not revolutionary or evolutionary, just random (or even more disturbing, taken from WoW).

I hope they don't forget the the following:

1) High paced twich hack and slash gameplay!!!!
1b) Skills need to be fun.
2) Dark and gothic
3) NOT HIGH FANTASY

as long as i dont see gnomes and elfs and goblins running around, ill be fine


you wouldnt believe how many peopel actually WANT elfs and gnomes in diablo...

[Lord_Jaroh]

as long as i dont see gnomes and elfs and goblins running around, ill be fine


you wouldnt believe how many peopel actually WANT elfs and gnomes in diablo...

Probably the same amount of people who want WoW-stylized graphics inserted as well...

[Mcwhopper]

I'm happy that the game was announced and I am mostly fine with everything they are doing so far. There are some things I would change but I believe most of them are just "early development" issues.

Can I also say: Im happy with your avatar? Makes me feel like playing BG once more!