Corporate social Responsibility

[chenghao]

Corporate social responsibility (CSR, also called corporate responsibility, corporate citizenship, and responsible business) is a concept whereby organizations consider the interests of society by taking responsibility for the impact of their activities on customers, suppliers, employees, shareholders, communities and other stakeholders, as well as the environment. This obligation is seen to extend beyond the statutory obligation to comply with legislation and sees organizations voluntarily taking further steps to improve the quality of life for employees and their families as well as for the local community and society at large.

having said this , perharps diablo 3 could have some features like having a timer for how long you have diablo 3 application on ? or if your local time is past midnight , could implement a periodic reminder about the timings (similar to Igoogle) ?

cos gaming addiction is a problem ?

[johntorrio]

uh....wow...Please turn off the internet now.

[stillman]

Hmm...when I started reading, I thought it would be about something like your chr gaining something (a vendor discount?) by helping the general mass of the d3 comunity (somehow). Did anyone else have that happen?

[SlechtWeerBeer]

There's this cute command on Battlenet, it goes like this: /time

It shows you the server time and local time. Use it? Just get a self-induced OCD to type it after every few mobs. Or get a clock.

[Deuterium]

Haha oh wow get some ****ing self control instead of requiring others to take responsibility for you.

[johntorrio]

Hmm...when I started reading, I thought it would be about something like your chr gaining something (a vendor discount?) by helping the general mass of the d3 comunity (somehow). Did anyone else have that happen?

I felt the same way

[Brother Laz]

Boo-hoo, I got addicted to games, I need someone else to take care of me so I don't have to!

Also, have you heard of these:

http://www.badmatten.nl/contents/media/clock.jpg

I heard they are quite useful.

[slickr]

Corporate social responsibility (CSR, also called corporate responsibility, corporate citizenship, and responsible business) is a concept whereby organizations consider the interests of society by taking responsibility for the impact of their activities on customers, suppliers, employees, shareholders, communities and other stakeholders, as well as the environment. This obligation is seen to extend beyond the statutory obligation to comply with legislation and sees organizations voluntarily taking further steps to improve the quality of life for employees and their families as well as for the local community and society at large.

having said this , perharps diablo 3 could have some features like having a timer for how long you have diablo 3 application on ? or if your local time is past midnight , could implement a periodic reminder about the timings (similar to Igoogle) ?

cos gaming addiction is a problem ?

No, and you lost way tooo much time on your post so go rest!

Anyways WTF are you even talking about, if you have game addiction problem go heal, visit a doctor, post in some medical forum, this doesn't concern any game, any game developer and certainly does not belong in this forum!

[NKlint]

Big Brother is watching you!

http://www.thecartorialist.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/1984bigbrotherposter_nazi.jpg

1984 was just ahead of it's time, think 2084 if ideas like these become enforced.

[Sein Schatten]

Boo-hoo, I got addicted to games, I need someone else to take care of me so I don't have to!


Boo-hoo, I got addicted to crack, I need someone else to take care of me so I don't have to!

Valid argument or invalid?

[NKlint]

I'd like to know what games you're playing that create a physical addiction :wink:

[SlechtWeerBeer]

Boo-hoo, I got addicted to crack, I need someone else to take care of me so I don't have to!

Valid argument or invalid?

Invalid. Crack has crap in it that your body gets addicted to. When you stop with crack, your body will scream for whatever it is missing cause you stopped using crack.

However, a game is not something your body needs (be it standard or self-induced need). thus it is a whole different story.

Although you still need help when you're addicted to crack. But that's not the point I'm trying to make.

[Sein Schatten]

Invalid. Crack has crap in it that your body gets addicted to. When you stop with crack, your body will scream for whatever it is missing cause you stopped using crack.

However, a game is not something your body needs (be it standard or self-induced need). thus it is a whole different story.

Although you still need help when you're addicted to crack. But that's not the point I'm trying to make.

Yet it can make people addicted.
When you stop gambling or another psychological dependant addiction you get withdrawal symptoms.

[SlechtWeerBeer]

Yet it can make people addicted.
When you stop gambling or another psychological dependant addiction you get withdrawal symptoms.

*ahem* that is the fault of the person, not gambling, not the game, not the casino, no the publisher. The person him-/herself is responsible.

Gambling is addictive due to the thought you could, perhaps, with a little bit of luck make a huge profit. But we lose, and we try to win back our money, because there's a chance, and you know it will come, that you win.

[redrobot]

Although I don't think gaming addiction has reached the point of creating social problems (yet), there has been instances where people have died from dehydration after playing video games for too long.
There was even a case in South Korea where a baby died because the parents left him/her and went out to an internet cafe to play games for over 18 hours.
And another case where a man in China played a game for over 3 days, then just slumped over and died.

[NKlint]

It seems to me that we aren't hearing the whole story with those people... I doubt that any semi-responsible person would leave their infant at home unsupervised, and as for the Man in China... That's sounds ridiculous and made up to me, even though I have heard about that in fact was playing Guild Wars. They even added a Timer in the game which gave you on-the-hour reminders to take a break and disconnected you after 24 hours of straight play, but all you have to do is reconnect again to start the timer over.

I suppose what I'm saying is there had to have been something more seriously wrong with those people, mentally. Instinct just sort of sets in after a while, ya know?

[SlechtWeerBeer]

NKlint: Correct. That timer indeed exists, because of Chinese laws or something weird

[Unholy_Carnage]

It's not anyones responsibility to handle their addictions but themselves. It's not blizzards responsibility to cater to people who can't handle themselves. It's no ones. Sounds like an attempt to deflect blame to something other then yourself. Or themselves. Man up and fix it. It's that simple.

[Sein Schatten]

*ahem* that is the fault of the person, not gambling, not the game, not the casino, no the publisher. The person him-/herself is responsible.

Let's legalize all drugs. It is the persons fault who took it, right?
It is a bit more complicated than that.
Gamblers, for example, can tell casinos they want to be blacklisted. That blacklists is final. Once you say it, you will never get entrance to a legal casino for your whole life.
Instead of sounding like drug addicts (seriously, some replies sound like that.) one should think about what the OP said.

[SU_Shadow]

Not much I object to in video games, that I would. But I am of the attitude that if I am not hurting anyone, mind you own busness.

[Brother Laz]

Let's legalize all drugs. It is the persons fault who took it, right?

The difference is that if you take drugs, you're going to beat up someone or run them over with your car. If you kill your life with a video game, it only hurts you and you brought it upon yourself.

[Apocalypse]

d3 should just limit the servers, 1 hour per week per cd key, thats the ticket. hell it will increase sales, people will be 35 copies to get enough game time in.

i mean seriously, if you get addicted to a game and that costs you your spouse, job, or even life, there really is no hope for you anyway. you would be one of those people with an addictive personalities and no matter what you do you will get hooked

[sicilian]

Why stop there?

I want every store to have to check my income and compare it to my recent expenditures to make sure I don't get in too much debt.

I want restaurants to compare my weight to my height and refuse to serve me dessert if I'm more than 10 pounds too heavy.

I want my employer to call me every morning an hour before work to make sure I'm up. Why should I have to set my own alarm? If I miss work, that's bad for me, which makes it someone else's responsibility to make sure I reach my career potential.

For every instance of someone dying because they played too many games, there are a million cases of people playing games and NOTHING HAPPENING.

Don't panic because a handful of people are idiots. A man once died because he farted too much in a room with poor ventilation... should we regulate bodily functions too? I know my gf would appreciate it ;)

[NKlint]

This is getting a little out-of-hand with the sarcasm :O

It's not like the OP wanted to discuss how irresponsible the people who let themselves get swept away by "video game addiction". The OP wanted to see what people had to say about whether future games needed some sort of enforced play-limit that would prevent people from allowing themselves to obsess over the game. It's not unprecedented (chinese law (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4183340.stm)) and considering that many video game players are children it might not be a bad idea.

Personally I'm against it because it's too extreme. I think a reminder like the one on Guild Wars' on-the-hour timer might be better because even I sometimes lose track of the time when I'm playing for a while.

[5zigen]

Let's legalize all drugs. It is the persons fault who took it, right?
It is a bit more complicated than that.
Gamblers, for example, can tell casinos they want to be blacklisted. That blacklists is final. Once you say it, you will never get entrance to a legal casino for your whole life.
Instead of sounding like drug addicts (seriously, some replies sound like that.) one should think about what the OP said.

Games aren't drugs.

Games aren't gambling.

The danger of gaming addiction is so exaggerated, like computer addiction.

If you're going to make an argument for the abandonment of responsibility of the user at least make a logical one, not a strawman ("legalize all drugs") or ad homeneim ("instead of sounding like drug addicts").

The gambling analogy is neat though, because the gambler himself has to go to the casino and put himself on the blacklist, thus it's the GAMBLER's responsibility. The casino doesn't put him on the blacklist automatically.

It's the gamers responsibility to get help, people who have no problem shouldn't be interrupted for the sake of people who end up playing too much.

[Gigashadow]

Gaming addiction may be a problem, but I don't think things like these would help it, and they would only annoy normal players who do not need reminders to control their time.

I played WoW, I played Diablo II, I played many other games. They are not drugs.

[Chard]

Woh hold on here. This swung from friendly reminders on playing time (which other games have, guildwars most notably), to how valid is video game addiction. If we are going to talk about the psychological impact of addiction to gaming then we have to make some broader strokes hear to actually unite the other factors of addiction such as social/economic status and the status that is gained through the gaming. I contend that video game addiction isn't so much an addiction to the playing itself BUT an addiction to the status that once commands in the community one plays in. If it were an addiction to the reward then usually most any game will do, however an addiction to the specific game would suggest something other than just the game itself as having the addictive quality. Yes gambling addicts have their game, but that is for tangible physical reward that they can grasp. In something as abstract as a video game is, being the most "badass" if you will and maintaining that is the draw.

If factors like this aren't going to be brought into the discussion then it isn't worth having as it can't further the knowledge or scope of understanding for any of us. *Note here my assumption and placement of value on scope of understanding as being that which is worthwhile for gain from discussion.

[johntorrio]

Boo-hoo, I got addicted to crack, I need someone else to take care of me so I don't have to!

Valid argument or invalid?

because the next logical progression from game addition is crack addiction...
:coffee:

[Jesse24]

I'm going to skip all this intellectualy stimulating discussion :lol2:

Instead I will say this: If they didn't do this for WoW, more damage is already done than Diablo 3 will ever cause.

Thank you.

[slickr]

Let's legalize all drugs. It is the persons fault who took it, right?
It is a bit more complicated than that.
Gamblers, for example, can tell casinos they want to be blacklisted. That blacklists is final. Once you say it, you will never get entrance to a legal casino for your whole life.
Instead of sounding like drug addicts (seriously, some replies sound like that.) one should think about what the OP said.
Its not complicated at all.
Hmmm. I think that actually less people will take drugs if they are legal and those who are already addicted will have easier way to stop.
When you control those sorts of things its much easier to keep track of how many and how much is using and then react accordingly if needed.
I say this because if drugs were legal, it may come to a greater use at first, but after some time it will become something familiar with everyone, something you can go to the store and just buy it and thus less people will have the mystic feeling about drugs.
Now people are just stupid and want to take drug say heroin for example because they think it will make their day more fun, its illegal so there is the rush about taking it and so on...

On the other hand games are a totally different thing.
Its all mind games, same as say if you have some habits and/or superstition like say moving your hand in a same fashion before say you go on a date or changing your tennis racket every 5th set of the tennis game and so on...
Its really something a man convinces himself, like for example if you convince yourself D3 graphics are bad, then there in less than 10% chance of me being able to change your mind.
The best way is for you to reanalyze your opinion and get a new one, but that is never easy!

Anyways my point is that it is everyone responsibility as a single, on themself.
Example: you can go to the market and buy yourself good quality food or you decide to eat food with expired consumption date that's left in your fridge!
Now if you decide option 2 is best for you, is it the market faults, is it the food producers fault, it it the nature of food getting bad after some time fault or is it your fault for eating expired food?

The answer is as clear as day.

the same is for games, if you have addiction its your faults you got one and its your responsibility to deal with it.

[Funkopotamus]

Hmm... I'd be with it if you could turn it off. Usually those kinds of messages are annoying. If I want to spend 8 hours slingshotting bananas into barrels or scooping fish out of a swimming pool with a backhoe that's my business.

[phool]

Considering I'm philosophically (though not politically) libertarian... hell no.

[stillman]

Well, you've got to admit, this thread has got some originality to it.
At least it's not "So...no necro in d3??"

This thread is pretty funny too! Slingshoting bananas into barrels for 8 hours....Do you not see the consequences? You're wasting food! And making a damn mess of you're appartment/house.

[sicilian]

Well, you've got to admit, this thread has got some originality to it.
At least it's not "So...no necro in d3??"

This thread is pretty funny too! Slingshoting bananas into barrels for 8 hours....Do you not see the consequences? You're wasting food! And making a damn mess of you're appartment/house.

And PETA might have a problem with the fish/backhoe thing he mentioned too ;)

I agree though, good change of pace thread.

[Sein Schatten]

The difference is that if you take drugs, you're going to beat up someone or run them over with your car. If you kill your life with a video game, it only hurts you and you brought it upon yourself.

There are incidents of people killing other people over some game reasons. Weren't there 1-2 murders based on some WoW stuff?
Gamblers will also resort to criminal actions to get money.

because the next logical progression from game addition is crack addiction...
:coffee:

It is an addiction. Yes, it is not always black and white but grey in reality. Still, gaming addiction is an addiction and has similar characteristics. One is physical and one is psychological.

Well, you've got to admit, this thread has got some originality to it.
At least it's not "So...no necro in d3??"


Exactly. That is why I posted. Those other D3 = WoW threads and whatever are as entertaining as a furuncle. ;)

Anyways my point is that it is everyone responsibility as a single, on themself.
Example: you can go to the market and buy yourself good quality food or you decide to eat food with expired consumption date that's left in your fridge!
Now if you decide option 2 is best for you, is it the market faults, is it the food producers fault, it it the nature of food getting bad after some time fault or is it your fault for eating expired food?

The answer is as clear as day.

the same is for games, if you have addiction its your faults you got one and its your responsibility to deal with it.

I never disputed that, I hope. Of course we are responsible for our own actions, most of the time. ;)
Still, there is nothing wrong with what the OP stated. A friendly reminder about how much you played.
And you should know, most of the times, addicts don't know and won't understand they are addicted. This includes gaming addiction.

[johntorrio]

There are incidents of people killing other people over some game reasons. Weren't there 1-2 murders based on some WoW stuff?
Gamblers will also resort to criminal actions to get money.



It is an addiction. Yes, it is not always black and white but grey in reality. Still, gaming addiction is an addiction and has similar characteristics. One is physical and one is psychological.



Exactly. That is why I posted. Those other D3 = WoW threads and whatever are as entertaining as a furuncle. ;)



I never disputed that, I hope. Of course we are responsible for our own actions, most of the time. ;)
Still, there is nothing wrong with what the OP stated. A friendly reminder about how much you played.
And you should know, most of the times, addicts don't know and won't understand they are addicted. This includes gaming addiction.

The fact is this is about game addiction NOT crack addiction.

You're trying to make a validation that crack addiction is the same as game addiction. Which-unless you a formal training in addiction and its causes-is pointless for you to try to justify it.

[Sein Schatten]

The fact is this is about game addiction NOT crack addiction.

You're trying to make a validation that crack addiction is the same as game addiction. Which-unless you a formal training in addiction and its causes-is pointless for you to try to justify it.

The argument he used is valid for all drugs. Get it?

[johntorrio]

are you talking in the 3rd person now??

This isnt a discussion on drug addiction, its about game addiction.

[ThulRasha]

cos gaming addiction is a problem ?

Every addiction can be a problem. It's a bit redundant to add in the word gaming.

Of course, it doesn't need to be a problem. Just don't take it to far. Playing all night long just once in a month for example is no cause to anoy the player with timers popping up and such.

[chenghao]

I am glad you guys are aware of the perils , because some kids who i tutored didn't.

people play games for a variety of reasons
i used to play because its the cheapest entertainment alternative available and i get instant gratification after i get a fantastic drop. Others grind their time away or due to peer influence.

Game companies are supposed to make games (duh). But should they at least inform kids under 18 to play in moderation ? ( of course diablo series is M18 but how hard is it to bypass that restriction ?)

For me i am a bit fundamentalist but i do think that gaming is the opium of the mind.

Addiction by definition:

In medical terminology, addiction is a state in which the body relies on a substance for normal functioning and develops physical dependence. When this substance is suddenly removed, it will cause withdrawal, a characteristic set of signs and symptoms. Addiction is generally associated with increased drug tolerance. In medical terms, addiction is not necessarily associated with substance abuse since addiction can result from using medicine as prescribed by a doctor.

However, common usuage of the term addiction has spread to include a wider range of meanings, including ones associated with psychological dependence. It is used to describe a recurring compulsion by an individual to engage in some specific activity, despite harmful consequences to the individual's health, mental state or social life. The term is often reserved for substance abuse problems or drug addictions but it is sometimes applied to other compulsions, such as problem gambling, and computer addiction. Factors that have been suggested as causes of addiction include genetic, biological/pharmacological, spiritual and social factors.

[Gigashadow]

Well, I always viewed it the responsibility of parents to oversee what their child is playing and for how long. When I was about 8, and all these games (Diablo, WarCraft II, Heretic) were around, my time was limited to an hour a day. But I see a lot of 14-year olds on many forums saying: "When Diablo III comes out, I am skipping school!" I imagine my parents letting me skip school, lol... even some college students say things like that.

Despite that being worrisome, it's all just a choice. I do not want to be monitored because some other person of my age skips school to play the game. I can play for many hours, but still do all my homework, and I never play more or less than I want to. A reminder wouldn't perturb me, but that's the most I would be OK with. I don't want them to turn off Diablo III if I happen to play for 4 hours straight.

[johntorrio]

if the game is M18 rated then it is not up to Blizzard to regulate anything. It is up to the stores to sell the game to people of 18 years of age or older. If the game is used by people under the age of 18 then it is by no fault of Blizzard.