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I couldnt find a thread that mentioned this petition so just to make sure that people hear about it I have posted this thread.
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3art/petition.html
Please sign it and stop D3 from becoming an isometric WoW. It takes maybe 5min if you read through the entire presentation and send your signature.
Thank you
You have just signed your death certificate, my friend.
Please don't tell others to cater to your personal beliefs.
why is that?
Because this has been hashed and slashed to death. I think many here just want this topic to die and move on to other things...
p.s. At least you didn't bring up PvP and PKing :thumbup:
Please don't tell others to cater to your personal beliefs.
I didnt tell anyone to do anything. I asked people to sign it, provided they share my opinion.
Because this has been hashed and slashed to death. I think many here just want this topic to die and move on to other things...
p.s. At least you didn't bring up PvP and PKing :thumbup:
Searched the forums and I couldnt find anything so I posted it, as I pointed out, to make sure everyone knew about it. Im terribly sorry if youre tired of the subject, but maybe you can try ignoring it instead of trolling? There might be others like me that havent heard of this until now and would like to sign it.
sicilian
25-07-2008, 14:43
stop D3 from becoming an isometric WoW.
Good news. It's not. It shares SOME color schemes... that's all. If it were an isometric WoW, in order for the Barbarian to kill as many monsters as he did, the gameplay trailer would have been a 24 part mini-series :P
Graphics = Overrated.
Good news. It's not. It shares SOME color schemes... that's all. If it were an isometric WoW, in order for the Barbarian to kill as many monsters as he did, the gameplay trailer would have been a 24 part mini-series :P
Graphics = Overrated.
Hyperbole... why do everyone take everything so litterally?
Graphics=50% of the game
Graphics=50% of the game
And this is the problem if mainstream game players, they don't look past the flashy thingies and see the real game. For me graphics are maybe 20% of the game. I'd be more than happy if D3 would have the same graphics are D2 and had an awesome gameplay.
And this is the problem if mainstream game players, they don't look past the flashy thingies and see the real game. For me graphics are maybe 20% of the game. I'd be more than happy if D3 would have the same graphics are D2 and had an awesome gameplay.
As far as Im concerned ur the problem. Diablo is a pretty main stream game wouldnt you say?
Why not improve the graphics. Does it get worse? Does it overshadow the gameplay or something?
Instead of posting simply to attack my opinions TRY to add something relevant (though uv proven urself to have difficulties doing so in the past).
Sein Schatten
25-07-2008, 15:32
You cannot make and sell a game with no graphics at all. You have to have at least some graphics that are not outdated by 10 years. IMO, from what I've seen D3 is okay. Heck, even I would not buy my all time favorite BG2 today with its graphics from 10 years ago.
I said it already but will say it again: A game is not only gameplay, it is also sound, graphics, learning curve, bugginess and so on. And all of it must be good. That is what makes a good game.
I think a lot of people don't like the petition because they simply like the graphics and they also don't want them to change. People also get angry that the exaggeration of how much it looks like WoW. The people who often portray that view use the colorscheme and few isolated parts of the game to comparet it to WoW. It's gone so much overboard that people on the "change the graphics" side blatantly lie and use images (which doesn't represent video) to convey their opinion. This aggrevates people.
These comparisons are also from a very short gameplay video of a dungeon where the dungeons is bound to have dungeon like lightning. I could go on, but to me it's pretty clear that the graphics are indeed good and that color does bring the best out of a game. Playing dark/gray colors through a game in the year of 2010 (when I believe it will come out) will only attract a smal herd of people. Most people like color and using the color to enhance the mood.
All in all, this has turned into hatred for people condoning/spreading this petition. People view it, see the images/read the text, don't give it a second thought (since the text/images are biased) and sign it. I just don't think people signing that petition reflect more than once upon what they are asking. A grey/dull world, which in no way is what creates a scary world.
stillman
25-07-2008, 17:11
Before this escalates, I want to point out that there are MANY threads on this forum that go into great detail about every aspec of this arguement. I recently looked at the last, oldest thread in these "D3 General Discussion Forums" and they go all the way back to topics like "Will there ever be a d3?" and theories on the spalsh images. The petition debates are somewhere, you just have search a little. There's one called "Is that a rainbow in my d3?" and "Stupid petitions" and other counter-arguments to the petition.
I kind of hope people don't recycle the arguments because I like to read many of the newer threads and it wastes time to reread the old debates.
Gigashadow
25-07-2008, 17:15
Yergh. Graphics are nothing... I think TQ looks better than DIII... so what? DIII will improve, just like SC, D, DII, and SCII did. Even if they don't, graphics is not what I seek. The lower they are, the less I have to worry about my computer's hardware. I am much more worried about sounds, music, the components that most companies fail to deal with properly.
krega, check this link out.
D3 is NOT like WoW (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=670641)
You can't say Diablo 3 looks like WoW and still keep your credibility, But you can (usually) get away with it not looking not Diablo enough.
Ammareddo_Fritter
26-07-2008, 03:42
These comparisons are also from a very short gameplay video of a dungeon where the dungeons is bound to have dungeon like lightning.
But. .. but, it doesn't have dungeon like lighting. Thats the problem. It's green & blue. Where have you seen a green & blue dungeon?
I love the color, as long as they keep it above ground.
But. .. but, it doesn't have dungeon like lighting. Thats the problem. It's green & blue. Where have you seen a green & blue dungeon?
I love the color, as long as they keep it above ground.
Man I can't wait till they release screen shots of the Heaven areas in Diablo III. "OMG that doesn't look like REAL heaven!!!"
As far as Im concerned ur the problem. Diablo is a pretty main stream game wouldnt you say?
Why not improve the graphics. Does it get worse? Does it overshadow the gameplay or something?
Instead of posting simply to attack my opinions TRY to add something relevant (though uv proven urself to have difficulties doing so in the past).
Blizzard already said they like the look of the game, nothing is going to be changed. Also we have only seen one area of the game, many of the other places may have a darker look.
Pandemic
26-07-2008, 06:08
No, I will not sign your petition.
Gamers who put graphics ahead of game play deserve the pity of gamers that can think instead of just twitch fast.
I have faith in Blizzard, who have never produced a dud.
I can't understand why, several years away from release, sentient human being could be worrying about how the game looks now?
Relax
I didnt tell anyone to do anything. I asked people to sign it, provided they share my opinion.
Searched the forums and I couldnt find anything so I posted it, as I pointed out, to make sure everyone knew about it. Im terribly sorry if youre tired of the subject, but maybe you can try ignoring it instead of trolling? There might be others like me that havent heard of this until now and would like to sign it.
I apologize if this came off as trolling, I was trying to be light-hearted and just explain why the reaction was the way it was when you posted this. You see the threads regarding these subjects got very long and heated, and post after post was made. I think a lot of people just are happy the game was announced and feel that it is wrong to immediately be complaining or upset about the game.
I seriously hate that petition, wanna know why?
-It'll delay game release
-The petition is hypocritic, saying that the game should look more real looking, yet the environment has to be unnaturally dark (they claim it has to be dark because that D3 is a lore game), so forcing the game to be unnaturally dark makes it less realistic
-D3 has been waited for for 10years, there HAS to be changes
-D3 was NEVER scary, so making the environment look darker is just a pathetic attempt that wouldn't any change anyone's overall opinion of the game
-Darker environment makes it harder to enjoy the beautiful, modern scenery
-In my case, dark lore graphics make me sleepy
-I love watching monsters spill blood, and dark sceneries make it harder for me to see the waste I left behind
and if im bored enough, i could just sit here for another hour and think of many more reasons, but i prefer not to
Anyways, the petition writer is a moron, I can almost guarantee (99.99% sure) that he'll buy D3 regardless of whether the graphics are changed or not, and eventually will get used to it.
Besides, its normal human quality to hate new things (especially when they never seen it in action or used it before), and learn to love it once it is accepted.
-Darker environment makes it harder to enjoy the beautiful, modern scenery
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This is actually very true and to the point. Doom (original) was not always a "dark" game. In fact almost most of the levels were very bright. Now flash forward years later they finally come out with Doom 3 and it's ooh aah dark atmosphere. Well I think it was summed up best when someone referred to it as "id's patented Can't See S**t technology" when referring to the graphics engine. While Doom 3 was graphically very good at the time...in the first hour or so of play, after it just became so bleeping tiresome. Dark hallway after dark hallway. So what were we left with? A game where 80% of it we never see because we where in the dark, literally.
I agree, with the graphics as they are, I WANT to see. The dark/gothic atmosphere that certain people want will be kitsch for about one month. In fact, I would bet anything that if the game was originally planned the way they wanted, they would complain after that you couldn't see anything. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
There is no guarantee that Blizzard will come out with multiple expansions or a D4 shortly after. We should assume that there is a strong possibility that we might be playing this game for some time (although hopefully not as long as D2). With this in mind, I think in the long term the chosen graphics are exactly the way they need to be.
One last thing...this is just a bleeping video game after all, not some classic story. So I really do not see the demand where people say "But Diablo is a dark story, the game should be dark". No, Diablo is a comic book game based upon a hacky whacky story by writers who could not get a job writing anywhere else. If you really need a good story, go to your local library.
stillman
26-07-2008, 17:13
Ha ha ha...I like the part about the story writers being unable to get a job elsewhere. If you ask me, the whole Diablo story is quite cheesy and holywoodized. Macho man saves world from big guy. See page 6 for details.
Ha ha ha...I like the part about the story writers being unable to get a job elsewhere. If you ask me, the whole Diablo story is quite cheesy and holywoodized. Macho man saves world from big guy. See page 6 for details.
Well believe it or not, true story. A few years back there was an argument at this very site on how they could even make a D3....because the bosses all died. I couldn't believe it when I saw it, I just wanted to scream at these people. Anyone old enough to remember the cheesy 80s fantasy movies like Beastmaster, Krull, Red Sonja, etc...you are absolutely correct, Diablo is a 1980s cheesy Hollywoodized story. Wow, come to think of it, maybe we need a petition now because the graphics aren't cartoony ENOUGH!
Every time I ever reinstalled and started D2 again the first thing I did was increase the contrast and brightness.
I couldnt find a thread that mentioned this petition so just to make sure that people hear about it I have posted this thread.
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3art/petition.html
Please sign it and stop D3 from becoming an isometric WoW. It takes maybe 5min if you read through the entire presentation and send your signature.
Thank you
oh wow, welcome to last year, time traveler.
graphics are nice...but if you sacrifice the story or playability or the atmosphere to pump up the graphics its not worth a dime...once you have a solid game then you can pump up the graphics...
For a dark atmosphere you don't need to be blind...just ambient sounds are usually enough to make almost anything creepy...infact often the bright cartoony things we see so commonly on tv are alot creepier then any horror game i've ever seen...has anyone glimpsed the kinda stuff on tv these days...disgusting...
the trailer was very dark and demonic nothing like the crap that is wow...odds are most people complaining about it looking like wow or being like wow or anything of the sort haven't even played wow themselves...
wow is nothing like the game play video...if you want to make comparisons look at God of War 2...that is alot closer then wow...
back to the graphics argument...most of the best games ever aside from racers and first person shooters don't have uber flashy graphics...while alot of games that went for those flashy graphics really suck...
personally if it is that much of a problem then don't buy the game and go find something else to do with your time because your plea is falling on either the choir or deaf ears...either way its a waste of valuable ladder climbing time...*grumbles about babysitting and not having D2 available...*
jamesisbest
26-07-2008, 21:35
I'm expecting and hoping Blizzard doesn't bother even reading all the petitions, such a waste of time.
SU_Shadow
26-07-2008, 21:46
I couldnt find a thread that mentioned this petition so just to make sure that people hear about it I have posted this thread.
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3art/petition.html
Please sign it and stop D3 from becoming an isometric WoW. It takes maybe 5min if you read through the entire presentation and send your signature.
Thank you
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Diablo is a comic book game based upon a hacky whacky story by writers who could not get a job writing anywhere else. If you really need a good story, go to your local library.
Guess youre right. That loser Richard A Knaak has to work at some dump calles the NY Times. What is that all about...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/340/picardvf4.jpg
Sweet burn :)
Guess youre right. That loser Richard A Knaak has to work at some dump calles the NY Times. What is that all about...
Richard A Knaak was hired AFTER Diablo to write books, he did not create the storyline did he, a storyline that really is not all that original to begin with (Not too mention the fact that I would not compare him to someone like Kurt Vonnegut, seriously will anyone remember this guy in 20 years?). Besides, this is a freaking video game. People want a good story, again go to your local library or bookstore.
No company gives a damn about online petitions because they're too easily forged.
Plus, they know better than anyone here what they need to do to make D3 a great game. If I want to play Diablo 2 I already have that, I don't need to wait for another year or two for them to re-release it. They know they need to keep things fresh to keep making great games.
Richard A Knaak was hired AFTER Diablo to write books, he did not create the storyline did he, a storyline that really is not all that original to begin with (Not too mention the fact that I would not compare him to someone like Kurt Vonnegut, seriously will anyone remember this guy in 20 years?). Besides, this is a freaking video game. People want a good story, again go to your local library or bookstore.
So what? You said they couldnt get a job anywhere else (or maybe you quoted it, I wont bother to check). Im not saying that was retarded...:whistling:
What does the quality of the story have to do with the graphics?! If you dont like the thread DONT POST! Let it fall into oblivion or leave the posting to those who have something constructive to say.
Sein Schatten
28-07-2008, 14:10
Besides, this is a freaking video game. People want a good story, again go to your local library or bookstore.
Redonkolous. How in heavens can you state such a thing with a straight face?
Redonkolous. How in heavens can you state such a thing with a straight face?
Please tell me you are joking?
SlechtWeerBeer
28-07-2008, 16:15
Redonkolous. How in heavens can you state such a thing with a straight face?
I'd ask the same question about "Redonkolous", to be honest. :D
Fifty thousand people signed this ********? *looks stunned*
Sometimes people amaze me.
Sein Schatten
28-07-2008, 16:24
Please tell me you are joking?
Story is important in (most) games.
I'd ask the same question about "Redonkolous", to be honest. :D
It was a joke. ;)
Richard A Knaak was hired AFTER Diablo to write books, he did not create the storyline did he, a storyline that really is not all that original to begin with (Not too mention the fact that I would not compare him to someone like Kurt Vonnegut, seriously will anyone remember this guy in 20 years?). Besides, this is a freaking video game. People want a good story, again go to your local library or bookstore.
Of course we want a good story! THATS THE POINT OF AN RPG! ROLE PLAYING! YOU PLAY A ROLE!
Lets play a role in a non-existing story............................................
Of course we want a good story! THATS THE POINT OF AN RPG! ROLE PLAYING! YOU PLAY A ROLE!
Lets play a role in a non-existing story............................................
These game's arent really about "role playing". They're more about character building and item collecting for OCD types.
These game's arent really about "role playing". They're more about character building and item collecting for OCD types.
I think people would be amazed at how little most players follow any storyline. While it may prove interesting the first time around, in the end it is ALL about gameplay and style. I speak of the vast majority of gamers, not the hardcore fans. While there may be a small percentage of diehards that really get into this whole Diablo lore stuff, they make but a very tiny number.
Do people realize that majority of D2 players have never even heard of this site? I say this with confidence because about 99% of people I talk with online have never heard of dii.net, many of whom by the way are in fact longer term D2 players.
Fifty thousand people signed this ********? *looks stunned*
Sometimes people amaze me.
Sadly, for them, there is in reality not even close to 50k. Someone else can drudge the thread up, but as someone pointed out there was very little to no checks to insure that people did not double sign (hence why online petitions are just plain ***** idiotic). I read both here and another D3 news site that there was some mass re-signing by several people who used some kind of bot.
Regardless, even if 50k was all different signers, that really is just a small percentage. I am quite confident Blizzard is aware that 95% of them will still buy the game. The other 5% I think they would probably prefer anyways they wouldn't buy the game.
Fifty thousand people signed this ********? *looks stunned*
Sometimes people amaze me.
50k sigs Baranor but you can spam it with any number of 'sigs' as there is no verification. It's not worth the paper it's not written on.
ThulRasha
30-07-2008, 01:29
It is pollution of the internet, that's what it is.
When you set up a petition, at least take some effort to get 1 vote per user.
Sein Schatten
30-07-2008, 13:45
It is pollution of the internet, that's what it is.
When you set up a petition, at least take some effort to get 1 vote per user.
You can't. Not without entering some unique, existing code like, in the USA, social security number.
ThulRasha
30-07-2008, 14:23
So... you can. If it is important enough. And if it's not then why even bother?
So... you can. If it is important enough. And if it's not then why even bother?
Then dont?! If you dont like it dont sign it and DONT POST HERE
ThulRasha
30-07-2008, 14:28
Sure, only you are allowed to give your opinion.
Sure, only you are allowed to give your opinion.
This thread is not for whining about online petitions. Start a thread "Dont improve D3" and post these things in there
ThulRasha
30-07-2008, 14:37
This thread is not for whining about online petitions. Start a thread "Dont improve D3" and post these things in there
You post a link to a petiton.
This topic is thus about the petiton as much as about it's contents.
I respond with saying why I think the petition is worthless.
Note that I have not said anything about the contents of the petition, only about the way it is set up.
So your attempts to get me out of this topic and making a thread like you propose is based on nothing.
Funkopotamus
30-07-2008, 17:07
So... you can. If it is important enough. And if it's not then why even bother?
"Would you like to sign a petition for an online video game?"
"Sure"
"I'm going to need your social security number."
Folks, there really needs to be an improvement in attitude by a few people.
Flaming isn't acceptable and won't be tolerated. Kindly re-read the diii.net rules (link at the top of the page and in my sig) before you get yourselves into trouble. We're a friendly forum here and flaming isn't acceptable behaviour here.
Let's make that temp ban I've just had to hand out, the last one, eh?
Thanks.
Sein Schatten
30-07-2008, 18:41
"Would you like to sign a petition for an online video game?"
"Sure"
"I'm going to need your social security number."
Well, you "can" make it more difficult by demanding a real, existing address of the signer. But this won't stop me from pulling 100 adresses out of the telephone book. Yet, in RL, I doubt I can sign a petition 100 times with different adresses. Not to mention it looks stupid if I sit there and sign the petition 100 times with a telephone book lieing next to me. :D
Of course it looks a bit like WoW!! After all WoW is the biggest MMORPG ever, so if it works there it should work here too!
What we tend to forget is that Diablo 3 isn't aimed just to us Diablo fans, but to the general "gamer". I mean if 10 million people found WoW's graphics appealing they WILL implement it to another game too, instead of giving us fans what we want!!
Gigashadow
30-07-2008, 20:54
But. .. but, it doesn't have dungeon like lighting. Thats the problem. It's green & blue. Where have you seen a green & blue dungeon?The problem is not even the color of the lighting, but the way it was executed. It's totally "out of the blue" and very dispersed. Not really the kind of lighting I would expect from magical fires or gas lamps.
Oh, Krega finally got banned? Thank god. Maybe I can start reading these forums again without getting a headache.
Mad Mantis
31-07-2008, 10:40
Oh, Krega finally got banned? Thank god. Maybe I can start reading these forums again without getting a headache.
You can always put a poster you don't like on your ignore list.
50k sigs Baranor but you can spam it with any number of 'sigs' as there is no verification. It's not worth the paper it's not written on.
I lol'ed... well, on the inside. I smiled a bit at least, as the petition isn't written on anything.
Then I got confused about the implications that if it's not worth nothing, then it's either worth less than nothing or more than nothing.
@K-Lined - that's a temp ban. This time.
Please help us by reporting rude or insulting posts using the report post button attached to every post. Although, please be responsible when reporting; a disagreeing opinion isn't necessarily flaming. Also please try to report *recent* posts. I don't want anyone popping through people's post history and reporting stuff from a fortnight ago. :)
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