View Full Version : This time around I don't think the Diablo we get will be the one we want.
StreetShark
02-07-2008, 03:07
It seems like many quotes in these developer interviews are showing the true creative focus behind the game, catering to a large amount of people and making Diablo it much more story driven which will make the game smaller in scale.
The most surprising quote I read today was this by Lead World Designer Boyarsky, "People are ready for us to take Diablo III to new places rather than make Diablo all over again."
Since when do we want something different than the Diablo we love? What is this guy talking about. It scares me that the lead world designer for the game never even played Diablo growing up. Why in the F would you have people working on the Diablo game who never played it, and some that admitted they didn't originally like the game, I mean wth. I want the guy who spent his childhood playing Diablo 8 hours a day working on Diablo 3 because he's now a programmer but also a gamer and artist.
Witchdoctor type characters more than half the playerbase adamantly doesn't want? No Thanks
Not being able to trade anymore because we can only pickup item types of our character class? No Thanks
Artwork in the style more suitable to warcraft than Diablo? No Thanks
Head Designer Jay Wilson said this when asked a question about the game being similiar to WoW
"Kotaku: In the demo you showed during the Opening Ceremony, you gave us a glimpse at the Witch Doctor class which seems to use several spells similar to those found in World of Warcraft. Do you worry that some fans will think you’re just copying aspects of WoW?
Jay Wilson: No. Do I think people will say that? Yes, I think they will. One of the things I like to remind people is that it’s okay to steal from ourselves. A good idea is a good idea and a good skill is a good skill and so when we look across all our games we borrow from each other all of the time."
So they are copying many elements from WoW into Diablo3, Jay just admitted it. Jay then goes on to say if they alienate a portion of the playerbase due to it being similiar to WoW, they will make it up in the people who will see "warrior" and compare it to WoW and want to play Diablo. He's basically giving the middle finger to oldschool diablo players if they can get the WoW crowd
Alot of people are saying this game has at least one and a half years, but if you read these interviews, you'd see that they are done with the story. It's done, over. They've got their characters set in stone, and everything written out. I wouldn't be surprised if the game hits beta by next February if not Christmas.
raveharu
02-07-2008, 03:25
Hmmmmmm.Ok. Bye.
When D2 came out, not everyone was happy. What's going to change?
etslayer
02-07-2008, 03:41
"Witchdoctor type characters more than half the playerbase adamantly doesn't want? No Thanks"
How do you know that half the playerbase does not want the witch doctor? If you are basing that assumption on what people on this forum say, you should realize that only a tiny percent of the diablo fanbase goes on forums. And even in this forum not everyone is against the witch doctor. Please don't make such rash statements with absolutely no evidence to back it up.
"Not being able to trade anymore because we can only pickup item types of our character class? No Thanks"
Nobody ever said you can only pick up item types that belong to your type of character class. All we know about the dropping system is that what you see on your screen belongs to you. They never said barbs can only find barb items. And even if that were true (which it's almost definitly not), why would that mean you wouldn't be able to trade? I really don't understand why you would say that.
I think you should relax and not worry so much. I too am an old-school junky. I want all the elements that made the previous diablo games unique to stay in the game. And frankley, aside from a few asthetic issues, I think it's sounding pretty good. The developers have stressed fast paced gameplay, they have clearly stated that storyline will not slow the pace because they are letting the visuals tell the story.
As far as "coppying many elements from WoW"... how can you expect them not to take things from their own game which is much more technically advanced than D2? And just because they are using WoW concepts doesn't mean it will feel like WoW. WoW was 3D. Diablo3 is 3D. Will it feel like WoW just because its 3D? Also, the World in WoW was gigantic, but the Blizzard has stated that D3 will be about the same size as D2. So right there we know it's not gonna be a WoW clone.
So far, I think the most important elements that make diablo fun have been brought back. Tons of loot, fast paced gameplay, tons of monsters on-screen. It will be good.
the quote i have seen in more than one place: "we want to make a great ARPG." (paraphrased)
if that is their whole mission and they can really stick to it, then D3 will definitely be good.
Come on, the game isnt even finished yet and youre allready complaining about it:scratchchin:
If you dont like the final product then dont play, its as simple as that and if you like d2 more with hacks/dupes/cheats etc then be my guest and keep playing that, thank you!!
ExtraStrongFireEnchanted
02-07-2008, 03:58
/facepalm.
Sequitur
02-07-2008, 04:02
"People are ready for us to take Diablo III to new places rather than make Diablo all over again."
What the hell is wrong with that?
The didn't take Diablo to new places with Diabo 2? Of course they did! By no means do I consider Diablo 2 a 'remake' of Diablo, and I expect only more of the best for D3.
As for stealing from WoW. Half the stuff in World of Warcraft is due to the Diablo franchise. Spells, systems, basic concepts, all begun when Diablo first launched. Who stole from who?
I understand that Diablo 2 has been a huge thing for so many people over the last few years, and they don't want to see it go down the gurgerler.
So far, Blizzard have not let us down, and have an amazing track record. I think we all just need to exercise a little faith and, dare I say it, even a little constructive criticism. Let 'new places' be a positive and exciting thing.
Trust Blizz. They've kept us going for 12 years! We owe them that much.
CombatShrine
02-07-2008, 04:10
i dont see why there is so much hate for the witch doctor.
it depends on the skills he has. I wasnt too impressed with the ones featured, but hey, if he has corpse explosion, i'm game.
the barbarian looks disgusting though. that blue charge attack he has looked dope.
There is just so much fail in the original post i honestly do not know where i would start.
Facepalm indeed.
Ok, so if you don't like the game so much, when it comes out and your at your local gamestop or walmart; instead if picking up D3 pick up hello kitty instead. You'll like that.
As for people complaining about the witch doctor, We are going to be experiencing new area's to the world. So of course there are people that do different professions than what we are use to. And don't worry, you'll like the witch doctor. Blizzard always makes their classes in any game likable by the masses(you).
I really don't understand anything of what the OP is saying. I was a hardcore Diablo and Diablo 2 fan and before the announcement of Diablo 3 I was quite worried they were going to go in the wrong direction with the game.
But I kept my faith and when I saw the gameplay footage it surpassed my expectations. I've watched it through about four times now and it seems to get better each time I watch it.
All I thought I wanted was a Diablo 2 with better graphics, but looking at the advances they've made on the previous game already, it's obvious to me they know what they're doing and i'm so glad they didn't just make Diablo 2 again.
On top of that, after watching all of the WWI developer panels, the designers didn't say one single thing that upset me about their decisions on the game. They know how careful they have to be in terms of making a worthy addition to the series... that's why it took them 7 years just to show us a preview.
I really don't understand anything of what the OP is saying. I was a hardcore Diablo and Diablo 2 fan and before the announcement of Diablo 3 I was quite worried they were going to go in the wrong direction with the game.
But I kept my faith and when I saw the gameplay footage it surpassed my expectations. I've watched it through about four times now and it seems to get better each time I watch it.
All I thought I wanted was a Diablo 2 with better graphics, but looking at the advances they've made on the previous game already, it's obvious to me they know what they're doing and i'm so glad they didn't just make Diablo 2 again.
On top of that, after watching all of the WWI developer panels, the designers didn't say one single thing that upset me about their decisions on the game. They know how careful they have to be in terms of making a worthy addition to the series... that's why it took them 7 years just to show us a preview.
I feel almost the exact same way. Well put.
ThulRasha
02-07-2008, 07:42
Of course it will not be exactly what you want, since you are not making the game. This is always the case. Posts like this were all over the forums during the Diablo2 development. And if there had been a community during the Diablo1 development, there would also be people who wanted things differently then.
That doesn't mean that the game will not be a big success. I'm positive that it will be, from what I have seen.
When D2 came out, not everyone was happy. What's going to change?
The number of people who are unhappy.
Come on, the game isnt even finished yet and youre allready complaining about it:scratchchin:
Yeah, and?
What are we supposed to do: Wait for the game to hit the shelves, then complain to Blizzard to change the direction they've took the franchise? This is the best time to tell Blizzard exactly what we want. (It's too bad they kept it under wraps for four years.) They're creating this game for the paying customer (us), and if we don't like it, then we won't buy it; in other words, Blizzard needs to start listening.
raveharu
02-07-2008, 07:52
in other words, Blizzard needs to start listening.
They MIGHT take realistic suggestions into account.
But just look at Bnet's suggestion forum, its 3/4 filled with D3 rants.
mouseman
02-07-2008, 08:47
Failed.
They specifically said the story content doesn't get in your way if you don't want to. And talked about the non-verbal atmosphere building, which is priceless to any game, IMO.
If you don't want any changes, go play D2 :) I want a true sequel, not a remake. As far as I'm concerned, they're really kept a lot features in; isometric view, keeping it ARPG instead of MMO or something and so on. Maybe they even kept too much, that's my only concern.
But with this many people it's impossible to please everyone. When you bow to someone you're always mooning to someone else.
Sequitur
02-07-2008, 09:21
I stopped viewing B.net forums as soon as I signed up for another account @ diii.net.
Too many silly kids and spammers...
The most surprising quote I read today was this by Lead World Designer Boyarsky, "People are ready for us to take Diablo III to new places rather than make Diablo all over again."
Since when do we want something different than the Diablo we love?
So you're saying you just want more Diablo 2? I don't know about you, but I didn't wait 8-10 years to play Diablo 2.5. I'm ready for some refreshing additions to the Diablo games, some innovation, etc..
Pitboss_2000
02-07-2008, 11:38
Well, I've seen the gameplay vid at least twice now, and it looks EXACTLY like what I want.
I've also seen it a couple of times.
It doesn't look like what I want.
It looks like it's exactly what I never knew I wanted - but now I do :) I'm very excited about this.
ColtFourFive
02-07-2008, 14:06
Just an FYI.... this game is NOT coming out any time soon. This christmas season? Is that a joke? Starcraft 2 probably isnt coming out until next year, and I dont expect to see D3 hit the shelves until 2010 at the very least. Blizzard polishes their games so hard they blind you with how shiny they are. And I'm happy for it.
I think the problem is not that Blizzard is taking Diablo 3 in a new direction, but that there are far too many Diablo 2 fans that don't want Diablo 3, they want Diablo 2 with updated graphics.
I am not crazy about the art direction but it won't stop me from playing the game.
The thing I am more concerned about is how much story will be involved. I like the Diablo games because the storyline is barebones. There is just enough there to get the point of the game across and then it's time to pound skulls and rip flesh. I don't want that to change so I hope the story will not interfere with the pace.
LucianDK
02-07-2008, 14:49
The OP cant be serious, the game is looking NOTHING like wow. And I for one is excited about the witch doctor. Seems more unique and imaginative instead of a generic necromancer archetype which have been found in so many other games now.
Leave it to blizzard to come up with something unique to set new trends.
I don't see any problem with it so far...
TraderScope
02-07-2008, 15:39
The author makes some good points that are discussable, differential from those rants I have seen here in the forums lately.
Not being able to trade anymore because we can only pickup item types of our character class? No Thanks
While I don't agree on all of the "main concerns" the OP brought up, I would really like to be able to trade in Diablo 3. That's really what makes the game enjoyable for me in the first place..it's what works in Diablo 2 and that's what they should adapt to ^3. I can already see Pillz retiring..
tetracycloide
02-07-2008, 15:55
Why in the F would you have people working on the Diablo game who never played it, and some that admitted they didn't originally like the game, I mean wth. I want the guy who spent his childhood playing Diablo 8 hours a day working on Diablo 3 because he's now a programmer but also a gamer and artist.
I know this question was retorical but I'll answer it anyway. You want those kinds of people in addition to die hard diablo fans so that something new can be brought to the table. If the only people that worked on the game were people that want it to look exactly like D2 then it wouldn't be D3 it would be D2 with enhanced graphics. D2 wasn't perfect and populating the design team with people that think it was will only serve to repeat the same mistakes of the original games.
Queen Mebd
02-07-2008, 15:57
Witchdoctor type characters more than half the playerbase adamantly doesn't want? No Thanks
Just curious, how are you arriving at that figure? The Necromancer in D3 Poll (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=668402) actually shows more votes for the new witch doctor character than a return of the necromancer; how might you explain this counterfactual?
Sequitur
02-07-2008, 16:15
Just curious, how are you arriving at that figure? The Necromancer in D3 Poll (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=668402) actually shows more votes for the new witch doctor character than a return of the necromancer; how might you explain this counterfactual?
I'll take this one. It's simple maths..
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Let's assume that each post crying about Witch Doctors represents 1,000,000,000 hardcore gamers who hate the idea of Diablo 3.
Multiply this by the actual number of posts. I'm going to with the forum average of Seven (7).
1,000,000,000 x 7 = 7,000,000,000
By this logic, Seven billion people are unhappy that Witch Doctors are in the game, effectively pushing out the Necromancer.
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Disclaimer: There is no logic involved in the above equation, just as there was no logic present in the OP's quote 'Witchdoctor type characters more than half the playerbase adamantly doesn't want?' Batteries not included.
Zombie wall is awesome
none of you have played the witch doctor yet anyway
There are many classes in D2 that I never play (like druid) but some people like them
My first time posting in years:
Stop whining. Don't you think it's a little early for that? The game I see in that video is essentially Diablo with a few minor changes. In fact, it looks like almost the same game with graphics upgrades...if anything that's what the complaint should be.
Nothing at this point is set in stone. Relax.
you're right DWS, we should wait until the game is released before we voice our opinions, because it's a lot easier to make fundamental changes to the game after it's been released, instead of when it's in alpha, right?
My first time posting in years
What username did you have previously?
Dorfoumous
02-07-2008, 19:05
You know what is sad...is that some of the people that hate the "change" in diablo 3, are the one that support "Obama's change".
At any rate... Do you know much change there was from Diablo 1 > Diablo 2. Different classes all together...
Yet that is a big deal now?
I don't get it.
Simple. Don't Buy it.
to be perfectly honest, if Diablo 3 was just a remake of diablo 2.. I wouldn't buy it. I'd save my money and play diablo 2.
I don't want diablo 2 all over again. I really don't. I want a new game.
You know what is sad...is that some of the people that hate the "change" in diablo 3, are the one that support "Obama's change".
At any rate... Do you know much change there was from Diablo 1 > Diablo 2. Different classes all together...
Yet that is a big deal now?
I don't get it.
Simple. Don't Buy it.
to be perfectly honest, if Diablo 3 was just a remake of diablo 2.. I wouldn't buy it. I'd save my money and play diablo 2.
I don't want diablo 2 all over again. I really don't. I want a new game.
uh, wow
the stupidity of this post just amazes me
uh, wow
the stupidity of this post just amazes me
The rudeness of your post amazes me.
Clean it up it future.
TraderScope
02-07-2008, 21:13
Please don't mix up politics with game industry or it's fans. For me anyway, the games have always represented somehow politic free-zone where there is no racial differencies or too much of "real world" politicial differencies. Just my gold nugget.
you're right DWS, we should wait until the game is released before we voice our opinions, because it's a lot easier to make fundamental changes to the game after it's been released, instead of when it's in alpha, right?
Ok fair enough. I will say this then - it is essentially a Diablo game and the differences are negligable. In other words the differences thus far between D3 and D2 are to me roughly similar to that of D1 and D2. Less so even.
In addition, I am not sure what you mean when you say "we" given you do not speak for the community. I guess perhaps your phrasing of your own personal fears should perhaps be worded as such.
And finally I think you are being melodramatic in that your whole viewpoint is "the sky is falling".
1) witch doctor suck
- I think he's cool. I think the assassin sucks so I never played one.
2) no trading
- I'd think it may be similar to wow in that if you wear it, it's yours and untradable. But something you picked up might be tradable. Maybe you can wait and see, or at least give something constructive.
3) artwork sucks
- same as D2, essentially. i don't see the wow comparison.
OP,
I think you're misinformed about item drops, because I've been following things pretty closely and I haven't seen any mention of "class-specific" drops. In fact, if I recall, I thought I read the exact opposite. Please link me to an official source where you heard that.
Nothing about any of the items' descriptions shown in the gameplay video suggests that equipment will be soulbound. Until you hear something to the contrary, assume that DIII's item economy will be similar to its predecessor.
Secondly, every last one of your quotes is taken completely out of context. You're trying too hard to convince yourself that WoW is poisoning Diablo III. It's been almost a DECADE since Diablo II; please expect that things are going to change and evolve, and please don't automatically assume that if they do, it's because of WoW.
In any case, if you're still unconvinced and already blowing off a game that's been announced for three days and is pre-beta... :wave:
I for one cannot get over the fact of what I have seen. I do hope they make improvements in the art of the game. I feel it is indeed to "WoW" based. The edges of the items are to "soft". The armour and weapon models need improvements. They have lost most of thier realistic appeal. Same with the character models. The female barbarian screenshot i seen did not strike me as Diablo-like but Wow-like and for that I am deeply disapointed.
I don't want another Diablo 2 expansion as some have been saying. I want a new Diablo, Diablo 3. Very badly in fact. I have no problems with taking very successfull skills or subsystems from other Blizzard games and using them in D3 but not the look or feel of the game. Diablo had it's own look and feel and thats one of the strongest pulls i felt from the game. It's what helped keep this junkie hooked so to speak.
The look and feel of the game is one of the most constant elements you come in contact with while playing. There can be no mistakes here for a superior Diablo gaming experience.
Blizzard makes the best games in the industry hands down. I know they will take the needed time to make this game all it can be. All I can ask is that they consider our thoughts/comments during their work.
Funkopotamus
03-07-2008, 05:05
I enjoyed the crap out of the gameplay videos I watched when I first saw them too. It was pretty bright and soft but whatever, maybe it's just daytime, maybe it's an area that's supposed to look like your could keep your feet warm in it and the zombies are just spawned there for the demonstration. Point is, it came across as Diablo 2 with updated graphics. This was in that little 3x4 video thing they have on their site. At that point my main complaint was the barbarian's biceps were as big as his head and he looked fat.
When I saw the larger pictures though, the closest thing I could relate the style to is Warcraft3/WoW. There's nothing epic about Warcraft. It's not horribly bad, but a lot of things need to either be grit down or have some explanation as to why they look like the inside of a mall. I don't mean making everything super dark, just not pristine.
Aaaand the armor needs to be toned down. Who's going to wear shoulder armor if they block 60% of your vision?
- same as D2, essentially. i don't see the wow comparison.
The OP cant be serious, the game is looking NOTHING like wow.
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/6795/diabloiii20080628035157dw4.jpg ?
Dorfoumous
03-07-2008, 05:19
Ok...how bout this fact.
Uh, the game hasn't even entered the alpha stage of development.
We don't what the rest of the game looks like.
Zarniwoop
03-07-2008, 05:31
Has anyone seen any quotes about length of game they are shooting for?
It would concern me if their looking for a "richer, more focused" game. Because in industry speak, that means "we're cutting the length in half".
raveharu
03-07-2008, 05:38
OP,
I think you're misinformed about item drops, because I've been following things pretty closely and I haven't seen any mention of "class-specific" drops. In fact, if I recall, I thought I read the exact opposite. Please link me to an official source where you heard that.
Nothing about any of the items' descriptions shown in the gameplay video suggests that equipment will be soulbound. Until you hear something to the contrary, assume that DIII's item economy will be similar to its predecessor.
Secondly, every last one of your quotes is taken completely out of context. You're trying too hard to convince yourself that WoW is poisoning Diablo III. It's been almost a DECADE since Diablo II; please expect that things are going to change and evolve, and please don't automatically assume that if they do, it's because of WoW.
In any case, if you're still unconvinced and already blowing off a game that's been announced for three days and is pre-beta... :wave:
:thumbup:
I am also curious to know where did this "class-specific" drops came about.
I saw the video but there was nothing mentioned.
They did mentioned that there are class-specified items, just like D2 ( orbs for sorcs, shrunken heads for necros etc etc).
Ubiquitous Chaos
03-07-2008, 08:57
It seems like many quotes in these developer interviews are showing the true creative focus behind the game, catering to a large amount of people and making Diablo it much more story driven which will make the game smaller in scale.
The most surprising quote I read today was this by Lead World Designer Boyarsky, "People are ready for us to take Diablo III to new places rather than make Diablo all over again."
Since when do we want something different than the Diablo we love? What is this guy talking about. It scares me that the lead world designer for the game never even played Diablo growing up. Why in the F would you have people working on the Diablo game who never played it, and some that admitted they didn't originally like the game, I mean wth. I want the guy who spent his childhood playing Diablo 8 hours a day working on Diablo 3 because he's now a programmer but also a gamer and artist.
Witchdoctor type characters more than half the playerbase adamantly doesn't want? No Thanks
Not being able to trade anymore because we can only pickup item types of our character class? No Thanks
Artwork in the style more suitable to warcraft than Diablo? No Thanks
Head Designer Jay Wilson said this when asked a question about the game being similiar to WoW
"Kotaku: In the demo you showed during the Opening Ceremony, you gave us a glimpse at the Witch Doctor class which seems to use several spells similar to those found in World of Warcraft. Do you worry that some fans will think you’re just copying aspects of WoW?
Jay Wilson: No. Do I think people will say that? Yes, I think they will. One of the things I like to remind people is that it’s okay to steal from ourselves. A good idea is a good idea and a good skill is a good skill and so when we look across all our games we borrow from each other all of the time."
So they are copying many elements from WoW into Diablo3, Jay just admitted it. Jay then goes on to say if they alienate a portion of the playerbase due to it being similiar to WoW, they will make it up in the people who will see "warrior" and compare it to WoW and want to play Diablo. He's basically giving the middle finger to oldschool diablo players if they can get the WoW crowd
Alot of people are saying this game has at least one and a half years, but if you read these interviews, you'd see that they are done with the story. It's done, over. They've got their characters set in stone, and everything written out. I wouldn't be surprised if the game hits beta by next February if not Christmas.
The way people ***** and moan about a game that has been announced for less than a week is both astounding and atrocious. Makes me wish they had just said 'to hell with the announcement' and waited 3 months before release to hype to give whiners less to complain about. This is nowhere near a final product and if you think it is you are, flat-out, a damned fool.
A) How exactly do you figure more story = smaller scale? For one D3 developers have stated the game will be similar in size to D2. Two, the greater the story the greater the immersion, which in turn results in bringing you to more places.
B) He's saying the focus isn't on creating a carbon copy of D2 except in 3D. If you really want to play D2 again so badly, find your ****ing discs/keys. What did you see in the gameplay trailer that makes you think this isn't part of the Diablo franchise?
C) More than half of the playerbase doesn't want the Witchdoctor? Yours is the first complaint I've heard about the class' existence. Stop pulling numbers out of your *** and start pulling your head out.
D) They didn't say trading was gone, they are revamping the way trading works.
E) The color palette, from what we have seen (OMG FRAGMENTS OF 2 LEVELS) is brighter than what we've seen before. That's about it for art being "similar" to WoW. Other than that, it looks like D2 with updated graphics. As for textures and environments and so on, there is no comparison between D3 and WoW so far.
F) Many? So far we have a similar inventory, and one spell. OMFG IT'S WOW2!!!! No, it isn't. Blizzard games have been borrowing elements from one another from the get go and yet they're all unique. Guess where WoW got socketing? D2. For somebody who complains that they want somebody who grew up playing Diablo designing D3, you sure seem to not notice much about Blizzard's history of sharing elements between their franchises.
G) He's giving the middle finger to old-school Diablo players by saying they'll gain as many customers as they'll lose? How ****ing incredibly hypocritical of you as just as many ''old-schoolers'' are giving Blizzard the middle finger with this bull**** salvo of moaning over a week old announced game.
H) There you go pulling randomness out of your *** again. You must be some sort of contortionist what with with your head in your *** and your foot in your mouth. Set in stone? Asinine nonsense.
StreetShark
03-07-2008, 10:59
This game is going to be %50 WoW mechanics and %50 Diablo, all the interviews with the developers are already showing that. WoW ruined World PVP play for the average player who couldn't cut it, then later added in arena's and small instances to top off the casual gamers experience. Games are being watered down and catered to the many while devotion to a solid following is thrown out the window in the hope of profit potential.
Most of you have no idea how the game industry works nor can you speak using complete sentences and that's the exact reason we end up with sequels to epic games that are catered towards the masses rather than the original playerbase. Blizzard would rather bring over 2 million of the now bored WoW players to Diablo than give the 400k who want a slightly different artistic direction in Diablo3 what they want, but that's business. Diablo3 is going to have so many ideas taken from WoW it will make your headspin. That first boss in the gameplay video sure looks similar to a mob in WoW.
But continue in your blind devotion, its pretty humorous. :coffee:
@Ubiquitous Chaos - clean up your posting habits. While you can. :)
coldsong
03-07-2008, 12:28
hmmm.... o rly?
This game is going to be %50 WoW mechanics and %50 Diablo, all the interviews with the developers are already showing that. WoW ruined World PVP play for the average player who couldn't cut it, then later added in arena's and small instances to top off the casual gamers experience. Games are being watered down and catered to the many while devotion to a solid following is thrown out the window in the hope of profit potential.
Most of you have no idea how the game industry works nor can you speak using complete sentences and that's the exact reason we end up with sequels to epic games that are catered towards the masses rather than the original playerbase. Blizzard would rather bring over 2 million of the now bored WoW players to Diablo than give the 400k who want a slightly different artistic direction in Diablo3 what they want, but that's business. Diablo3 is
going to have so many ideas taken from WoW it will make your headspin. That first boss in the gameplay video sure looks similar to a mob in WoW.
But continue in your blind devotion, its pretty humorous. :coffee:
lol...that boss is a wow mob? I think I saw hammers too, that's a wow item!!!
Blizzard have stated to myself and others that trading will very much be part of the game, they just haven't released any specifics but they acknowledge the support in the game for it now isn't ideal and will need addressing in the sequel. Items aren't all soulbound or BoE. What you see dropped is yours, everyone sees different loot from a kill. This is to a avoid ninja pickups.
We don't know what % of the playerbase wants to play the Witchdoctor. Before the game is released most will jump between which are their favourite characters based on information Blizzard release and even then that will only be half the picture. The characters are not set in stone, they aren't even in alpha yet.
Of course they will use ideas from WoW for Diablo 3. As Blizzard said, a good idea is a good idea. There's no point being precious about it. WoW is a great game with some fantastic spells/skills, some of which are found in Diablo 2.
Blizzard aren't giving the finger to anyone, least of all the loyal Diablo players.
"People are ready for us to take Diablo III to new places rather than make Diablo all over again."
This is what I want. If I wanted Diablo 2 I'd play that. If Blizzard wanted to release another Diablo 2, they'd just roll out another xpack.
tetracycloide
03-07-2008, 16:16
Games are being watered down and catered to the many while devotion to a solid following is thrown out the window in the hope of profit potential.
Popular and wattered down are not synonymns. You should not allow the fact that someone with less skilled or less time to play is capable of enjoying the game prevent you from enjoying it yourself.
I just wanted to correct your title:
This time around I don't think the Diablo I get will be the one I want.
Because so far, I think it looks awesome. Please don't try to speak for me by saying "we". I don't share your feelings at all.
stillman
03-07-2008, 18:58
I think the problem is people expect a Diablo1 atmosphere. Well Diablo1 showed a child with his throat cut (The king's son, killed by Lazarus) on an alter, where btw you chase naked snow witches around. Diablo2 had far less nudity, and it's hard to recall becasue of the size of the game, but I believe there was no child death imagery in d2. Does anyone really expect the full throttle of Diablo1 imagery to make its' way into D3? It's not going to happen.
They made D1 long ago when they had no clue as to how successful it would become. They can't just do whatever they want anymore. Even more relavant, they can't do what we all want. D3 will have less of a dark atmosphere, and no amount of protest will ever change that. We need to just accept reality and move on. These are different times. Blizzard has a different audience in addition to us, and different expectations.
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