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Okay i manage to get some resistance gear on but at the expense of my MF gear. so with all the ressitance gear stuff on i can fairly kill Hell Meph and stay alive more. but my MF is only at 103.
if i wear my full MF gear i can like 210MF or smth. so is 103MF running hell meph effective or shld i max out my 200MF and go back to NM meph?
melianor
14-07-2008, 22:37
The amount of MF you add will improve your droprate in a small minimal way. It is more important to see how many runs you can do in a given amount of time. If you see yourself killing with good speed and still surviving, then you can easily add more MF into your gear.
200-300 MF is something a usual MF gear setup can have and still be fast and effective at killing monsters and bosses. More is always possible.
Also think about the possiblity to have some MF Gear on your weapon switch. This is an easy way to add MF, since the amount of MF is taking into calculation, that your character has at the last killing blow. So just witch shortly before death of Mephisto and give him the rest then.
okay. got it. i guess i have to stick with 103 because with 203 i have negative resistance and ic ant' even stay alive. so shld i cont 103 MF fight hell MEPH or 203 MF NM meph? i can do maybe in the my killing speed is about 2NM meph : 1 Hell Meph
I have about 360 mf, and the most useless items in the world. I have just started playing again, i find all you need for a sorc (unsure what class you are?) is alot of mana pots and something with 50% faster cast and I can easily get to meph with my -70 res all.
if you are not using a sorc, consider making one for the sole purpose of mfing.
I have about 360 mf, and the most useless items in the world. I have just started playing again, i find all you need for a sorc (unsure what class you are?) is alot of mana pots and something with 50% faster cast and I can easily get to meph with my -70 res all.
if you are not using a sorc, consider making one for the sole purpose of mfing.
i tried that out b4. i die on the way to meph. even if i do get to meph. 1 lighing or cold ball from him and its gg
LonghornRob
15-07-2008, 00:12
I have about 360 mf, and the most useless items in the world. I have just started playing again, i find all you need for a sorc (unsure what class you are?) is alot of mana pots and something with 50% faster cast and I can easily get to meph with my -70 res all.
if you are not using a sorc, consider making one for the sole purpose of mfing.
Really? I have -55 fire res, 60 fcr and i get annhilated by those lords every once in a while.
melianor
15-07-2008, 00:40
I think with a bit of training its quit possible. Still you will die sometimes.
I mf with negative resistances, the key for me is high FCR and very high killing speed.
MF % means nothing to me, although I have about 100 anyway, with 200 on switch. But I'd rather kill Meph in 3 seconds than kill meph in 15 seconds with double the MF. The more times I kill him, the more chance he has to drop ELITE items. Sure, more Mf however he'd drop more uniques. I'm a bit sick of seeing Unique Tridents though ;)
KT
-=Slaye]2=-
15-07-2008, 03:03
And 50 fcr will get you nowhere fast. You'll have great trouble getting past the maulers and dolls. You really need a minimum of 63 to teleport relatively safe. Ideal would be 105.
With 50 fcr and -70 res all I'd really love to see you do 30ish runs in a row without dying once. Combine that with your mf gear that most likely will have no fhr at all, well I don't think you can pull that of.
Fallen_62
15-07-2008, 17:44
2=-;6617336']And 50 fcr will get you nowhere fast. You'll have great trouble getting past the maulers and dolls. You really need a minimum of 63 to teleport relatively safe. Ideal would be 105.
With 50 fcr and -70 res all I'd really love to see you do 30ish runs in a row without dying once. Combine that with your mf gear that most likely will have no fhr at all, well I don't think you can pull that of.
I pull it off quite nicely, actually... I did it in Nm and Hell with no problems. IIRC, I don't have 63% FCR (less, obviously) and I know I have negative resists. I had to hit a full rejuv once because I tele'ed into a pack of unique Udar/Mauler things, but I was able to get out without dieing.
To the OP: are you doing the moat trick...? If you are, you shouldn't have to worry about Mephy shooting anything at you and losing life... At which point you can add your 100% mf for a little better chance at a drop.
Animation
15-07-2008, 19:24
I ran Hell Meph with only 130% for a while, and it was still lucrative.
103 would probably be fine.
Lewis
EricTheRed
16-07-2008, 02:36
Great question, I was about to ask this myself. I'm gonna go w/ skulders, gull and the bonus from Tal Rasha gear and see where that takes me.
I accidentally did the quest for Meph too which I wasn't planning too for the last 70+ levels. Am I still gonna get decent drops?
Fallen_62
16-07-2008, 02:49
You will get decent drops, yes, but you won't have the quest drops. You may want to do 10 runs and take a break for half an our to an hour then do 10 more, etc. After a while the game throttles back the drops and quality of them, IIRC.
After a while the game throttles back the drops and quality of them, IIRC.
Where does that idea come from?
I've had great drops on my first run of a day, and equally great drops on my 100th run of a day.
Fallen_62
16-07-2008, 04:56
I always have a drop off after about 10 runs or so...
melianor
16-07-2008, 11:11
I always have a drop off after about 10 runs or so...
I would really like to see hard facts about this, or i would dismiss this as a more subjective feeling. And yes we all do get this about MF-Runs, me included.
You would have to do some serious chance calculation with run comparisons where you only do 10runs then wait or where you do 100 runs and wait and so forth. This also over a considerable amount of time.
Possibly also inquire in the statistics forum.
Fallen_62
16-07-2008, 15:16
I would really like to see hard facts about this, or i would dismiss this as a more subjective feeling. And yes we all do get this about MF-Runs, me included.
You would have to do some serious chance calculation with run comparisons where you only do 10runs then wait or where you do 100 runs and wait and so forth. This also over a considerable amount of time.
Possibly also inquire in the statistics forum.
Maybe it's just me then.. I thought I remembered hearing them talk about scaling back drops after a while after a few patches ago, because of all the running O.o Apparently I'm just losing my mind. Hasn't really happened with the Meph bug, but regular runs on NM went good, then tapered off to the point where I was getting an item or 2, the rest junk every time... *shrug* Maybe I was just unlucky...?
Amount of MF needed for Hell Meph runs to be effective: 0.
Act bosses have a much higher chance to drop unique/set items right off the bat - any MF helps, but I'd rather do the runs quickly with none equipped than do the runs slowly.
I've gotten my ladder sorc to the point of having 105% FCR and maxed resists with a fair amount of + damage and skill, her MF% is about 150... I won't raise that number until it can be done w/o sacrificing anything else.
She MFs the whole game, but Durance 3 is probably the most dangerous place she visits - I also clear it out rather than just popping Meph and leaving. That's how she got her Ormus' Robe - Blood Lord boss :)
Maybe it's just me then.. I thought I remembered hearing them talk about scaling back drops after a while after a few patches ago, because of all the running O.o Apparently I'm just losing my mind. Hasn't really happened with the Meph bug, but regular runs on NM went good, then tapered off to the point where I was getting an item or 2, the rest junk every time... *shrug* Maybe I was just unlucky...?
Just you and you having a human brain, which is inherently unreliable when it comes to statistics.
SucksAtDiablo
17-07-2008, 23:22
Since you're playing a sorc just grab a tals set. You'll end up having maxed light and cold res's, max poison if you use treks instead of travs. You can easily get 300 mf, even 360 if you use nagels.
I use full tals on my 89 light sorc to run meph, kill him in 2 or 3 shots. If you can only get 100 mf but can have decent kill speed, stick with it. Dont try and push more mf to sacrifice kill speed.
Since you're playing a sorc just grab a tals set. You'll end up having maxed light and cold res's, max poison if you use treks instead of travs. You can easily get 300 mf, even 360 if you use nagels.
I use full tals on my 89 light sorc to run meph, kill him in 2 or 3 shots. If you can only get 100 mf but can have decent kill speed, stick with it. Dont try and push more mf to sacrifice kill speed.
when i get tals set then say. now i only tals helm, tals belt. ammy? armour? and wpn? i itnk 20 years more.
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