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fledgeling
18-07-2008, 00:25
Should I use energy shield on an SvS sorc?
I think I should, but how many points into energy then? 80 + a SOJ?

I would prefer to have high level teleport and warmth, because it's simply convenient, but perhaps I should stick to level 1 teleport/warmth and put points into energy shield?

sumzy
18-07-2008, 09:20
Definately need energy shield. If you can max tk, es, orb and cm then you may as well just go pure energy. And for svs put a point in thunderstorm and lightning mastery too it puts the opponent into hit recovery regardless of what it hits I think. And as long as you can get fcr on the ammy or use magefists you may as well use 2 sojs.

Creon
18-07-2008, 09:44
You can max ES out and get ~86% when buffed. In this case, you would definitely need max tk. This is preferable for a +rep Sorc, as +5-7 hp/s means a lot when you only take 14% damage to health, 1/6 damage in PvP, and have max CR.

If you want to put points into other skills such as warmth and teleport, a +2/+3 staff with +skills gear to buff (no silks) and 0 points in ES still gets 59% absorbed, meaning you'll take about 3 times as much damage. You will be able to go with low energy, though, so your HP pool will be 2-4 times as large. You get about the same total distance out of such a Sorc, but you get more points for other skills (warmth and teleport being necessary to compensate for less energy) and +rep gear will be less meaningful. The exact numbers would have to be fine tuned to the gear you're using.

Either way, your gear options are based first and foremost around your weapon. A shard Sorc will either use Mfists and get a +2 priz ammy at a discount, or use Shard + FCR ammy + 1 FCR ring, leaving the second ring for options.

A wand Sorc can also choose to go for 70% FCR with Mfists, fcr ammy, and 2* FCR rings, or go for 40% FCR with the same options as the Shard Sorc.

A scepter Sorc can choose to use Mfist + FCR ring, or 2* FCR rings + FCR ammy.

In my opinion, if you have truly amazing gear, the scepter + 2* FCR ring + FCR ammy with massive +rep, +life, +mana, and +CR gear is the godliest build. Obviously, you shouldn't neglect FHR, either. This is with max Orb, CM, ES, tk, and a few points in other places to your liking. Points in Ice Bolt never hurts, and may even be more useful than CM if your opponent has CR stacked to the sky like they should. Just don't tell your opponent, or they may trade out some CR gear for better +life/mana/etc items.

As always, mileage will vary depending upon your driving style.

Monzee
22-07-2008, 21:32
As you are making the char for pvp I would advise you to go with es + tk rather than teleport / warmth. Im afraid I dont quite know the balance between es and tk but I seem to recall tk being maxed before es as you can get a prebuff staff and such. Also keep in mind that you will need as many + skills as possible to further boost your damage and es as well. 1 soj and a +2sorc amulet should do.

I will look through the rest of my mules and see what I have if this is on NL.

Lorg
23-07-2008, 07:51
Haven't done a pvp orber in a long time, but imo max telekinesis and around 15-17 to Es with gear.

fledgeling
23-07-2008, 12:28
I've put 20 points into ES as you recommended and Im using a +2/3 staff of course (actually with +2 thunder storm, I also need to mule a staff with that 3rd armor, but Im not sure if it even is the third armor - can it spawn on staffs?), but I think I dont have enough energy to benefit from it. The bulb goes down quite faaast, while teleporting and using orb!
How much energy should I get? Currently I have base - I kept some spare points to get rid of my amulet perhaps, but I dont think I will be able to put much more into energy (well.. I could always remake!). Currently I have 400vita.

So far the sorc is level 81 only and havent duelled SvS much, but I mostly met fire sorcs and speeders. Both of them seem to be quite resistant to my orb : ( (only level 21, because I cannot find a good amulet and dont use an y sojs) - mostly due to the use of dupes. The firesorc even had the incredible boots with 19dex.. anyway, my mana seems to run out quite fast when teleporting - and ES seems not to help me at all vs speeders, as they still kill me with 2 hits (and I lose all the mana due to ES).
Wonder if it will help orb vs orb.

Currently my setup is:
helmet: 10fhr, 69life, 28cr, 2x lr cap (which I got from Monzee, thank you!); with a 30lr, 20cr, 15fr cap on switch
amulet: +1, 16dex, 19energy, 15cr (with a +20str/16dex/38fr/10lr amulet on switch for cs/fire sorcs); trying to gamble something better..
ring1: 10fcr, 30cr, 29lr, 6str
ring2: 10fcr, 29cr, 30lr, 12energy
boots: 30frw/40cr/39lr
belt: 24fhr/18str/xx life/22cr
shield: lameshield (120cr), lameshield-2 (40fr/80cr), prism shield
armor: 24fhr, xx cr, xx lr, some life
gloves: 7str, 9dex, 29cr

Im still hesitating to use the lameshield, but I think I still dont have enough CR stacked.
In addition, I wonder if I should put 16dex, so that I could equip shard without using any of the +16dex amulets. This was I could use a +1/prism amulet for example... Or a +x/fcr amulet.. Im thinking of putting into dex actually, since I have no clue where to get it (all my fc rings usually have str)

Lorg
23-07-2008, 12:46
I've put 20 points into ES as you recommended and Im using a +2/3 staff of course (actually with +2 thunder storm, I also need to mule a staff with that 3rd armor, but Im not sure if it even is the third armor - can it spawn on staffs?), but I think I dont have enough energy to benefit from it. The bulb goes down quite faaast, while teleporting and using orb!
How much energy should I get? Currently I have base - I kept some spare points to get rid of my amulet perhaps, but I dont think I will be able to put much more into energy (well.. I could always remake!). Currently I have 400vita.

So far the sorc is level 81 only and havent duelled SvS much, but I mostly met fire sorcs and speeders. Both of them seem to be quite resistant to my orb : ( (only level 21, because I cannot find a good amulet and dont use an y sojs) - mostly due to the use of dupes. The firesorc even had the incredible boots with 19dex.. anyway, my mana seems to run out quite fast when teleporting - and ES seems not to help me at all vs speeders, as they still kill me with 2 hits (and I lose all the mana due to ES).
Wonder if it will help orb vs orb.

Currently my setup is:
helmet: 10fhr, 69life, 28cr, 2x lr cap (which I got from Monzee, thank you!); with a 30lr, 20cr, 15fr cap on switch
amulet: +1, 16dex, 19energy, 15cr (with a +20str/16dex/38fr/10lr amulet on switch for cs/fire sorcs); trying to gamble something better..
ring1: 10fcr, 30cr, 29lr, 6str
ring2: 10fcr, 29cr, 30lr, 12energy
boots: 30frw/40cr/39lr
belt: 24fhr/18str/xx life/22cr
shield: lameshield (120cr), lameshield-2 (40fr/80cr), prism shield
armor: 24fhr, xx cr, xx lr, some life
gloves: 7str, 9dex, 29cr

Im still hesitating to use the lameshield, but I think I still dont have enough CR stacked.
In addition, I wonder if I should put 16dex, so that I could equip shard without using any of the +16dex amulets. This was I could use a +1/prism amulet for example... Or a +x/fcr amulet.. Im thinking of putting into dex actually, since I have no clue where to get it (all my fc rings usually have str)

Hmm I if i had to build now i would go for 15-17 ES and 15-max for telekinesis. Mana is a huge factor and you really need more than you are having. Many go for 1 soj and frosts as they really increase the mana a lot. Also basic rule imo is to reach around 200 energy with items no dex or str if possible rest vita. Since mana potting is allowed in 'legit' duels then having frosts and 1 soj really helps you out. Also instead of lame shield you should try to find stacked boneshield and then socket it with sapphire (which is not called lame for some reason)

Lorg
23-07-2008, 14:17
Just noticed that you do have a deacent sapphire socked shield. Mainly the 15 cr on your amulet is very low. If your char is in nl then maybe you can find some reasonably cheap +1 fcr mana stacked cold 50+ amulet somewhere...

Creon
23-07-2008, 14:51
Sorry for not clarifying. You need a ton of energy to support a high ES/TK build. Even with 800-1000 mana, you'll still feel the burn. I recommend running some numbers through the calculator to find a energy:vita ratio you like. Remember that for every 100 damage dealt to you, with 85% ES and max TK, you take 15 damage to life and 63.75 mana damage. Energy will naturally recharge, life benefits from +rep. Go from there.

If you want advice from someone very good at SvS, try asking one of the better ones you find on your realm, especially for any strategy tips in Sorc v All. I haven't actually built an SvS in years. I've had a preference for BvB and Speeders the past few ladders.