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nuketillitsallglass
22-07-2008, 18:23
today may be the happiest day of my life ... seeing d3 coming out no lie. happier then the day ill graduate college happier then retirement. blizzard you have no idea
Vertigo X
22-07-2008, 20:24
Apparently he's just late to the party.
lol, i think a bit overstated but I see where you're coming from. I was pretty excited, well still am pretty excited, when I heard about D3. I'll be more excited when I see a definite release date.
I've deleted some posts from this thread due to their unnacceptable nature. There is no reason for anyone to insult other members of the forum, and responses like that have no place here. If you cannot think of something intelligent to post, then do not post a reply at all.
today may be the happiest day of my life ... seeing d3 coming out no lie. happier then the day ill graduate college happier then retirement. blizzard you have no idea
wow ur sad.. if a computer game is the light in ur life maybe u shud start developing them and make sum profit on ur passion. geez
wow ur sad.. if a computer game is the light in ur life maybe u shud start developing them and make sum profit on ur passion. geez
Really, is this called for? Maybe he is not being literal in his praise, but merely using this as an expression of joy at hearing there is a D3. An apology would be appropriate.
Apocalypse
23-07-2008, 00:55
wow ur sad.. if a computer game is the light in ur life maybe u shud start developing them and make sum profit on ur passion. geez
for some people in this world video games are pretty much the only thing they have. i met a good friend in d2 that was bed ridden til the day he died, and games where his only real contact with the outside world. i would hate to think of what it would have been like without at least that
wow ur sad.. if a computer game is the light in ur life maybe u shud start developing them and make sum profit on ur passion. geez
I've just been through this with some previous posts (though they were deleted). This type of response is not acceptable on this forum. Everyone here should take a moment to review the forum rules (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/faq.php?faq=rules). Show other members of the forum the same respect that you expect to be shown yourself.
i was just a excited when i heard it.. now im really looking forward to a release date!
I was merely giving him a tip that he could do something constructive with his passion for gaming. Why be a follower when you can be a leader.
for some people in this world video games are pretty much the only thing they have. i met a good friend in d2 that was bed ridden til the day he died, and games where his only real contact with the outside world. i would hate to think of what it would have been like without at least that
Wouldnt you agree thats pretty sad as well? Its great for him that he can enjoy himself by gaming and I would without a doubt do the same thing in his situation, but that doesnt diminish the fact that he was in a sad situation where he cant, for example, go sailing or clubbing and stuff like that.
IMO its not healthy to love a game more than your own life outside of gaming and that is why I posted what I did. Though I do apologize for the possibly bitter tone of the post, but hey, its a game forum not a dinner conversation
Apocalypse
23-07-2008, 13:59
oh it is sad, and i hated that he didnt have more, but if thats all you actually have(and movies/books) its at least something. the man loved his games, played constantly. his mother even learned how to game just to be able to play with him. it was funny cause i saw her once in DAOC and before i realized it was here i went about swearing up a store giving her son the usual crap i gave him every day lol
oh it is sad, and i hated that he didnt have more, but if thats all you actually have(and movies/books) its at least something.
I agree completely, but thats not the situation here. The TS is clearly ablebodied or at least not confined to a bed as he talks about going to college and such. Whats wrong with trying to improve your situation if you have the possibility?
This is still just my opinion and many may very well see it as perfectly normal and healthy to completely devote your life to playing games that others make. I do not.
He's just showing a little fanaticism towards the series. No need to disect his life from a single post.
True, but I felt compelled to speak my mind. Im a horrible person that way, nay?
You sure like to put words in people's mouths to make you self seem like a victim. Noone should judge someone based off an irrational post like "This is the happiest day of my life" since when did this thread become "Tell me why you think I'm a sad person because I am Happy that DIII is being developed"
You misinterpreted me. I didnt mean to victimize myself I just pointed out that I am human and I felt like speaking my mind. It might not be what Jesus wouldve done but honestly why make such a big deal out of this? Can a moderator please just delete all off topic posts in this thread and be done with it? I dont understand why Orphan didnt delete my post straight away as he did with the "please dont procreate" post. I would have said nothing more of it, but now when people start whining about my post I have to defend my point of view. But I naturally accept the decision not to delete my post (commandment 9)...
Apocalypse
23-07-2008, 18:53
True, but I felt compelled to speak my mind. Im a horrible person that way, nay?
you are indeed a horrible person but not cause you speak your mind, its cause of that other thing you do. you know what i mean....
lol anyway, i understand your point i was just throwing out that for some people it is the world, not really trying to defend him in anyway, just throwing out something somewhat related to the topic. on a side note i met my friend through the irc chat that this site set up way way way back before d2 launched
Gigashadow
23-07-2008, 21:31
Being into games too much is better than being into pot, drugs, violence, drunk driving, and many other things. I am glad that he's happy. Nothing in this world is more important than being happy and making others happy, nothing.But that doesnt diminish the fact that he was in a sad situation where he cant, for example, go sailing or clubbing and stuff like that.Maybe some people don't want to go sailing or clubbing. Those are just hobbies. So is gaming. How's gaming any better or worse than any other hobby? Hobbies keep people happy, defend them from depression, keep them busy, spice up their life.
Being into games too much is better than being into pot, drugs, violence, drunk driving, and many other things. I am glad that he's happy. Nothing in this world is more important than being happy and making others happy, nothing.Maybe some people don't want to go sailing or clubbing. Those are just hobbies. So is gaming. How's gaming any better or worse than any other hobby? Hobbies keep people happy, defend them from depression, keep them busy, spice up their life.
In my experience gaming is worse than many other hobbies like sports for example firstly because it presents you with health issues like weight problems, carpal tunnel, strained eyes and so on. Dont try to deny it because its a proven fact and I wont bother to back it up with a written source. Secondly, it robs you of important social interaction and of course I mean face to face in case you wondered. If anyone wants to argue that you develop vital social skills by joining a party online then please have something REALLY relevant to back it up with. Also it is a powerful way to escape reality and avoid problems that might grow. This happened to me during high school and that might be the most prominent reason as to why I reacted to the TS post like I did. That kind of joy over a game is a close to sure sign of gaming addiction and that is a dark place. I could have chosen to go all shrinky on him but Im 19 years old which is why I tried to wake him up by "constructively ridicule" him. Im not an oracle and I tried to help him in the way I thought appropriate and Im terribly sorry if what I did was wrong, but how that is I still cant see.
Sein Schatten
23-07-2008, 23:20
I agree with KREGA.
There is no way to look at it. Face to face is the only real social interaction. Over the hundreds of thousands of years humans have developed that skill to read each other. You ALWAYS KNOW IMMEDIATLY when someone is laughing/smiling. Be it an asian, european or american. You know it by looking in their face. There is no substitute from that. Telephoning or chatting is nothing compared to looking at someones face.
Gigashadow
23-07-2008, 23:26
In my experience gaming is worse than many other hobbies like sports for example firstly because it presents you with health issues like weight problems, carpal tunnel, strained eyes and so on.Sports present you with injuries. Gaming doesn't present you with anything. Weight problems come from not doing anything besides gaming. Weight problems come from overuse of cars, and from McDonalds. If people had to walk everywhere and didn't eat crap that wouldn't be an issue. Carpal tunnel is a genetic condition, occurs in select people, and usually is more related to clicking activities rather than keyboard activity, so I guess Diablo is more apt to cause it, but not gaming in general, especially keyboard-only gaming and such. Strained eyes is a joke. LCD monitors strain your eyes much less than reading or looking at contrasted light. Strained eyes come from reading with a flashlight, looking at the monitor when it's dark around it, etc. My mom spends 90% of a day on a computer her eyesight is perfect, and my dad's is decaying. It's genetics.
Dont try to deny it because its a proven factLOL Nice argument.
Secondly, it robs you of important social interaction and of course I mean face to face in case you wondered.Tell that to people who go around forming lan parties, or visit internet cafes and meet people there. Whether or not are people robbed of social interaction relies on how they present themselves, not on whether or not is gaming a hobby.
Also it is a powerful way to escape reality So is alcohol. Gaming is better than alcohol, I believe. There is also nothing wrong with escaping reality. Photography permits you to forget about reality just as good as gaming does. Sometimes you have to go do something that lets you forget about problems.
What you mean is avoiding responsibility for problems, and that's a bit different. If a person doesn't solve problems it's not an issue of gaming or any hobby, for that matter.
This happened to me during high schoolThis never happened to me in any school. I am pretty close to a valedictorian, yet I play a lot of games and spend a lot of time on them. If you can't manage your time don't blame it on a hobby.
That kind of joy over a game is a close to sure sign of gaming addiction and that is a dark place.I disagree. I can get very joyful from games, and I do, and I am nowhere near being addicted. I once spent 3 months never touching a computer when it was in front of me in my room because I had piles of homework and stuff to do.
I agree completely, but thats not the situation here. The TS is clearly ablebodied or at least not confined to a bed as he talks about going to college and such. Whats wrong with trying to improve your situation if you have the possibility?
This is still just my opinion and many may very well see it as perfectly normal and healthy to completely devote your life to playing games that others make. I do not.
Funny how you stick to your high moral ground even when you try to make amends. What i read is a kid happy as christmas eve about the news. What you read is probably how much time you feel you wasted yourself.
Really astonishing...
Sure sports can present you with injuries. Theyre accidents! Clicking a mouse rendering an arm muscle stressed out causing cramps and internal infection, which is so not a genetical thing (dont know what spacebrain ever told you that) is something you bring upon yourself by excessive use of a mouse by playing games for example.
Saying that strained eyes is a joke is just wierd I dont know how to counter that. Our planet being round is a joke...
What relevance does your dad being dead have in this discussion?
If I thought it was worth the trouble I would scan a copy of a swedish medical magazine I have that deals with these problems with excessive computer use amongst other things. Please dont use your mother as a reference. My best friend's grandmother smokes a pack of cigarettes every day and has done so for 40 years and does not have lung cancer inspite of this fact I choose not to argue that smoking doesnt cause lung cancer.
Ive been to LAN-parties and cafes and I admit that they in some ways are very social events, but please make an honest estimate of the percentage of your gaming you spend talking to others about things that are not strictly game related. BTW I didnt say gaming isnt a hobbie, I said that it in many ways is a destructive hobbie if practised incorrectly.
Yes alcohol is worse. Did I suggest to take a couple Jägermeisters instead of gaming? Mustve slipped my mind... Please be realistic and not just try to win a point. How many have problems with gaming addiction compared to photography addiction?
How do you figure? If one has a problem and then choose to ignore it and use gaming as a way to forget about it then how is that not an issue of gaming?
Good for you (had to look up validictorian because we dont have that in sweden(notice the valIdictorian mr.valedictorian)), sad thing is not everyone has the disciplin to do what you do. I know I dont. Im not blaming it on gaming but Im acknowledging a problem that gaming presents many with.
Again, good for you. I recognized the feeling and that is my conclusion based on personal experience.
Heres the magazine I mentioned, couldnt find the article tho
http://www.sfam.se/english.html
This is an english introduction to the organisation and paper.
Funny how you stick to your high moral ground even when you try to make amends. What i read is a kid happy as christmas eve about the news. What you read is probably how much time you feel you wasted yourself.
Correct! Please read my two latest posts
I took this all as merely an expression of joy, why are so many of you jumping the gun to take this so literally? Seems many would prefer to just troll and pass judgment on others. Kind of idiotic that this thread as gone this far, when the OP merely wished to express his happiness at the news. End of story, I am sure many would certainly not like someone looking in the archive for posts they made similar now?
Punkonjunk
24-07-2008, 00:27
My friends and I literally exploded when we heard about this. Not literally but pretty close. It's been so long a wait. Me and a few friends are taking off for the month after release. See you at the top of the ladder, folks. :)
I took this all as merely an expression of joy, why are so many of you jumping the gun to take this so literally? Seems many would prefer to just troll and pass judgment on others. Kind of idiotic that this thread as gone this far, when the OP merely wished to express his happiness at the news. End of story, I am sure many would certainly not like someone looking in the archive for posts they made similar now?
Have you read the posts in this thread or just skimmed parts?
I am not trolling I am trying to, in my own way, help someone avoid making the same mistake I did once.
I agree that the thread has gone insane, thats why I posted this:
Can a moderator please just delete all off topic posts in this thread and be done with it? I dont understand why Orphan didnt delete my post straight away as he did with the "please dont procreate" post. I would have said nothing more of it, but now when people start whining about my post I have to defend my point of view.
Gigashadow
24-07-2008, 00:35
Sure sports can present you with injuries. Theyre accidents!Considering that losing your balls from a hockey ball is an accident, I'd rather have carpal tunnel. Sports can be played safely, they can be played highly dangerously (without equipment, etc.). Same with gaming. If you game occasionally, it's fine, if you game all day long and forfeit your life, it's not fine. How do you know how the OP lives?
Clicking a mouse rendering an arm muscle stressed out causing cramps and internal infection, which is so not a genetical thing (dont know what spacebrain ever told you that) is something you bring upon yourself by excessive use of a mouse by playing games for example.I read on carpal town, the majority of people that get it don't play games, they do office stuff. Such as using economy programs or other software, reading stuff, browsing forums... my mom got it and she hardly ever plays games. In fact, these days, she doesn't play games at all. Either way, carpal tunnel is caused by computers, not gaming.
Saying that strained eyes is a joke is just wierd I dont know how to counter that. Our planet being round is a joke...It's a joke because LCD's do not really decay eyesight all that much. Television, and reading, do so as well. In fact I find my eyes are much more strained by reading a book than looking at pictures on my monitor...
Also, anyone who uses a computer will have his eyes strained. In schools, they make you sit in front of CTR (correct me on the abbr) monitors. They are MUCH worse than an LCD. Secondly, computers are future. Either way you are going to sit in front of them. Whether you game or not is a different question. 3D modelers, programmers (my intended profession), managers, office people, scientists, ****, every profession that deals with technology deals with computers. I am ready to wear glasses, or contact lenses, and if that's what I need to spend my time with a computer, I will do so.
What relevance does your dad being dead have in this discussion?I meant the eyesight of my father is deteriorating, not that he's dead. He's almost 50, spent his all life in front of computers, and is still able to see with glasses, and that's given he spent most of his time in front of CRT monitors, not the LCD ones...
BTW I didnt say gaming isnt a hobbie, I said that it in many ways is a destructive hobbie if practised incorrectly.Sports can be just as destructive, as I demonstrated above.
How many have problems with gaming addiction compared to photography addiction?Got no clue. My dad sure spends tons of money on photography, and he loves playing his Heretic II.
How do you figure? If one has a problem and then choose to ignore it and use gaming as a way to forget about it then how is that not an issue of gaming?That's an issue of the person.
Good for you (had to look up validictorian because we dont have that in sweden(notice the valIdictorian mr.valedictorian)), sad thing is not everyone has the disciplin to do what you do. I know I dont. Im not blaming it on gaming but Im acknowledging a problem that gaming presents many with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valedictorian
I don't know Swedish... But it's most certainly valEdictorian (and wiki explains why), and if I need to scan my school docs to prove that to you, I will.
Heres the magazine I mentioned, couldnt find the article tho
http://www.sfam.se/english.html
This is an english introduction to the organisation and paper.I'll go read that.
My friends and I literally exploded when we heard about this. Not literally but pretty close. It's been so long a wait. Me and a few friends are taking off for the month after release. See you at the top of the ladder, folks. :)
That felt really off topic because it was so very on topic... :crazy:
I recommend you guys take it to PM's before someone gets banned, but that's only a suggestion.
Quite childish way of arguing that sports is worse than gaming.
Since I interpreted it like the TS spends too much time playing games this is what I fear hes putting himself through and whats wrong with trying to get him to choose alternative hobbies that dont present you with these problems?
You dont say. I work with transaction management at an investment bank so I know of this because it has acted up now when I started working there (contracted carpal tunnel by playing DotA). Did you notice the "for example" in the end of the sentence? Figured it was the most relevant thing to mention since we're discussing gaming.
Games stress the eyes much more than other types of computer usage.
Of course computers are important but why expose yourself even more by spending your spare time in front of one?
Thought you were fishing for pity points or something :P
LOL... If youre born you risk dying. Get some perspective.
Idd. That was my argument, get your own.
Touché. Youre not adressing the argument tho.
Please go ahead.
Gigashadow
24-07-2008, 01:05
I can't talk to you if you don't quote me since I don't know what you are referring to. :/
My point is, hobbies can be dangerous, computers can be damaging, and all this relies on the person not on the hobby. At this point I end this discussion (I won't reply to you) before we are really banned.
well, sure hobbies can be dangerous.. but so can anything else, for that matter.
if the guy felt like living like that, it's his choice.. what about all the football (soccer) players? the train every week, every day. that's the same?
I can't talk to you if you don't quote me since I don't know what you are referring to. :/
My point is, hobbies can be dangerous, computers can be damaging, and all this relies on the person not on the hobby. At this point I end this discussion (I won't reply to you) before we are really banned.
Didnt want to put all that time into editing the quotes like you do so I adressed you arguments chronologically.
My point is that there is a difference between gaming and other hobbies. Caffeine is bad for you, heroine is bad for you. Do you think it entirely depends on the character of the person which is more dangerous?
Get real
Gigashadow
24-07-2008, 01:17
Caffeine is not bad for you in small quantities. Totally depends on the person. Heroin is a drug. Not a hobby. Gaming is a hobby. It has advantages and disadvantages.
Can I ask how this discussion is offtopic, btw? It discusses they guy's reaction, doesn't it?
I can't talk to you if you don't quote me since I don't know what you are referring to. :/
My point is, hobbies can be dangerous, computers can be damaging, and all this relies on the person not on the hobby. At this point I end this discussion (I won't reply to you) before we are really banned.
Caffeine is not bad for you in small quantities. Totally depends on the person. Heroin is a drug. Not a hobby. Gaming is a hobby. It has advantages and disadvantages.
Can I ask how this discussion is offtopic, btw? It discusses they guy's reaction, doesn't it?
Way to end it :thumbup:
I cant be bothered with you anymore. Youre not looking to come to a conclusion, you just want to win the argument no matter what.
today may be the happiest day of my life ... seeing d3 coming out no lie. happier then the day ill graduate college happier then retirement. blizzard you have no idea
He's happy that Blizzard is working on Diablo III after 7-8 years of Diablo II. Apparently he's been hoping that they were going to develop it and he's expressing how excited he is. Sure the wording is a little funky but well, he said it. There wasn't anything in there like "I'm going to drop out of school, or Diablo III is the e-drug I've been waiting for to end the shakes, man."
Can I ask how this discussion is offtopic, btw? It discusses they guy's reaction, doesn't it?
If you wanted to stay on topic in the thread say something like... "Yay I'm excited that D3 is comming out too!" or "OMG I'd never buy D3, not when there is W.o.W : The Lich King/Starcraft II or Guild Wars 2 on their way."
If you wanted to stay on topic in the thread say something like... "Yay I'm excited that D3 is comming out too!" or "OMG I'd never buy D3, not when there is W.o.W : The Lich King/Starcraft II or Guild Wars 2 on their way."
You spoke my mind
poroboszcz
24-07-2008, 02:13
Well, that thread is sad. I could have written something similar to this guy just after I saw the game announcement (I think I actually did on some other forums.. :grin:). Do you think his statement was based on the in-depth anylysis of his whole life rather than temporary overexcitement caused by the news he'd just heard? I share his feelings and I was really moved when I saw the announcement movie and trailer from WWI.
As to your discussion here is an interesting article (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26419690&sid=6192114&om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;7) I've read recently.
According to media outlet News.com.au, Dan Loton from Melbourne-based Victoria University undertook an honours research project to determine if there was a relationship between games, social skills, and self-esteem. Loton found that there was no direct connection between excessive game playing and social skills and self-esteem. According to the study, when it comes to game addicts, only 1 percent suffered from shyness.
My opinion is that ANYTHING can be harmful and dangerous if you overdo it, but comparing ways of spending free time and trying to argue which is better then others is fully sunbjective and, in the end, pointless.
Didnt want to put all that time into editing the quotes like you do so I adressed you arguments chronologically.
My point is that there is a difference between gaming and other hobbies. Caffeine is bad for you, heroine is bad for you. Do you think it entirely depends on the character of the person which is more dangerous?
Get real
Since I'd put gaming closer to caffeine than to heroine, I suggest that you get real.
I dont understand why Orphan didnt delete my post straight away as he did with the "please dont procreate" post. I would have said nothing more of it, but now when people start whining about my post I have to defend my point of view. But I naturally accept the decision not to delete my post (commandment 9)...
I deleted the initial posts because of their content, yes, but after seeing another post similar to it I planned to leave it as an example, otherwise people won't know what not to do (as they cannot see deleted posts).
The topic seems to have veered more towards a debate on the health and social aspects of video games. This isn't necessary a bad thing, as it's not even completey OT from the original post, just as long as it remains mature and doesn't involve anything against the forum rules (which in my opinion it has).
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