Cheap Uber Killer 1pt SmitePally/Ribcrackerdruid?

[williamchan]

Ribcracker Fury Druid - Uber Killer Guide
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=517606

The 1pt smiter guide to Uber Tristram v 1.0.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=425449

Ok first of all I am a noob, since I quit D2 for like 3+years to play WOW, but just couldn't take the addiction more, so I came back to D2.

So I have very detailedly read these 2 guides and got excited in this whole Uber killing deal, mainly for fun since I was aiming for PVM mostly on this game, I have never made a paly but I have several druids before I quitted and now, so I am a bit more familiar with druid gameplay than paly.

Also, I am posting this thread in the paladins and the druids forums, since I figure lots of people are just probably posting in one forum and I wanted to know which of these 2 builds is cheaper/more effective in killing Ubers since it looks like fun.

If anyone has tried to make these 2 builds it would be awesome if I could have some feedback regarding my doubt.

So far from what I have played I have a Ribcracker, Jalal's, and a Lightsabre, in regarding the equipment needed in those guides.

So there's my question guys, any ideas on which of these 2 builds is better and cheaper for Uber killing?

Thanks in advance.:thumbup:

[ThomasJohnsen]

My friend tried the ribcracker druid with the ubers, and it went' fairly well. Resists will be a heavy issue though - with a 2-handed weapon you will be using alot of inventory space on resists charms. The minions alone will deal alot of elemental damage.
The paladin is somewhat easier IMO (I have tried it myself several times), due to the fact, that he has easy max block, high defense and built in heavy resists in the shield. A decent Sanctuary in a Sacred Targe will net you 100+ resists or a HoZ with a Diamond/Um is ~ 70. This will help you immensely against Mephisto's conviction aura - heck you can even get your own conviction to override his. It is no coincidence, that the vast majority of the uber-runners are paladins. And I haven't even mentioned the great skill Smite, that hits every time - no need to worry about attack rating or tapping back life lost quickly enough.

The druid is a bit more uncommon though - and thus the equipment will be slightly (alot!) cheaper. An upgraded ribcracker with a decent ed will cost you a ~Lem, whereas a Grief + HoZ/Sanctuary ST will cost you a fortune.

As you might have gathered, I favor the paladin :loving:.

[williamchan]

Thanks for the reply, well the 1 pt smiter guide, specified 3 levels of gear that was effective on Uber killing, I was maybe thinking about a poormans/medium type of gear. Though I do think that the safe way to go is using a paly since from what I understood there's a lot of health fluctuation cause of the massive leeching that a WW druid depends on for survival.

[BAMFSpecialOps]

They both use lifetap to survive, dracs/exile/marrows/wand/lastwish, all have the ctc lifetap which if your melee makes you invincible until the curse wears off but with the fast attack of both characters it hardly does.

[williamchan]

They both use lifetap to survive, dracs/exile/marrows/wand/lastwish, all have the ctc lifetap which if your melee makes you invincible until the curse wears off but with the fast attack of both characters it hardly does.

Yup I understand that, but the paladin will take less damage because of the superior defense and easier atained resists, so less crazy HP moving like the wolf I am guessing, at least from all the fury threads I have read, people stating that.

So far, paladin is easier but more expensive is what I am understanding?

[ThomasJohnsen]

So far, paladin is easier but more expensive is what I am understanding?

Right! If this is your first try, and you have noone to help you or BO you, I think the paladin is the best way to go. Then build a druid and try it again.

[BAMFSpecialOps]

Might want to see if you can get a necro and a barb to help you with your first time through uber trist also, barb for the BO and necro for minions/instant life tap.

[williamchan]

Right! If this is your first try, and you have noone to help you or BO you, I think the paladin is the best way to go. Then build a druid and try it again.

Well yea this IS my first time, then I will probably go with a paladin since I don't have any friends that can help me at the moment, though since I AM starting to build them from scratch maybe I can find some by the time I finish my UBER char acter.

[williamchan]

Might want to see if you can get a necro and a barb to help you with your first time through uber trist also, barb for the BO and necro for minions/instant life tap.

If I get their help isn't it going to make the game a lot tougher than just fighting them by myself? Or team work will always be easier? Also, don't necros suck vs boss fights?, unless pure bonemancer.

BTW I thank yall for the help, keep the posts coming :thumbup:

[BAMFSpecialOps]

It will give the monsters extra life, but at the same time you get a lot of extra security. The barb doesn't have to stay in the game, he can leave after he BO's you then rejoin if needed. The necro gives crowd control if he is summoner which takes the heat from the minions off your back, the necro can also cast life tap right at the start so you don't have to wait for it to proc from dracs/exile/etc, and because life tap makes you basically invincible its a cake walk from there.

[ThomasJohnsen]

If I get their help isn't it going to make the game a lot tougher than just fighting them by myself?

No! Even though monsters get tougher with more people in the game, the effect of a well-working team with spells, auras, effects, minions etc. that help one another will make the game significantly easier. A necro for curses/minions, a palain smiter and a barb for BO is a powerfull team.

Also, don't necros suck vs boss fights?, unless pure bonemancer.

A necro fishy can be very powerfull and many has soloed ubers. So that's another no - necros don't suck.

#EDIT: So pwnd it hurts :|

[ploves]

he means if I'm correct, get the barb into your game then let him bo you and he leaves. His Bo will stay on you until the spell "expires".

[BAMFSpecialOps]

The barbs BO will have an effect on your char, till either the timer wears off, or you die.

[williamchan]

No! Even though monsters get tougher with more people in the game, the effect of a well-working team with spells, auras, effects, minions etc. that help one another will make the game significantly easier. A necro for curses/minions, a palain smiter and a barb for BO is a powerfull team.



A necro fishy can be very powerfull and many has soloed ubers. So that's another no - necros don't suck.

#EDIT: So pwnd it hurts :|

Are you joking that necro fishy can solo UBERS? Which ones and what types of builds :crazyeyes: cause I don't believe it hahah, probably cause my summoner/bone necro sucks.

And for the BO part , thats what I thought so too, that the spell stays, but from I understood was to have another character help you out for the Uber killing.

[BAMFSpecialOps]

Check over to the necro forum for a guide that tells you how to make a fishy to run ubers, basically gear to survive on the necro, the merc has a lot of cb gear and then you revive monsters with cb attacks and telestomp the ubers. The barb can stay in the game to help you kill the ubers, the necro should stay in the game with you anyways so if you do decide to go the party route they will be around.

[williamchan]

Check over to the necro forum for a guide that tells you how to make a fishy to run ubers, basically gear to survive on the necro, the merc has a lot of cb gear and then you revive monsters with cb attacks and telestomp the ubers. The barb can stay in the game to help you kill the ubers, the necro should stay in the game with you anyways so if you do decide to go the party route they will be around.

Fast necro Uber Tristram run (video)
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=476867

Here's my setup as per request:

Character: Maleki
Level: 93
Hell resists: Max
Life: 1315 (2192 after BO)
Mana: 741 (984 after BO)
Armor: Dusk Enigma
Helm: PTopaz Shako
Shield: PDiamond Homunculus (lidless on switch)
Weapon: 36% HOTO (6/6/3 crystal CTA on switch)
Ammy: +2 necro/43 mana/13 resist all (rare)
Gloves: Magefist
Boots: +2 SM Marrowwalk
Rings: 2x Soj
Belt: Arachnid Sash
Charms:
7x summon skillers (mostly plain),
40/139 Gheed,
13/20/6 Annihilus
18/19 Torch
4x 7mfsc
3x vsc

Merc: Kasim
Type: Might
Level: 93
Life: 2087 (3819 after BO)
Hell resists: Max
Helm: Guillaume's Face (clean)
Armor: Archon COH
Weapon: Eth Infinity Thresher

Skills (actual skill in parens):

Curses:
1 in each (21)

PnB:
Corpse Explode: 20 (39)

Summon:
Skeleton Mastery: 20 (47)
Raise Skeleton: 20 (45)
Raise Skeletal Mage: 20 (45)
Clay Golem: 1 (26)
Golem Mastery: 1 (26)
Summon Resist: 1 (26)
Revive: 1 (26)

Misc:
Battle orders: 0 (16)
Battle command: 0 (16)
Teleport: 0 (11)

7x skill points unused

Base Energy
Base Dex
Enough Str for Equip
Rest Vita

This guy's gear is freaking insane, I just did the math for the +skillers he has 25 in total if I am not mistaken... he has like top end uber godly retarded gear XD.

[BAMFSpecialOps]

There have been attempts to run the ubers with every character class. The zon/sorc can even run it, of course its not as easy as a pally, and it takes some specific gear but it can be done. You just have to ask yourself do you want the runs to be cake walks? Do you want there to be a little challenge? Or do you want Uber Trist runs to be Uber hard like blizzard intended? You can make it as hard or as easy as you would want it to be. A pally with uber gear takes a few mins to run them, lesser gear takes longer. A druid can run them it's a little harder but imo a lot funner.

[ThomasJohnsen]

The zon/sorc can even run it...

I must admit though, that I was surprised to see a melee sorc tank the ubers alone and slay them pretty quickly. That was more impressive IMO than the summon necro or the Windforce bowa, though they of course were great accomplishments too. I have only tried it the easy way :embarassed:; though with both poor, mediocre and great gear. And without a doubt it was the most fun with the poor gear - I sat at the edge of the chair with my palms sweating, eagerly watching the lifebulb, with my finger ready for fat purples or a change of aura. Later on the exitement fades, and it becomes a routine - same as with the game itself (which is why I now play only hardcore).

[Choman]

I'd like to share my recent experience with the Uber's.

One of my friends built a pimped out lvl 87 Ribcracker Druid(with torch, annihilus and everything) made specifically to run ubers. When he got there, he took out Baal and Diablo with not too much trouble but then he had to face Meph. I dunno the details of it since I joined the game 2 hours after he created the game but apparently, he couldn't handle the hit to resists in uber trist.

He msged me to join and use my all res aura to help him. Unfortunately, I was in the middle of building my pure zeal/smite pally for ubers so I had to quickly convert my already made hammerdin to help him. With a few minor gear changes I was ready. Here's the gear setup I used (lvl 82 hammerdin/1pt smiter):

Guillame's face
'Sanctuary' Zakarum Shield (98 res)
'Lionheart' Mage Plate (yes, lionheart...it's dirt cheap and awesome!)
Laying of hands
Goblin Toe
Ravenfrost
Dwarf Star
Thundergod's Vigor
Wizard Spike
Rare +2 pally ammy with resists

As you can see, the gear setup is very cheap (minus the mal for sanctuary). Anyways, I step into the game and demolish meph.

My friend pretty much had the ultimate Ribcracker Druid setup and he kept getting Ko'd by meph and his minions. My pally, with the overstacked resists, was able to tank him easily with lifetap.

Now mind you, this was not the ideal zeal/smiter setup but I'm just trying to point out that resists is the key to ubers and pally's pwn resists like no other. Not only is uber trist easy with the pally's resists, defense, and skillset, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE EXPENSIVE GEAR.

My suggestions for cheap uber gear for pally: Goblin Toe, Guillame's face, Life Tap Wand(a must), Lionheart(for a fal and lum, you get a huge stat point boost and 30 res all!), Elite Pally Shield with res and 4 pdiamonds, ravenfrost, laying of hands(drac's if you can afford)

Honestly, crushing blow does all the damage so the weapon slot is really up to you, depending on what you need. I found that around 50% crushing blow or above is more than enough to kill ubers quickly. I might sound crazy for suggesting Wiz spike, but the resists are crazy and they're dirt cheap.

[BAMFSpecialOps]

The druid's set up isn't even close to a pally's. No offense but it takes some skill to get through uber trist with a druid unlike the paladin. Both chars can be made cheap or expensive and make it hard or easy depending on how you want it to be. Take out mephi first btw. Choman, I also suggested wizzy to him in his other thread in the druid forum, most people don't look twice at it for any character, but it works really well for a smiter or a caster.

[williamchan]

The druid's set up isn't even close to a pally's. No offense but it takes some skill to get through uber trist with a druid unlike the paladin. Both chars can be made cheap or expensive and make it hard or easy depending on how you want it to be. Take out mephi first btw. Choman, I also suggested wizzy to him in his other thread in the druid forum, most people don't look twice at it for any character, but it works really well for a smiter or a caster.

Yea he sure did :thumbup:. I posted this on the druid forums too, to get some feedback on the druid community but up till now only Bam is the one helping out, which I thank him, since I am a superpoornoob I think I'll end up going for a paly. Though I am very, VERY tempted to go for the ribcracker option.

Btw, what were the stacked resists on your friends druid? The guide stated that in order to be ok for mephisto, you had to have close to max resists AFTER mephistos aura.:nod:

[BAMFSpecialOps]

325 would be plenty of res, -100 for hell mode, -150 for convic*dont remember the aura level of mephi's so this could be lower*, then another 75 to top it off.

[Bjam]

The number to shoot for is 300 (Meph's aura is -125%). Remember that Conviction doesn't affect Poison, so no need to boost it beyond 175. You can get by with less than 300 resists on the other three, especially if you have absorb for a specific element.

[williamchan]

Nice to point out the poison issue, hehe extra spaces for more resists charms of other type. And good to point out its 125% too I don't know why I've always thought of 150%....

[BAMFSpecialOps]

Convic maxes out at -150 res, so when you make a pally that use's convic you make sure not to go over level 25 with +skill gear. Thanks for the catch Bjam.

[williamchan]

Isn't a kicksin almost the same like a smiter vs ubers, as in cheap, though I think the pally beats every class in untwinkage. Fade kinda like conviction, fanatism kinda like burst of speed. I think kick is way better to apply CTC spells like draculs' life tap too =).

[BAMFSpecialOps]

But there is no holyshield for easier max block, pally has higher def, smite is auto hit where kicks you need to focus on AR. Not to mention if you get a grief the dmg adds to smite where it doesn't to kicks. Fade would be like salvation*or the res aura* not conviction. If you land all of your kicks then they can be better to apply CTC spells, but if you miss or your target dies on say the first kick your left kicking air for the rest of the kicks and unable to do anything except get hit.

[Painman]

Familiarity with a class goes a long way. You know Druids very well, although the problem with a Ribcracker (as already pointed out) is automatic lack of a shield to provide you with any type of support mods.

It's close to the same story with any class that attempts Ubers - it comes down to resists, Crushing Blow, Life Tap, and also for most, a very high Attack Rating (not an issue for the Paladin).

I have only ever run the Ubers with Barbarians - been playing them forever, so it was a natural choice. I've done it on the cheap (dual Bul Kathos set Colossus Blades) and the not so cheap (Beast, Death, Chains, etc).

I've run mini-Ubers with a Fishy Necro - his tactics differ somewhat. He incapacitates bosses with a combination of slow, cold and Decrepify, then employs minions to deliver Crushing Blows. It works better than you might imagine.

This season, though, it's going to be a Pally :) I haven't given this character class the respect it deserves. Plus, they tackle the problem really well.

This is not to say you shouldn't still try the Druid if you have your heart set on that goal, but the problem with Ribcracker is how it leaves you defenseless on the Resists front... you have GOT to stack resists vs. Meph, or you are going to die. You need a shield, or weapons that provide resists (those dual BK Colossus Blades were viable due to them having @res as well as %CB).

How about, instead of cracking ribs, ripping flesh instead (Fleshripper)? I don't know Druids well, but that seems like it might be a pretty effective Fury weapon for this challenge.

[williamchan]

Familiarity with a class goes a long way. You know Druids very well, although the problem with a Ribcracker (as already pointed out) is automatic lack of a shield to provide you with any type of support mods.

It's close to the same story with any class that attempts Ubers - it comes down to resists, Crushing Blow, Life Tap, and also for most, a very high Attack Rating (not an issue for the Paladin).

I have only ever run the Ubers with Barbarians - been playing them forever, so it was a natural choice. I've done it on the cheap (dual Bul Kathos set Colossus Blades) and the not so cheap (Beast, Death, Chains, etc).

I've run mini-Ubers with a Fishy Necro - his tactics differ somewhat. He incapacitates bosses with a combination of slow, cold and Decrepify, then employs minions to deliver Crushing Blows. It works better than you might imagine.

This season, though, it's going to be a Pally :) I haven't given this character class the respect it deserves. Plus, they tackle the problem really well.

This is not to say you shouldn't still try the Druid if you have your heart set on that goal, but the problem with Ribcracker is how it leaves you defenseless on the Resists front... you have GOT to stack resists vs. Meph, or you are going to die. You need a shield, or weapons that provide resists (those dual BK Colossus Blades were viable due to them having @res as well as %CB).

How about, instead of cracking ribs, ripping flesh instead (Fleshripper)? I don't know Druids well, but that seems like it might be a pretty effective Fury weapon for this challenge.

No clue if Fleshripper would be effective, the question just came into my head when I read both of the guides, although being more interested in the druid part, the cheap influenced me to think about a paly, though I cant play one since I dont like them much.