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LazloMendelbummer
01-07-2008, 03:19
The Batman Analogy
AKA... Comparing the history of Batman films to the Diablo franchise.

Batman has worked great on film as a character living in a dark and edgy environment. I think everyone can agree that Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan have done great jobs with their artistic direction.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/news/batman-begins/BatmanBegins1.jpg
Example- "Batman Begins". Here there's tons of shadows and a VERY reductive palate. A lot of the move looks monochromatic and it worked.

However, the Batman franchise has been taking in other horrible directions, too...

http://www.fanzing.com/images/imgs03/brobin.jpg
Example- "Batman and Robin". Here we have a director that really likes to use color to portray feeling and drama. You know what? It didn't work. This movie was not only a flop because Batman's suit had both ice skates and nipples, but because it didn't look right. When it doesn't look right, it doesn't feel right.

The Diablo universe, while diverse, is meant to be an intimidating and gory place. Heck, the teaser for the original had a crow pulling out a corpse's eye from it's socket. Ouch.

http://www-users.mat.uni.torun.pl/~rembol/eng/diablo1.jpg
Diablo - lots of area is covered by shadow. Sometimes things would lurk right near you which you weren't even aware of.

We've all seen the new screens. It does look like a Disney-fied version of Hell.

http://www.craphound.com/images/newwdwmansionrehab.jpg
Above: Disney's Haunted House. I take that back... Disney's Haunted House is DARKER.

Oh well... Blizzard is officially mainstream.

A little background on myself...

The first Diablo blew me away. As I sat in my office today and wasted time looking at the Diablo III material, I couldn't help but think back on Diablo's release. Getting pk'ed my first time was a big motivator to join a guild (Order of the Lost) and then learn HTML / Photoshop. That ridiculous experience somehow got me to where I am today. I was heavy in the DII community, though I didn't drop as many hours killing Big D's bros as I did Lazarus.

That said, in the most constructive way possible, the new Diablo disappoints in an artistic direction. I don't want to continue a spam-a-thon, but it's important that people speak up. While the trailer and most of the artwork looks appropriate, the gameplay itself does lack the curious things that go-bump-in-the-night. I remember in the original you'd have acid spitters puking sludge in your direction before you could even understand what you were seeing in the darkened corner of your screen. Heck, there were even weapons that would allow you a better seeing radius. It was HORROR.

Diablo III does have some neat gameplay offerings and ideas. Interactive environments, characters scaling the walls... GREAT. However, it seems to feel more like Gauntlet Legends than "Diablo".

I am a working artist and designer... so please don't give me too much crap about "taste".

raveharu
01-07-2008, 03:30
Ooh another thread about the colors again.

Seriously you don't have to keep making threads to make your point known.

Because there are , oohhh, WHAT 100 OVER THREADS MADE?

Rashiminos
01-07-2008, 03:35
Batman and Robin flopped because George Clooney can't do Batman, 'nuff said. Otherwise it was good. The other parts of that movie were alright.

Similarly for Diablo 3...

LazloMendelbummer
01-07-2008, 03:47
... I don't think an Academy Award winner was the reason why the movie has a 28 on metacritic...

I give up already. Enjoy the new Looney Toons game. I'll be playing Age of Conan. Despite all of its flaws, I least feel grounded in its environment.

Felix
01-07-2008, 03:51
The Batman Analogy
AKA... Comparing the history of Batman films to the Diablo franchise.

Batman has worked great on film as a character living in a dark and edgy environment. I think everyone can agree that Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan have done great jobs with their artistic direction.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/news/batman-begins/BatmanBegins1.jpg
Example- "Batman Begins". Here there's tons of shadows and a VERY reductive palate. A lot of the move looks monochromatic and it worked.

However, the Batman franchise has been taking in other horrible directions, too...

http://www.fanzing.com/images/imgs03/brobin.jpg
Example- "Batman and Robin". Here we have a director that really likes to use color to portray feeling and drama. You know what? It didn't work. This movie was not only a flop because Batman's suit had both ice skates and nipples, but because it didn't look right. When it doesn't look right, it doesn't feel right.

The Diablo universe, while diverse, is meant to be an intimidating and gory place. Heck, the teaser for the original had a crow pulling out a corpse's eye from it's socket. Ouch.

http://www-users.mat.uni.torun.pl/~rembol/eng/diablo1.jpg
Diablo - lots of area is covered by shadow. Sometimes things would lurk right near you which you weren't even aware of.

We've all seen the new screens. It does look like a Disney-fied version of Hell.

http://www.craphound.com/images/newwdwmansionrehab.jpg
Above: Disney's Haunted House. I take that back... Disney's Haunted House is DARKER.

Oh well... Blizzard is officially mainstream.

A little background on myself...

The first Diablo blew me away. As I sat in my office today and wasted time looking at the Diablo III material, I couldn't help but think back on Diablo's release. Getting pk'ed my first time was a big motivator to join a guild (Order of the Lost) and then learn HTML / Photoshop. That ridiculous experience somehow got me to where I am today. I was heavy in the DII community, though I didn't drop as many hours killing Big D's bros as I did Lazarus.

That said, in the most constructive way possible, the new Diablo disappoints in an artistic direction. I don't want to continue a spam-a-thon, but it's important that people speak up. While the trailer and most of the artwork looks appropriate, the gameplay itself does lack the curious things that go-bump-in-the-night. I remember in the original you'd have acid spitters puking sludge in your direction before you could even understand what you were seeing in the darkened corner of your screen. Heck, there were even weapons that would allow you a better seeing radius. It was HORROR.

Diablo III does have some neat gameplay offerings and ideas. Interactive environments, characters scaling the walls... GREAT. However, it seems to feel more like Gauntlet Legends than "Diablo".

I am a working artist and designer... so please don't give me too much crap about "taste".

Make your own game then why don't you?

sectoid
01-07-2008, 06:15
Batman and Robin flopped because George Clooney can't do Batman, 'nuff said. Otherwise it was good. The other parts of that movie were alright.

Seriously I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT. It's almost a "my opinion is worth nothing" admittance. Sorry for being rude, it's really incredible, that's one of the worst movies ever made and the worst of all Batman movies. That's not just my opinion also, it most people's.

Make your own game then why don't you?

If you don't have anything to add to a conversation, then please don't participate.

Well, adding a bit of worth to it myself: the OP should just sign the petition (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=668690). I agree with you and have already signed. I have some differences with what the petition asks, though, and these are posted at that topic. Please add your opinion there! :thumbup:

PS: I find it amazing when we have 100+ topics over the same problem. It shows a lot of people have the same feeling, while not being too much influenced by others (if they were they would not create a new topic, they would instead add their voice to the existent ones). I hope Blizzard will listen!

yukisho
01-07-2008, 08:04
I will refer to a topic posted earlier today. Look at the D2 beta shots. Then the end product. Thing's change. They always do. Don't worry, you'll get what you want in the end, we all will. No one will be complaining about graphics or anything else for that matter the day the game comes out. It will be look I did this first, or I got this first.

mondry
01-07-2008, 08:28
Everyone complains about SOMETHING now, this early. Why do you think they even show us the game THIS EARLY? So they can get the publics opinion on it.

Now they can go back and change certain things, of course they wont give the public any credit for helping them come up with the changes but oh well. it makes us a better game in the long run so I wont complain... or will I?!?!