7-Deadly Sins Mini-bosses?

[fooffstarr]

Just a theory, but I personally think it is a fair call:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/fooffstarr/diablo-iii-20080628035908138.jpg

This guy, who the Barbarian fights in the demo reel is called Thousand Pounder (Gluttony Incarnate).

Gluttony is one of the 7 deadly sins. The newly-resurrected Diablo would need some new henchmen considering most of the lesser evils and the rest of the prime evils etc. were killed in the last game.

Why not create physical manifestations of the 7 deadly sins?

Would make for a really interesting concept. You wouldn't know which one you would be facing next, and when. Could be end-of-act bosses or quest targets or simply unique heroes that guard a particular area (such as the brute boss next to the magic tree in D2 etc).

Thoughts?

[Flux]

It's a theory. One problem is that the presentations discussed this, and as you might guess from the quick and easy battle in the movie, this is not a big boss monster. It's just a regular boss, equivalent to a superunique, I guess. it's in the demo as an example of the cool scripted events that you can find in D3.

[Swiffer]

Ok, 7 deadly sins:

Lust: Well, i guess you could throw up a huge Succubus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus) that tries to have sex with you until you die.

Greed: Every time the mob hits you, you lose 100 gold. Great for the mage and archer, not so good for the barb :D

Gluttony: Pretty much covered

Sloth: Dude on a couch? ;) Or just some very slow moving creature

Wrath: Could do just about anything i guess. Wrath is anger, everything in hell is angry.

Envy: Uhhh...yeah, i got no clue what they would do for this.

Pride: Well...i guess Fabio could make an appearence and talk about how beautiful he is =x


Yeah, its a nice theory, but i just cannot see some of them working unless Blizzard are confident players won't go crazy if they throw in WoW type fights that have pauses while the mob does a bit of talking.

[Pitboss_2000]

It's a cool concept, but I can't really see it working since four of the seven sins (sloth, greed, pride and envy) would make for a terrible boss. "Meh, I'd kill you, but I'm just too lazy today".

[jamesisbest]

I could see Blizzard possibly toying with the idea as a new feature though I don't think it will be one. It would be a rather fun idea. My view of the possibilities for the 7 sins:
Gluttony: covered
Lust: Succubus is most likely candidate
Greed: A superunique spawned from a chest trap
Sloth: Zombie or some lethargic monster
Wrath: A demon of some sort possibly similar to the ones in the cinematic trailer
Envy: A doppleganger/shapeshifter class of some sort or at the very least a summoner
Pride: Strong humanoid reminds me a the summoner so maybe a sorcerer/sorceress class

As swiffer said though it would be hard to implement with random scripted events/monsters. I also don't think they would put it in the main storyline because it would stray too far away from the focus of the story. Would be cool though if they had 7 subclasses of enemies and had a specific one for each "sin" but I wouldn't bank on it.

[detestrian]

Envy: "I must have your shoes! They are simply to DIE for!"

[Pitboss_2000]

Hhhmmm, I must say your suggestions are pretty good! (although I'm still not very impressed by the idea of a 'lethargic monster';)) Perhaps these bosses could go into a separate dungeon, or a castle that you can optionally visit for a subquest.

[Sein Schatten]

It's a theory. One problem is that the presentations discussed this, and as you might guess from the quick and easy battle in the movie, this is not a big boss monster. It's just a regular boss, equivalent to a superunique, I guess. it's in the demo as an example of the cool scripted events that you can find in D3.

How do you know he isn't a boss? I think all player characters you have seen where outside the gamerules so they don't die and can kill faster and so on.

[Erwwwd]

Did you know Melancholy used to be a deadly sin as well?

The catholic church took one away to make it 7 as that was a holy number.

So what'd be a cool melancholy monster?

[Niyougegema]

Envy... zomg gimmie ur occy ring plz!!!!11! *mass spam until you must S+E to escape*

Btw, that is one badass screenshot. Can all the naysayers take a look at that and say the game is going in the wrong artistic direction.

[okiimatsu]

Can all the naysayers take a look at that and say the game is going in the wrong artistic direction.

Ya, looks like some generic console Ghostbusters type game.

[SmittySixTen]

Greed: Every time the mob hits you, you lose 100 gold. Great for the mage and archer, not so good for the barb :D

Zombie Wirt for the win on this one.

[Pitboss_2000]

So what'd be a cool melancholy monster?

The Goth Lord!

[lukefojut]

Actually, sloth would be a really easy boss to implement. Just give the gameplay a slight tweak so that it can be pretty much any monster with a strong physical attack that you're forced to attack.

Throw in some sort of poison/magical damage area effect so that the longer it takes you to kill him/her, the more likely you are to die from the area effect.

So, you have the option to attack a strong monster at close range and risk getting slaughtered, or die like a lazy coward!

Ok, maybe a little bit 'Metal Gear Solid', but I'd like to see a few conventions in DIII lifted from other games (as opposed to a pure hack 'em up)

[WzWz]

Sloth made me immediately think of Griswold. Should be something slow with a lot of health that hurts when he hits.

[stillman]

I have a theory of my own. Some of the zombies, the mentioned boss, and the bloated things that burst into eels are all obese. I believe the game is trying to appeal to the obese players, thus supporting the obesity epidemic.

Unfortuantely, many companies are doing this. After all, the obese are perfect consumers; they buy more and consume more. There is a general attempt by many companies to normalize and even glamorize obesity to help sell more product. They want us to think that obesity is normal and perfectly OK, even though heart disease is the number one killer in America. Maybe Blizzard wants us to think thier huge monster designs are "cool" or "powerful". Often in the media we see obese characters performing great athletic feats in an attempt to further show that being overweight is healthy and even empowering. The large monsters in the game so far seem to be powerful. You could argue that since they are the monsters, Blizzard is "fighting" obesity; however, it would not surprise me if dangerously obese NPC's and even a hero class show up in the game.

[Cast_Raider]

no one actually enjoys looking at fat slobs though

if some of the creatures are fat, it is because it's a horror game meant to horrify you

[stillman]

Some people do enjoy looking at overweight characters though, particularly, overweight palyers. Overweight players may feel left out if they are staring at a screen all day showing body builders and beautiful model women. I agree with you in that we are meant to be horrified, but I think there is more to it in the bigger scheme of things (i.e. marketing). For example, are we really "horrified" by the big-bellied zombies which are just part of the normal monsters? I believe those monsters are there to help normalize obesity. It helps sell games, just like plus-size actors appearing in Dairy Queen comercials helps sell Dairy Queen products. It's just a theory of mine, anyway. I could be wrong.

[SmittySixTen]

I have a theory of my own. Some of the zombies, the mentioned boss, and the bloated things that burst into eels are all obese. I believe the game is trying to appeal to the obese players, thus supporting the obesity epidemic.

Unfortuantely, many companies are doing this. After all, the obese are perfect consumers; they buy more and consume more. There is a general attempt by many companies to normalize and even glamorize obesity to help sell more product. They want us to think that obesity is normal and perfectly OK, even though heart disease is the number one killer in America. Maybe Blizzard wants us to think thier huge monster designs are "cool" or "powerful". Often in the media we see obese characters performing great athletic feats in an attempt to further show that being overweight is healthy and even empowering. The large monsters in the game so far seem to be powerful. You could argue that since they are the monsters, Blizzard is "fighting" obesity; however, it would not surprise me if dangerously obese NPC's and even a hero class show up in the game.

Um... what? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but that seems like an awful lot to write if you are. For now I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and just going to assume you're joking.

[stillman]

No, I wasn't joking. Why is my idea so hard to believe? It's a new trend these days in advertising. More than half of the American population is overweight or obese. It makes good sense to target this group for advertising.

Edit: I just wanted to add that, as I noted above, this is just a theory, I could be wrong, but it is relavant: people are curious as to what all these heavy monsters are doing in a small, 20 minute segment of the game. I believe heart disease is a serious issue. Computer use and advertising contribute to this epidemic.

[JohnnyDeath]

I really think you're over-thinking this, stillman. Here's another idea though:

Dead bodies decompose. As a result of the bacterial processes that make decomposition work, gases are produced. Thus, fat bloated zombies.

[Flux]

How do you know he isn't a boss? I think all player characters you have seen where outside the gamerules so they don't die and can kill faster and so on.

Because they talk about thousand pounder in some of the panels and specifically say he's just a regular monster there to demonstrate the scripted event process. The siegebreaker at the end of the gameplay, now that's a boss monster. But not even an act boss, just a big one. Imagine what the big bosses will be like?

We should have the transcripts up on Monday in the wiki, to point to for actual quotes.

[Sein Schatten]

Because they talk about thousand pounder in some of the panels and specifically say he's just a regular monster there to demonstrate the scripted event process. The siegebreaker at the end of the gameplay, now that's a boss monster. But not even an act boss, just a big one. Imagine what the big bosses will be like?

We should have the transcripts up on Monday in the wiki, to point to for actual quotes.

Okay, sorry. I didn't understand and followed everything what he said. I am not that fluent in spoken english. Heck, I tried to watch the WWI WoW Q&A and understood nearly nothing. :D

That sounds aweasome. If a normal mob encounter is like that... I can't wait to see real bosses. :D

[etc]

Greed can be represented by the demonised Gheed :badteeth:
Same applies to other NPCs which used to be at "good" side.

[Sincubus]

Gluttony: covered
Lust: a Succubus of course, there would be no better candidate.
Greed: A spectre that died because of its greed, you'll fight him in a gold treasure room.
Sloth: A sloth monster? Much like megatherium meets demon?
Wrath: A revenant that looks somewhat like a Oblivion Knight.
Envy: A doppelganger that wants to be you and is jealous on your appearance.
Pride: A demontaur (minotaur demon) that is lost in pride, minotaurs are very proud creatures.

[Leugi]

Ehmn... so basically " I'm obese oh too bad... wait! that horrible zombie monster in Diablo III is obese too, I'm normal YAY!" is your logic? I disagree completely.

Oh noes, my D3 is becoming Fullmetal Alchemist!!!.

Alright, it would actually be interesting if these monsters were in some point part of the story, mainly with Greed and Sloth.

[NKlint]

Oh noes, my D3 is becoming Fullmetal Alchemist!!!.

One could use the same argument to say that Fullmetal Alchemist got it from the Roman Catholic Church... Oh wait, they did.

So by extension, if this were part of the story, Diablo III is becoming the King James Translation of the Bible?

*edit* I actually would rather see War, Pestilence, Famine and Death; The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse as Act Bosses or something.

[Leugi]

I actually would rather see War, Pestilence, Famine and Death; The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse as Act Bosses or something.

Now that's a good idea, they could be like messengers of the future chaos to come, when the heavens shall tremble.