View Full Version : The Ureh Theory (Spoilers)
Risingred
15-07-2008, 05:41
I posted this on the blizzard forums, but they really aren't very good. I figured maybe I'd have more luck here.
This is from Kingdom of Shadow:
Ureh is said to be a lost city which, with the help of its local sorcerers, got an entrance to Heaven, leaving all the treasures on Earth.
[source: http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Ureh]
And look at this:
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/world/worldmap.xml
Ureh is on the map.
Final "look at this":
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=879&cat=547&size=big
http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=723&size=big&cat=547 (look at the top of the city)
They both have this darkness surrounding it, almost a cloud of corruption. They both have twin spires with a very large mountain behind them, amidst a mountain range just like Ureh in the book.
So my speculation is that you enter Ureh, and travel through the top to enter the High Heavens in Diablo III. =D
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It came up later in the thread where one poster said that it is impossible as the city was destroyed...but really, it wasn't destroyed, simply Diablo's "version", the tainted form of the city was once the gems were smashed, the barrier was breached and the residents all died off.
So, what do you guys think? I may be just grasping at straws here.
Red Dragon
15-07-2008, 10:59
I've read a lot of rumors about the whole Heaven questing theory, and I'm beginning to believe that D3 might actually be (partly) based in Heaven. Is it just me - or does that look like the same spire that the two guards are watching the "hellish rift" in the cinematic trailer?
Thirty-Thirty
15-07-2008, 13:16
I personally think that the two guards are looking at the Arreat Crater, which means they'd be in old Harrogath or Bastion's Keep. I know Harrogath isn't on the map, since it's presumably been somehow destroyed, but we don't know what timeframe the images in the cinematic are from. It might be from just a few years after D2.
It seems that these books are a treasure trove for speculation, since so much of the lore is fleshed out. I see no reason to doubt that this Ureh might harbour a gateway to the Heavens.
kontankarite
15-07-2008, 21:33
Dude, if there's a gateway into the Heavens, the least of Heaven's worries will be Hell.
Risingred
16-07-2008, 00:48
Dude, if there's a gateway into the Heavens, the least of Heaven's worries will be Hell.
How so? Not a flame, just curious as to what you're thinking.
pantherus
16-07-2008, 01:20
How so? Not a flame, just curious as to what you're thinking.
Crazy heroes from Earth raiding Heaven for items?
Risingred
16-07-2008, 01:24
Ah, well, yes I suppose so. :D
Morannon
16-07-2008, 08:00
An episode into heaven would certainly put a unique flavor to the game. Can't think of a single action game set in heaven.
lionheart
17-07-2008, 06:22
Ureh is the first thing that came to my mind as well as soon as i saw those pics. I hope it is Ureh, and they make something interesting out of it
Farm the Archangels! Let them feel the pain of the Loot Pinata Curse!
pantherus
18-07-2008, 00:41
Farm the Archangels! Let them feel the pain of the Loot Pinata Curse!
Dyslexic Looters of the world - UNTIE!!!
Sorry, had to join the chanting :)
On-topic though, the idea of a gate to heaven being an active part of the game sound too freaking awesome for words :jig:
...the idea of a gate to heaven being an active part of the game sound too freaking awesome for words :jig:
I hope that "active" is the operative word when they put it in-game. The portal to Hell in D2 is great looking, but it's not quite epic. I want something EPIC enough for my text formatting there.
The only reason it wasn't epic is simply because it wasn't really a "INVADE THE CRAP OUT OF EVERYTHING" Portal.
Ureh is on the map of Sanctuary from D2...so unless they've been thinking about it since then....I don't know if this is a good theory.
I suppose they could write it in now and it would be plausible.
i think it could be a pretty cool idea.
playing in heaven could be really nice, and could bring something totally new to this world; never seen a game played in heaven.
SmittySixTen
20-07-2008, 16:38
Just wait, the heroes are going to have to save heaven's *** from hell, and enter the portal to do it.
Ah yes, the Heaven's do need saving. Specifically, their pockets need to be saved from that hell induced sin of avarice.
and the reward of saving heaven, would be the most powerfull weapon of all times: Heavens Brethren v1.1!
AlexanderM
22-07-2008, 00:08
Wow, I'm behind on the times. I looked at the map and was surprised to see "Arreat Crater"! The theory sounds plausible, especially since there have been hints of disrest and disorder in the heavens in previous games.
DemonicCow
23-07-2008, 21:13
Crazy heroes from Earth raiding Heaven for items?
Haha, ****, if they let us do that in D2, I would totally do it :D
Just wait, the heroes are going to have to save heaven's *** from hell, and enter the portal to do it.
Bang on target pal!
Tyrael is corrupted and thrown down to sanctuary where he either forms an alliance with the prime evils or becomes the big honcho himself. Then he starts waging his war of revenge on heaven.
Tyrael and his unholy followers invade and defile the high heavens and we cant have that so we send our barbarians and what not to clean out the fluffy clouds in an epic battle:cloud9:
Or you know Tyrael comes down to inlist help in saving Heaven.
mouseman
27-07-2008, 10:13
And look at this:
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/world/worldmap.xml
Ureh is on the map.
Look at the cover of the Diablo novel: http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n6/n32659.jpg
From the book we learn that the city in the cover is Ureh. They clearly look alike and Ureh can be found in the world map, as you pointed out. As they have done at least two pieces of concept art and released them at this point, it could indicate that Ureh will be a playable town in Diablo 3.
ebolasupermonky
10-09-2008, 23:58
so if the city is supposed to be the gateway to heaven or whatever, why is the top of the stairs covered in misty evil black stuff?
SoulSpectrum
11-09-2008, 17:08
so if the city is supposed to be the gateway to heaven or whatever, why is the top of the stairs covered in misty evil black stuff?
hmmmm good point..... read the books and it'll describe many of the demons to the Burning Hells as a veil of black mist...... that'd be great...... a gateway to Heaven means something is trying to get into Heaven.... or out..... could be the forces of evil trying to finish this final game...... OH that'd be exciting if the High Heavens were destroyed in this game!!!!!!! Seriously people, read the Sin Wars! Santcuary has the ability to destroy everything with one person, but we're years upon years away from anything like that! But that'd set up the darkest mood ever in Sanctuary.
MakeLoveNotDupe
11-09-2008, 23:12
Did you know?
The new Diablo is the Archangel Tyrael...
Blood_And_Iron
12-09-2008, 21:39
Tyrael is not the new Diablo. Stop passing that around as fact. I don't believe it and you can't prove it.
Ureh is not a gateway into Heaven. The mortals failed.
Though it is a place of high interest. They failed because they became corrupted by Diablo. The spell almost opened a gateway to Hell. If Hell was to invade Sanctuary, Ureh would be the place to start with.
Shattering the Worldstone weakened the protection of Sanctuary, so it may have allowed Diablo entry into this world through Ureh's banished keep.
Risingred
12-09-2008, 21:53
I think you're all out of your gords. Those pictures linked by OP are obviously Arreat Summit, or the destroyed Harrogath. The book cover picture is so generic you can interpret that however you want. The top of that hill is supposed to be floating in air.
Pretty funny. I think it was the Leipzig show where they released CDs with screens and art on them. There was a high-res version of the pic in the OP and it was named "Ureh".
And no, Tyrael is not the new Diablo. Stop passing that around as fact. I don't believe it and you can't prove it.
Can you prove he isn't?
Also, Ureh is a city whose keep is in the middle. It's not built into the mountainside. It's build on top of a hill. The keep is also not in the mortal realm. Stop drooling at the slightest similarity.
And the city of Ureh is not a gateway into Heaven. Try reading the books instead of making it up!
I did read the book. Ureh is a gateway into Heaven, like it says in the book. I don't know what else to tell you.
Self-appointed reality-check police.
Ironyomnom.
Can you prove he isn't?
You don't prove negative facts ergo you have to prove that he is ;)
But to the point.
From almost begining there where speculations and vioces that part of the Diablo 3 might take place in High Heavens. I always thought that it's not as far fetched as it sound.
In D2 we did go down to the Burning Hells. Granted - not very far but still... :)
It would be rude not to pay Heavens a courtesy visit as well, wouldn't it? ;)
And saving the High Heavens from demon army? Why??
They never helped us. Save one - Tyrael which earned him exile.
I say let a hordes of loot-hungry adventurers teach those selfrighteous @%&holes a fear of God (if they have any ;) ).
Pardon my french :)
This one tidbit of information/speculation makes me believe even more in possibility of visiting Heaven in D3.
korialstraz
13-09-2008, 08:53
I did read the book. Ureh is a gateway into Heaven, like it says in the book. I don't know what else to tell you.
Ironyomnom.
I read the book as well, and it's not a gateway into Heaven. The people tried to "move" the city into the Heavens with a very powerfull spell, however one of the persons had been tainted by Diablo, and he modified the spell to try and send it to Hell (or at least open a gate to Hell). Only 2 people survived that spell, the evil dude, and the good guy trying to correct the spell. In the end he failed and the city was stuck between the mortal realm, Heavens and Hell. Only once every few thousand years I think it was will you be able to enter the city and walk around with the peopl in that plane which do not age, however once that time is over it returns to normal and the people will "die" though still exist in that other dimension.
Also wasn't Diablo summoned in that book, but defeated by Dummon and Zayl?
Brother Laz
13-09-2008, 13:48
I did read the book. Ureh is a gateway into Heaven
Uh... no.
Korialstraz is right, the only thing to add is that it is all over now and the city is back to being normal. (Which would make it useless as an addition to D3, but they'll find something)
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And saving the High Heavens from demon army? Why??
Good question. The D1/D2 documentation doesn't tell you this, but read The Sin War for Heaven's real opinion about humanity. Long story short: angels wanted to destroy humanity. Twice.
Imperius, Malthael. Remember those two.
Risingred
13-09-2008, 15:50
You don't prove negative facts ergo you have to prove that he is ;)
My point was that it's impossible to prove right now either way, so it's pretty damn foolhardy to say "NO THAT ISN'T WHAT HAPPENS" when we have no way of knowing what does or does not happen.
I specifically remember in the beginning of the book, some character or another saying it was a gateway to heaven whether it was some spell or not. I find it irrelevant as Blizzard is pretty profoundly into retcon so it doesn't matter either way.
If Ureh itself is the source of "magical power" or some spell cast upon it, it was still portrayed as a gateway to Heaven.
korialstraz
13-09-2008, 17:20
@Risingred: Did you read my post? I've pretty much explained the deal with Ureh, and it's relation to Heaven and all that. Brother Laz finished what I didn't remember. As for Tyreal being the new Diablo, who knows? I seriously hope he isn't though :azn:
MrProphet
13-09-2008, 20:00
If you've read the book the city is actually fully corrupt. The entire city is quite literally possessed by evil.
Maybe cleansing Ureh could be some mission/act of some sort?
Vertigo X
13-09-2008, 21:39
Imperius, Malthael. Remember those two.
Why Malthael, though? I thought he was impartial in the decision. :scratchchin:
Risingred
13-09-2008, 21:42
@Risingred: Did you read my post?
No, I only quoted a portion without reading it somehow. :p
I stand by what I said, which is still valid, no matter what did or did not happen. I stated a bland fact that it is referred to as "the gateway to heaven" in the text, no matter what type of gateway it is or the current status of it (which, obviously, we don't know about if it is going to be in the game).
The fact that they made concept art about it means that they at least have an idea for it, which means that obviously, again, the city is not dead or done for and there's still something there of interest. Making an observation on that leads to the logical conclusion that it will have something to do with Heaven or Diablo in a direct manner.
korialstraz
14-09-2008, 00:16
No, I only quoted a portion without reading it somehow. :p
I stand by what I said, which is still valid, no matter what did or did not happen. I stated a bland fact that it is referred to as "the gateway to heaven" in the text, no matter what type of gateway it is or the current status of it (which, obviously, we don't know about if it is going to be in the game).
The fact that they made concept art about it means that they at least have an idea for it, which means that obviously, again, the city is not dead or done for and there's still something there of interest. Making an observation on that leads to the logical conclusion that it will have something to do with Heaven or Diablo in a direct manner.
Actually you didn't quote me until just now :whistling:
Anyway my point wasn't in what state the city is in now or what will happen with it in the game. You said that Ureh is a gateway to Heaven, which it isn't. I just wanted to correct that, and add what happened to it :azn:
Risingred
14-09-2008, 01:10
Actually you didn't quote me until just now :whistling:
Anyway my point wasn't in what state the city is in now or what will happen with it in the game. You said that Ureh is a gateway to Heaven, which it isn't. I just wanted to correct that, and add what happened to it :azn:
I stand by what I said, which is still valid, no matter what did or did not happen. I stated a bland fact that it is referred to as "the gateway to heaven" in the text, no matter what type of gateway it is or the current status of it.
I don't know how else to say that to you. So I'm not going to anymore. This is officially the stupidest argument I've participated in. ;p
korialstraz
14-09-2008, 10:04
My point is still that you at first said it is a gateway to Heaven, not that it was refered to. It seems you still don't get this, so I don't know what else to say too you either...
I think we'll definitely be visiting Heaven at some point.
If you look at the DIII logo, the top-half is very clearly symbolic of Heaven, and the bottom-half of Hell. Secondly, "And the Heavens Shall Tremble" is slapped right on the front of the official website. I mean, books and stuff aside, we're talking about a game here, one where the story can very easily be ignored by the player if he/she so chooses.
That pretty much tells me that Heaven will not only just be part of the story, but part of the actual, meaty gameplay.
Tatar Khan
21-09-2008, 13:56
But Ureh was obliterated with its corrupted population after Key to Light was destroyed so except ruins there would be nothing left.
SoulSpectrum
10-10-2008, 20:47
I actually don't think it was untterly destroyed... in the when dumon is falling he sees his lovydub bird saving and fading away into the whatever realme they were at. Limbo i guess... I think that Ureh was just returned into its' Limbo after having the crystal that kept it in the mortal realm destroyed.... just my 2 cents
Oh, and I don't think we know for a fact if it is Heaven or Hell gateway. The angel that appeared before Juris(sp?) was Diablo or Belial (lord of lies)..... there's a chance that it could be a gateway to heaven if done possibly right.... why wouldn't Heaven recruit the purest of pure in sanctuary? The only reason Sanctuary wasn't destroyed is because they have the potential of stopping the eternal war.... so, who knows? well just have to wait for a while.... everyone live in harmony and peace..... smoke
SoulSpectrum
10-10-2008, 20:49
I actually don't think it was untterly destroyed... in the when dumon is falling he sees his lovydub bird saving and fading away into the whatever realme they were at. Limbo i guess... I think that Ureh was just returned into its' Limbo after having the crystal that kept it in the mortal realm destroyed.... just my 2 cents
Oh, and I don't think we know for a fact if it is Heaven or Hell gateway. The angel that appeared before Juris(sp?) was Diablo or Belial (lord of lies)..... there's a chance that it could be a gateway to heaven if done possibly right.... why wouldn't Heaven recruit the purest of pure in sanctuary? The only reason Sanctuary wasn't destroyed is because they have the potential of stopping the eternal war.... so, who knows? well just have to wait for a while.... everyone live in harmony and peace..... smoke
I noticed earlier that people mentioned already playing in Hell in D2. I was under the impression that the River of Flame and the Chaos Sanctuary were still within the mortal realm. Is this incorrect?
I noticed earlier that people mentioned already playing in Hell in D2. I was under the impression that the River of Flame and the Chaos Sanctuary were still within the mortal realm. Is this incorrect?
I agree I don't remember anyone saying it was in hell. I thought it was just a part of the mortal realm that hell had took over. In chaos I always assumed that when you hit all the seals you summoned diablo from hell but you weren't actually in hell. Also when you think about the name chaos sanctuary it sounds like its a type of safe place or refuge in the mortal realm for the monsters kinda like having a army base in another county and your troops staying there.
Tatar Khan
11-10-2008, 16:15
I am also not too sure about the whole part of going to Burning Hells because as far as I remember the Burning Hells are still held by the two lesser evils that expelled the Prime evils.
What I am interested is how the effect of destruction of the World Stone would have on the powers of nepharim.
Another issue could be about Ureh is the barbarian who died there and away from Mount Arreat grounds and as it is said on the Diablo 3 website they wil not find rest if their bodies are away from the Mount Arreat.
Finally in the end of the Sin War trilogy it is pointed out that not all angels were eager to let humanity be, maybe the High Heavens decided to exterminate humanity now that the Worldstone is gone and no chance of them really being anything to stand up to the demons in mass.
Maybe we will get to see the Great Dragon and Rathma in this game.
Finally Lilith can still return.
SoulSpectrum
11-10-2008, 18:16
Hopefullly that'll all come to pass in D3. I believe though the world stone was destroyed, maybe some didn't realize it as fast. Remember that centuries in Sanctuary is only seconds in the high Heavens/Burning Hells.... our existanceis like a handful of sand compared to a beach of oh, you know eternity!.... and that's part of D3, the mystery of why the burning hells haven't come forth yet. I think the whole Tyrael/Wedon'tknowwhatitis that comes from the High Heavens is being thrown done here. I'm guessing that Tyrael has finally been exiled out of the Heavens and that Imperius is more than eager to tear our world apart. Tyraels vote doesn't matter, who knows? Maybe the council voted to destroy Sanctuary because of the loss of the world stone. Our huge "fence" that kept the naughty dogs out of the yard is now blown over.... so to them, we're just doomed because in their eyes, we're fending of an army of wolves in our yard with nothing but paper clips... our powers haven't evolved into.... lawnmowers yet..... So this won't answer the questions about the Belial, the lesser evils, the angrius council, ect.... but it may show some light on trang-oul and Ranthma.... now that we're alone.... it is the most imporatant that the guardians of balance step forth to keep doing their job..... I just have afeeling that we're going to see a scene with an army, if not atleast a few, of necromancers kicking some arse and taking some names...
Edit: Oh, and this is all personal joy of seeing what is now classic Diablo characters (for me atleast)..... Humbart and Zayl! those two will make the game win any argument! Pay to play.... if they just repeat D2..... if they reveal the next class is the Barbarian 2 or the Amazon with balls..... it all won't matter as long as we see Humbart and Zayl....
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