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Traceedrago
30-06-2008, 07:59
First of all I'd like to start with saying that when I saw that there was going to be a Diablo 3 (The day after the anouncment, ironicly I saw it as I was cancelling my subscription to wow. Lol I think it was a sign).

Anyway...after watching the vids, reading all the articles on the site, and doing alot forum searching and diablo sites, I can found a few things that aren't really well known.

I. I believe that the main (or at least one of the main) antoganists in the story.
Here are my reasons:
a). It shows a very large demon in the teaser. Who looks quite abit like Diablo, though a tad skeletal. I have a couple of theories of his return.

1. Diablo could have been resurected as in necromancy or maybe more of a true resurection by a great magical means.
2. Baal (who's soulstone was never shown destroyed, there fore was never really killed) absorbed the essences of his fallen brothers and either gained more of a Diablo like visage, or perhaps his younger brother overcame hisw will and became dominant (similar to what he did to the wanderer).
3. The destruction of the world stone may have had some effect on the rules of how the world goes round...who knows it's blizzard.
b). Also during the teaser while The woman (who will from now on be reffered to as Leah, will go more in on that later) narrates "But as the shadow once again crawls across our world". If you all remeber from the Act II cintematic from Diablo II, Marius narrated "And always, a dark cloud seemed to follow us...just over the horizon". Sounds similar doesn't it? Well there's more. Leah goes on to say "And a stench of terror drifts on a bitter wind."
If I remember corectly, let's see...Diablo is the lord of....darn I can't remember what...Oh wait, TERROR. I don't think Blizzard is trying to hide the fact that it is Diablo. Cintimatic trailers (especially high quality ones like the teaser) take hundreds of hours to make and there is little room for mistakes. Though then again when mistakes are made and over looked at first they're nearly impossible to fix (For example, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children took years to make, it was carefully planned and closely watched for mistakes, though when the finished product shipped there were still a handfull of mistakes, for example: during the fight with Loz Kaj and the other guy(can never remember the guy with the guns name) Cloud pulls out the main sword and the the front blade and gets knocked off the bike. when he lands he's holding the main and back blade but when the back blade gets knocked out of his hand he goes to retrieve it and finds the front blade. Theres a web site that shows the all of the glitches which is where I found that example. I can't find it but I give all credit to that site.)
c.) And my final reason....THE NAME OF THE NAME IS DIABLO I mean come on people...that should be reason enough. It's like having a Zelda game without having that stupid b!*% bossing you around (for the record I love Zelda games, it's just that you think Link would get some for wasting his life saving her from Ganon). Nuff said. I'm pretty sure Diablo will be in Diablo 3.

II. Next to clarify on the whole Leah/Narrator deal. Three official pieces of media lead me to this.
a. At the end of the dungeon in the gameplay trailer the Barbarian tells Cain "Get yourself back to town Cain, Leah worries after you". This is the source of the name.
b. In the concept art there are two pictures of Cain with a young woman who looks an awful lot like the girl from the teaser. I believe it's safe to assume they are one and the same.

Also I'd like to query, Just how old is Cain? He was an old man in Diablo 1, There's around a couple of years difference between 1 and 2 and Diablo 3 is 20 years later than 2. I'd have to say in his 90s or up.

III. Diablo 3 should have more than just 5 classes, my guess would be 7+. I'm not going to source anything and a fore warning the quotes in this sub-topic will just be what I remember reading from various sites. First off with the current "5" roster of classes would most likely be as follows:

1.Barbarian(announced)
2.Witch Doctor(announced)
3.Archer(A bow drops in the trailer, there has to be a class for it, possibly a combination of multiple classes.)
4.Magic class(sorc type, I did read somthing interesting online, saying that some one who's cousin worked for blizzard and told him that Necro and Sorc would be combined, don't know if it's true but I hope not.)
5.This one is kinda open could be a palidon type(the whole thing is heaven vs. hell) or druid(theres a picture of a woman wearing a wolf helm and a snake wrapped around her arm in the concept art.)

Though acording to interviews and q&as there will be "several new classes" and several that will be revamped.
Several: 2 b: more than two but fewer than many
there fore with that said we can expect 6+ classes
I just hope they come up with a fast attacker class kinda like the assassin except less stealth/trap oriented, more of just a pure damage dealer, oh well we can only trust blizzard.

Also I read some where that Diablo 3's current status is the core game, all classes, and act 1. Not confirmed though.

IV. I've heard alot of people complain about the inventory, saying it's to "Wowish"...I sadly say that I think I have found evidence of this being true. In the game trailer when the barbarian fights all the sheild-bearing skeles on the bridge "Small bag" drops from one of the skeles. this could mean that you increase your inventory size via bags, though more unlikely it could be similar to the random lock boxes, clam shells ect that drop in wow that contain items in them. Personally I think it would be cool if they kept the tetris like inventory and used bags to increase the amount of boxes and allowed you to turn items to fit better. Oh well...

V. This is just a kind of theory, as most of us know(I use most lightly) There are 7 Great Evils of Hell

Duriel, the Lord/Prince of Pain
Boss of Act II, Dead.
Andariel, the Maiden of Anguish
Boss of Act I, Dead.
Belial, the Lord of Lies
Along with Azmodan, they through over the Prime Evils as they were trying to turn man to their side. After suceeding they had a disagreement on who would be dominant and are now both locked in a civil war in Hell.
Azmodan, the Lord of Sin
Same as Belial.
Diablo, the Lord of Terror
Final Boss of Diablo I, Boss of Act IV of Diable II. Soul Stone destroyed. Dead?
Mephisto, the Lord of Hatred
Boss of Act III, Dead. Soul stone destroyed
Baal, the Lord of Destruction
Boss of Act V, Dead. Soul stone never destroyed.

Well as we see here, only 2 of the great evils are still alive and both are at each others throats. Also only one of the Prime Evils Soul stone remains.

I think it's safe to say that Azmodan and Belial will be major bosses in Diablo 3 and it's possible that Baal will also play a major part in the game.

Traceedrago
30-06-2008, 08:02
VI. As for the new features in battle.net one will most likely be a guild system, similar to that of wow, hopefully they will make it so you can get your entire guild together on a server otherwise it would seem kind of pointless to have (as a side note, the current cap per sever is 8, this is most likely to be raised to as high as 16, to bad....I was hoping that it would be possible to have wow raid-like expiriances.(with higher loot gold and difficulty) I'd hope as high as 30 with the same scaling that Diablo II had.


Well thats all I have for now, will add more later.

Slyrad
30-06-2008, 08:46
I bet Marius (the dude who accompanied the Wanderer in D2, who no one really knows anything about) has Baal's Soulstone and is going to do something with it in D3.

Also, you friend was probably referring to the Witch Doctor, who does seem like a combination of a Necro and a Sorc.

Also, for D3's battle.net, would be really cool if there was a battlegrounds/dota type of pvp gameplay. That would be super awesome! I hope Blizzard releases a map editor for D3 and has a place where people can hot custom games on b.net.

Traceedrago
30-06-2008, 08:51
Marius dies during the epilouge. Baal disguises himself as Tyreal and confronts him. The whole cinamatics in Diablo II were about Marius relating to Baal/"Tyreal" what he saw happen during the course of the game, in the end Marius gives Baal his soul stone and Baal reveals who he is and kills Marius.

Mad Mantis
30-06-2008, 08:56
Your edit button disappears after a hour. It is not necessary to reserve places.

Traceedrago
30-06-2008, 08:58
Oh...huh... guess I'll add stuff in the middle.

VII.I got a new idea to expand on Diablos return, it has to do with the whole Baal absorbing his brothers thing.http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6890/diablo3bj9.jpg
(credit goes to Max Bob for the image and the inspiration)
As you can well see, the new "Diablo" has three mouths. One on his face, and one on each shoulder. maybe these extra mouths represent the combined force of the 3 prime evils? It would also explain how it has a different form than ever before seen. If you think about itit does kind of look as if "Diablo's physical form has elements from both of his brothers.

Sokar Rostau
30-06-2008, 09:24
The idea that the girl in the trailer is anyone other than Anya is silly.

Morannon
30-06-2008, 09:37
The idea that the girl in the trailer is anyone other than Anya is silly.

Why? Anya didn't play a very big role in D2 if I recall correctly. Also she should be at least 35-45 by now which the trailer girl is not.

State your reasoning.

Traceedrago
30-06-2008, 09:39
It wasn't a valid statement, she was either making a joke or is getting rather confuzed about the game.

Swiffer
30-06-2008, 09:41
The idea that the girl in the trailer is anyone other than Anya is silly.

Eh, i am not entirely certain. I am sure we will see her again (someone has to have survived Arreat going boom) but the girl in the trailor looks a little young to be 40 (Anya had to be at least late teens or early 20s in LOD, which puts her in the late 30 to early 40 range for D3).

I am also not really certain about the 'Diablo absorbing his brothers' theory. Yes he comes back in some form, but Baals Soulstone is the only one that we cannot actually say is destroyed. If i had to lay down a theory, i would say Baal (perhaps a weakened form) will play some part in the game, likely the one responsible for discovering the means of bringing Diablo back to life.

Traceedrago
30-06-2008, 09:44
Um...I agree with you. then again that is what I said.
"2. Baal (who's soulstone was never shown destroyed, there fore was never really killed) absorbed the essences of his fallen brothers and either gained more of a Diablo like visage, or perhaps his younger brother overcame hisw will and became dominant (similar to what he did to the wanderer)."

Sokar Rostau
30-06-2008, 09:59
"It has been said, that in the end of all things, we would find a new beginning. But as the shadow once again crawls across our world, and the stench of terror drifts on a bitter wind, the people pray for strength and guidance. They should for pray the mercy of a swift death, for I have seen what the darkness hides (1:26-1:35 images of events from LoD that Anya knew of). I... I don't think it's safe here."

It is implied in D1 that Cain is a LOT older than he looks. There are many cases in the real world of women that look a lot younger than they are, I know a 40 year old, for example, that doesn't look a day over 25, hell, I used to know a 90 year old that looked to be in her late 50s. Take both of these into account, together with any magic that Anya has access to, or is under the influence of, and it is more than reasonable for a girl that looks to be in her early 20s to be in her late 30s. This is a far more likely explanation than a young girl, who would have been a toddler at best during the time of LoD, remembering what happened 20 years ago with enough clarity to know what is happening now.

Traceedrago
30-06-2008, 10:09
Thats true but if I recall Anya had Black hair, the new girl has blonde-red hair. Other than that, the majority of those scenes are new, the only old one I really saw was of Tyreal destroying the world stone. The amass of demons is new. Lod did have an amas of demons but they were on snow, not dirt. Also from the concept art, Leah (as I still believe she is) seems to talk to cain a lot, if you watch the concept art movie it shows them in what looks like Cains study in the dead of night. And I don't think Cain is into Child molestation...then again we really don't know much about the guy.

Swiffer
30-06-2008, 10:09
This is a far more likely explanation than a young girl, who would have been a toddler at best during the time of LoD, remembering what happened 20 years ago with enough clarity to know what is happening now.

The young girl in the cinematic is seeing a vision of what is to come, not remembering what happened years ago. We see the comet smashing into the cathedral, and she talks about the shadow and the stench of terror spreading across the lands, and has 'seen what the darkness hides'.

I do not think it is Anya, but possibly a new aide that will be key to the story. I think it far more likely that we will see Anya lingering at or somewhere around the ruins of Arreat trying to discover what happened and/or how to restore the worldstone.

mjharper
30-06-2008, 10:46
The idea that the girl in the trailer is anyone other than Anya is silly.
Um… Anya's daughter?

stillman
30-06-2008, 12:20
I don't see why Blizzard is condemmed to declaring end bosses are dead for good. There are so many ways of bringing back Diablo. Here are just a few:

-The Worldstone was destroyed which alters reality; anything goes.
-When bosses "die", they get banished back the abyss or hell or w/e. "Back to the hell that spawned you Andariel" says the necromancer. It's sounds pretty nice to me; you die and get to go back to your hometown.
-Diablo may be a much more powerful entity than we have been led to believe. Maybe he is one of the gods. You know how tricky devils are; they lie about stuff. "Lord" of Terror could actually mean "God". Gods cannot be killed.
-Players get resurected all the time. Why not demons?
-The Diablo we killed in d2 may have been a decoy. Once again, Diablo has played us all for fools. Now, the real thing is coming out of hiding. And he's smarter than ever since he knows what got thrown at him the last time.
-I'm sure Diablo's arrival has something to do with that meteorite. Maybe a new technology similar to soulstones can be crafted from materials in the meteorite. Then, you simply light some candles, flip a cardboard box upsidedown for an alter, put a plump little boy on top of the alter, and jab a shard of meteor into his frontal lobe.
Then, it's just a matter of time before Diablo's spirit creeps into the boy.
-Diablo is dead and a bunch of heros spit on his body. Then, a really powerful necro comes along and casts a spell. Diablo is now undead Diablo. Afterall, he looks skinny in the video.

Anyway, Diablo will be the star of the show no matter what. I think people forget that LoD was just an expansion. Baal, Lilith, and others were just little additions to the bigger story. Diablo was never about Baal.

Traceedrago
30-06-2008, 20:01
Those are all really good ideas. Though knowing Blizzard of few of those they won't do because they don't want to piss off the fans.
Id Diablo could just come back like us regular players do after we died 8 times trying to kill him, I think that would piss alot of people off.
The Andarial quote was good, but kinda of the same thing. nice quote by the way.
It'll prolly have somthing to do with the world stone. Just think about it...where do demons go when they die? Keep in mind that if they die on earth/sanctuary wouldn't it make sense if they were judged ans sent to heaven or hell just like us mortals. but since the world stone is shatterd the walls between worlds has been destroyed.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/TraceEdrago/345345.jpg
As you can see in the diagram, Heaven and Hell are seperated from Sanctuary by the Protection of the World Stone. But as we all remember Tyreal destroyed the world ston along with the protection. Making it as much apart of the Universe as Heaven and Hell.(I think it's quite possible to randomly find portals to Heaven/Hell/ the purple area. similar to Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. This could allow you to fight extra strong Demons and Angels for good loot maybe similar to the cow portal. Just a thought. It'd be cool if Blizzard added that to the random scripting quests.)There for it's possible the rules of like and death no longer apply. Also it may be good to notice that Diablo was the only Prime Evil to not die in Sanctuary. Maybe that makes a difference.

lazenby
30-06-2008, 23:36
I like your idea of a resurrected Diablo. When I was watching the trailer with the bones forming up I thought I could see features of all three of the Prime Evils. What if somehow all 3 could be combined into a superboss.

1. People have long suspected Tyrael to be up to no good. Did his destruction of the Worldstone really help?
2. Tyrael can raise your mercenaries from the dead.
3. Could Tyrael join with a cabal of necromancers and resurrect the Evils?
4. Have necromancers been corrupted by Tyrael to become villians instead of PCs?

sectoid
01-07-2008, 03:57
2 cents:

1 - I think the three-headed figure could just be Cerberus, or Belial or Azmodan. Much more probable than merging the three prime evils in my opinion, as that would finish Diablo as he is.
2 - In my opinion the necros surely will appear and be a big part of the story. Probably NPC's. They're mentioned in the lore books as guardians of the balance of Sanctuary(not evil, not good) or something like that.