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Let's check Necromancer's popularity among fans of the game!
Xthatoneguy
30-06-2008, 01:26
umm...no?
There's only going to be 5 classes and there's already a necro-like character, the witchdoctor
The necromancer in d2 only had 1 good build (summoner) and really it's pretty boring just standing around watching skeletons kill everything for you -- the witchdoctor looks much more interesting, using poisons and mindcontrol for crowd control.
I'd rather Blizzard came up with some original ideas instead of remaking the same exact things from D2 (though they're great, why would I pay 50$ for a replica with some better graphics?)
I've seen it mentioned in a few places that the witchdoctor is not a replacement for the necro. I haven't found a blizzard source on that yet however, but I really hope its true. The necromancer is one of the best characters in Diablo 2, and the witchdoctor just doesn't cut it IMO.
It is a nice way for them to stir up talk about the game though. :p
mjkittredge
30-06-2008, 03:18
Of course, they can always add more characters in an expansion
No idea - since I haven't played D3, I have no idea how fun the witch doctor will or won't be.
rickster
30-06-2008, 03:30
I'd say it's a good guess they'll have a necromancer character in the expansion.
Kiroptus
30-06-2008, 03:33
Well me just copy-past my thoughts from the other thread:
Of all the classes in D2, the necromancer was the most original in terms of gameplay. All the other classes were very run-of-the-mill in RPGs. Mage, Archer, Knight and Warrior. The necromancer had much more interesting tricks on his sleeve rather than raw damage.
He had manipulation, summons and could dish out great damage. Barbarians on the other hand were a chore to play until you get WW. In the class design chat they said how a skill that passivally ads +2 ou +3% crit chance was too boring. Which was pretty much what the D2 barb was, full of passives, boring one hit attacks. Hell... even the shouts are pretty much passive effects that have to be applied again and again. Only WW was the thing that stood out from him. I never liked the barb because I dont like rushing, and playing through lv 1 to 29 untwiked was amazingly boring.
If the barb, the most item depentent, full of boring passives class and very few fun skills was updated to the D3 barb, which gameplay is now beautiful to behold, full of action, movements, leaps, strong and cool attacks, etc... I cant see how the necromancer himself couldnt get his own update. Of all classes he was the one who really stand out in terms of being diferent.
And no, the WD isnt the update, some of the necro's concepts were transfered to the WD, but he isnt the necromancer. I dont think its cool to receive the WD so badly, maybe I will like him but I cant see why the most original and diferent character was axed and returning only with a fraction of its former concept.
umm...no?
There's only going to be 5 classes and there's already a necro-like character, the witchdoctor
I agree with this, but...
The necromancer in d2 only had 1 good build (summoner) and really it's pretty boring just standing around watching skeletons kill everything for you
Completely disagree with this.
I agree with this
Except that someone from Blizzard already said that the WD isn't a replacement for the Necro... Now that doesn't mean the Necro is in there, but the WD isn't a replacement - so it's a possibility they're in there.
Kiroptus
30-06-2008, 03:53
Except that someone from Blizzard already said that the WD isn't a replacement for the Necro... Now that doesn't mean the Necro is in there, but the WD isn't a replacement - so it's a possibility they're in there.
Lets be realistic here. WD might not be a replacement but the necromancer WAS removed. The WD has many themes and concepts from the necromancer so... if a necro, similar to the D2 was used, it would have some similiarities with the WD which is certainly not what Blizzard wants as I am sure they want to have every class to have diferent styles.
billobob
30-06-2008, 04:20
Lets be realistic here. WD might not be a replacement but the necromancer WAS removed. The WD has many themes and concepts from the necromancer so... if a necro, similar to the D2 was used, it would have some similiarities with the WD which is certainly not what Blizzard wants as I am sure they want to have every class to have diferent styles.
dead on. Also, for people scared I would say the WD will resemble the necro much more than, say, the WoW shaman. The concept art and character design, although it does feature some "voodoo" type gear, looks fare more in the necro "undead" style than a forest or jungle motif
LucianDK
30-06-2008, 07:35
While the Necro might have been cool, this is an entirely new game. Dont expect to see and get the same classes.
I for one is excited to see this new iteration of a dark magician that is NOT an archetype that has been done to death in so many games.
Besides, it doesnt suprise me that the necromancer took the hit. Because having an army of undead to fight for you, dramatically throws balance out of the window. Just look at Guild Wars where the necromancer's minionmaster side took hard and severe hits to keep their power in check, but they are still one of the most potent builds that lets you snooze your way through the game because you can even out the number difference between foes and your party.
I wonder how do they solve armor issue for this WD dude. AFAIK, those tribal guys wear only fancy masks and some bone amulets, bracers and tatoos.
I would like a Necro with cool Elite Unique Bone Armor. You know: skull like helmet with smoldering eyes, exoskeleton style etc. Check out "Corruptor Raiment" and "Malefic Raiment" from WOW to see what I have in mind.
WD is not a valid Necro replacement for me. Having to chose now, I would pick Barb hands down.
Basically, I want a class, which is more hellish, wicked and badass than DIABLO HIMSELF! :D
How cool is to fight Diablo minions with... you own demons summoned from Hell? It's like constantly kicking Big D in the *** saying: "dude your demon kung fu <<< my demon kung fu".
If the necromancer does get taken off the witch doctor at a high level will most likely be able to summon just as many creatures as the necromancer was able to in D2. Thats just my opinion though.
Zarniwoop
30-06-2008, 08:04
No chance they allow the number of summons they did in D2.
My fear is that it won't be hard enough if you can live without potions and heal between battles.
stillman
30-06-2008, 08:18
Hideo, you seemed to have forgotten a section on the poll which you probably turned into the "who cares" part. You should have added "Hell no, I don't want anymore d2 characters back in d3".
The games looks very d2ish already especially with the barb jumping around. I want all the d2 chrs dead and burried.
Now I admit, the necro was extremely original in d2 not falling into the previous fighter/mage/archer molds. Soooo...if they can be that original, I'm sure they can come up with some new classes that will invent new molds.
Are you all SURE you don't want d2.5 or a d2 patch? How about another d2 expansion?
Are you all SURE you don't want d2.5 or a d2 patch? How about another d2 expansion?
I know that I want 3D D3 with reworked Necromancer class, just like they did it with Barbarian. If Necromancer was so unique and fitted Diablo style so well, it should be in D3 too.
I don't give a damn about originality, since I played THOUSANDS of PC games for about 15 years and noticed certain pattern: fun has NO relationship with superficial originality AT ALL. It's all in execution. It's perfectly possible to make very original new Necromancer without replacing it with a theme of voodoo magic.
When people say: "OMG Barb again... SO boring!" I laugh. From the very first gameplay video it's apparent that Barb is going to be something COMPLETELY different than it used to be.
It will be really shame if they finally drop Necro as it seems possible accounting the current facts.
IMHO Necromancer was one of THE most unique character concepts ever created not only in the diablo universe but as well at other RPG game themes. It is already a cult figure in D2 with his summons/minions play style and his dark curses and spells.
So lets add our voices and who knows maybe at last it is in the hands the fans to keep the skinny pale pal alive in yet another installment of the game!
So... I answer the poll and start reading the opening post. To my surprise it is about a theory that the American goverment was behind 9/11. I think "what the hell?", and then I see all the other posts discussing the same thing! Then I remember that this forum throws you to a random thread when you answer a poll. :crazyeyes:
Anyway, a poll was a good idea, even though I learned that I belong to the minority.
MrProphet
02-07-2008, 06:35
The necromancer in d2 only had 1 good build (summoner) and really it's pretty boring just standing around watching skeletons kill everything for you -- the witchdoctor looks much more interesting, using poisons and mindcontrol for crowd control.
Welcome to the 3 skill trees of the Diablo II necromancer: summoning, poisen and bone, and curses.
I think we should listen to everything this guy has to say. :unimpressed:
As a huge necromancer fan in D2, I have to say I wouldn't mind at all a completely new, re-worked, fantastic necromancer.
On the other hand...after watching the gameplay videos I have to say the concept of a witch doctor sounds pretty interesting. It might just be my personal opinion but I'd love to play as a witch doctor. In my eyes it seems the spiritual successor of the DII necromancer.
The only real issue I do see with this, however, is the effect on the Diablo II lore. The necromancer is a vital part of the lore in the Diablo universe. I couldn't see Blizzard just throwing him away and replacing him with the shiny new witch doctor. Either they'll include both the necromancer AND the witch doctor (unlikely), or necromancers will still be in the game as NPCs and such, just not as playable characters.
LucianDK
02-07-2008, 14:52
Welcome to the 3 skill trees of the Diablo II necromancer: summoning, poisen and bone, and curses.
I think we should listen to everything this guy has to say. :unimpressed:
As a huge necromancer fan in D2, I have to say I wouldn't mind at all a completely new, re-worked, fantastic necromancer.
On the other hand...after watching the gameplay videos I have to say the concept of a witch doctor sounds pretty interesting. It might just be my personal opinion but I'd love to play as a witch doctor. In my eyes it seems the spiritual successor of the DII necromancer.
The only real issue I do see with this, however, is the effect on the Diablo II lore. The necromancer is a vital part of the lore in the Diablo universe. I couldn't see Blizzard just throwing him away and replacing him with the shiny new witch doctor. Either they'll include both the necromancer AND the witch doctor (unlikely), or necromancers will still be in the game as NPCs and such, just not as playable characters.
Given the official info on Skeleton warriors and armies, I think it is a strong hint that the necromantic orders have succumbed to the forces of the burning hell.
MrProphet
03-07-2008, 05:07
Given the official info on Skeleton warriors and armies, I think it is a strong hint that the necromantic orders have succumbed to the forces of the burning hell.
Actually...if you're familiar with Diablo lore, the necromancers are part of an order that serves Balance between both good and evil. The first necromancer (Rathma) was taught by the dragon Trag'Oul (the set named after him in DII is a typo, i'm told).
You know though, if good had too much of an advantage over evil, the necromancers might have to do 'bad' things to help restore the balance. However, in Sanctuary, it seems evil is always prevalent over good, so necromancers never have to swing the opposite way (no humor intended).
Dorfoumous
03-07-2008, 05:17
did anyone mention that they haven't released the other characters, and we aren't even in alpha stage?
I voted for witch doctor, I don't want to play the same 5 classes again. I think it was a mistake for the Barb to come back, because now all the necro fans want a necro and If blizzard gives them a necro all the zon fans will want a zon ....
This leads to Diablo II with updated graphics. I have Diablo II, I want D3
LucianDK
03-07-2008, 16:03
I voted for witch doctor, I don't want to play the same 5 classes again. I think it was a mistake for the Barb to come back, because now all the necro fans want a necro and If blizzard gives them a necro all the zon fans will want a zon ....
This leads to Diablo II with updated graphics. I have Diablo II, I want D3
Thats the truth of it. I dont think blizzard had entirely thought it through by returning the Barbarian. That just makes the other class lovers envious.
PontifulGC
03-07-2008, 16:14
I voted for witch doctor, I don't want to play the same 5 classes again. I think it was a mistake for the Barb to come back, because now all the necro fans want a necro and If blizzard gives them a necro all the zon fans will want a zon ....
This leads to Diablo II with updated graphics. I have Diablo II, I want D3
100% agree. All it does is say: Hey, you die-hard fans of D2! Yes, the ones that found it fun to play for a decade, hey, um, oh **** You! hahah!
heres the barb though, back in action and better!
you MUST now like the stupid mock voodoo native guy. I hated them in the jungle in the game, now I have to be one? They looked retarded back in d2 and I Loved to kill them brutally. Now I can be one!
GI JOOOOEE!!! :thumbup:
If we sit down and think about it, the concept is still the same. Why are we fretting over a name change?
Poison skills -> Disease
Skeletons -> Minions
Curses -> That.. warcry/terror whatever it was.
"100% agree. All it does is say: Hey, you die-hard fans of D2! Yes, the ones that found it fun to play for a decade, hey, um, oh **** You! hahah!"
If it makes you feel better, the witch-doctor feels like a necromancer with a facelift, a facelift noteworthy enough of meriting a name change.
LucianDK
03-07-2008, 19:20
If we sit down and think about it, the concept is still the same. Why are we fretting over a name change?
Poison skills -> Disease
Skeletons -> Minions
Curses -> That.. warcry/terror whatever it was.
"100% agree. All it does is say: Hey, you die-hard fans of D2! Yes, the ones that found it fun to play for a decade, hey, um, oh **** You! hahah!"
If it makes you feel better, the witch-doctor feels like a necromancer with a facelift, a facelift noteworthy enough of meriting a name change.
QFT. The witch doctor is a more creative and reimagined version of the necro that makes me want to play Diablo3 because its a NEW and interesting looking class. Trust blizzard to come up with a original dark spellcaster class instead of reusing a now rather tired old archetype from western fantasy. The Necromancer had his time in the sun in Diablo2 and was popular for a decade because of D2.
And great to see people is picking up on it, the WD is pulling ahead in the poll.
PontifulGC
04-07-2008, 05:10
people who never played necros are voting. if this was a necro forum on dii and there was somewhere else non necro players could go, WD would be laughing stock.
Ampersand
04-07-2008, 13:50
your word against everyone else's..
I played the necro in d2 and can't wait to get rid of him
smartdot
04-07-2008, 14:17
people who never played necros are voting. if this was a necro forum on dii and there was somewhere else non necro players could go, WD would be laughing stock.
your point is moot. its like saying that a presidential candidate says that people who work in factories dont have to pay taxes. If you ask people in a factory, of course they're going to say they want to vote for them. But if you ask in an office building, you'll get mixed responses. does that mean that the people in the office aren't allowed to vote?
There's a much bigger problem to the poll beyond people who never once played the necro voting. We know very, very little about what the new witchdoctor is like. We know absolutely NOTHING about what the necromancer would be like in D3. People are comparing the WD, who is brand new with better graphics and animations, with the ten years old version of the necromancer.
Which do you like better, that brand new desktop computer with pretty lights and dual quad core processors, or the ten years old doorstop?
Reading through a lot of these threads, its very clear to me that most people have no imagination, so asking them to picture a new and improved version of the necro doesn't work.
People are comparing the WD, who is brand new with better graphics and animations, with the ten years old version of the necromancer.
IMO, old Necro still wins, hands down. ^_^
skeletons > mongrels
poison nova/explosion > locust
terror > horrify (No, I don't like to have a HUGE overdone ghost over my char.)
necro model >>> hobo model
necro animation > WD animation
There is virtually no way in which WD is superior to Necro visually.
PontifulGC
05-07-2008, 04:34
yeah. that about sums it up.
unless you are into Disney and annoying things. then it's great.
Sounds a lot like people wants a glorified D2 patch. I vote WD because I want to play something new.
Take a step back and look at the class progression from D1 to D2. I'd expect them to make the same sorts of changes going to D3. I'd hope that they dont bring necros back (at least not till expansion) because I want to play 5 new classes and if they include necro that means i've only got 3 new ones inc WD to play.
**** that. If i want to play necromancer i'll play D2.
Also I do play necromancer for the "oh noes ppl who dont like necros are voting". Beating the ubers on a summoner was a lot of fun, but I want something new in D3.
Skill/theme overlapping isnt a big deal anyway, look at druids. copied from barb/sorc/necro skills/themes mostly and they still put it in.
Mod Edit: Don't bypass the word filter
AxlStrife
06-07-2008, 08:27
Do I want to see the Necromancer back? No. The Witch Doctor fills that slot well for a character "not intended to cancel out the necro." I see the emo generation loving the graveyard-tanned, bone-wearing, scrawny, mullet-wearing guy as more flavorful, and veterans of D2 have been accustomed to seeing him for almost a decade, so I can understand the hesitation, but the volume of the outcry is ridiculous.
I'd be happy either way, but change shouldn't be shot down so quickly and vehemently. We don't know the scope of the changes in Sanctuary, so I say don't pass hasty judgment.
I honestly wish they didn't keep any of the previous classes, it's a new game after all, not a new d2 expansion, but since they kept the barb I hpe he'll get serious remake. So while I like the d2 necro, I don't want to see it in d3. Imo the WD seems cool and it's definitely a similar character to the necro, renewed, and I wouldn't like a necro and a WD.
LordJulio
09-07-2008, 01:01
i must say that rigth now im like WTF!!! what they take out the necro, i want to see it 3d with all his skills.........
But honestly im just annoyed because they take back the barb but not the necro. I guess when the game came out im just going to say "well lets see what u got WD" and then " OMG this is great" (I hope).......
There are still some unique skills that maybe are going to die with the necro
Anyway they have not say the final word, they are still in....... em.... i donmt remember...............
Forumancer
09-07-2008, 01:45
Witch doctor? "NECRO"Mancer? What?!?!?! Make a FORUMANCER! *Casts revive on forum*
lionheart
09-07-2008, 06:58
Just one thing for the people that say i dont want to play d2 again.
If they had brought the necromancer is not like they were gonna bring the same exact thing as before. The look would have been different and im sure it would have had a whole new array of skills or improved ones. I dont think you could have gone with the exact same strategy and just beat the game because you knew how the old necro worked. You can see that they have changed stuff on the barbarian, its not a cornucopia of the old one.
Anyway i have no problem whatsoever in playing the witch doctor and other new classes they come out with
ciprialex
17-07-2008, 12:19
polling is fun , for voting purposes and such, but the thread itself is pointless, since there's no way to fit in the necro with only 3 classes left, with obvious ranged/magic/holy classes left untouched yet.
Cwicseolfor
22-07-2008, 07:34
Lets be realistic here. WD might not be a replacement but the necromancer WAS removed. The WD has many themes and concepts from the necromancer so... if a necro, similar to the D2 was used, it would have some similiarities with the WD which is certainly not what Blizzard wants as I am sure they want to have every class to have diferent styles.
No, the necromancer just wasn't ADDED. Based on Blizzard's response, it'd seem like they haven't really thought about the other 3 character classes yet.
I'm not saying the Necro will be added, but Blizzard doesn't seem to have thought about it either way.
AxlStrife
22-07-2008, 19:29
...Based on Blizzard's response, it'd seem like they haven't really thought about the other 3 character classes yet.
Ron Pardo (http://www.gamespot.com/video/930659/6193139/diablo-iii-interview) (from 2:05 to 2:14) disagrees.
this is what happened: ah, we need something new. what about we take an necromancer, change his skill animation, change his armor and moves, calls him witch doctor.
I played necro and always loved necro. I think WD is not as cool cos I loved necro too much. if necromancer gets a upgrade into D3 they will have exactly what WDs are having at the moment, like that wall of zumbies. maybe if they called them Necro Doctor I will like them better.
every current RPG games have classes address direct magic, indirect magic, range, close combat. with WD showing up I see Necro is not coming back. period. u will still see some class using bows but not called amazon, someone casting lighting spells but not called sorceress. that is alright. we are getting D3. I will take anything.
GreatInRemembrance
23-07-2008, 02:05
They'd need a good story as to why the followers of Rathma, so concerned with upholding the balance in the world, all of the sudden just disappeared from this conflict.
They'd need a good story as to why the followers of Rathma, so concerned with upholding the balance in the world, all of the sudden just disappeared from this conflict.
Meanwhile in the underground city of the Priests of Rathma:
"Come on man, the balance of the world is in jeopardy again."
*click* *click* *click*
"Not right now Rob. I just joined a group for Scarlet Monastery. I'm going to get Whitemane's Chapeau tonight, I can feel it..."
:D
Fleshanthos
04-03-2011, 12:15
That's a witch doctor. It's NOT a Necromancer.
= I'm NOT buying D3.
They bring back the Barb and axe everyone else? Then give some BS story about how they're reinventing him? That is being the biggest pricks ever.
you would think Blizzard would have learned with:
http://hideyourarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/diablolarge-480x393.jpg
But nope. They want to continue to be stupid and ignore what the PAYING customers want.
I'm not touching this game with an empty "promise" of "maybe" a Necro in the future. Forget it.
It would be not hard at all for them to add old classes. It doesn't even need to be changed. You are ADDING content that is DEMANDED, not making a new game stale. If others hate the old class, then they don't have to play it. I don't play Barbs in D2 because it's not my style, and I wouldn't play them in D3. As it is I won't be playing anything in D3.
And I urge ALL necromancers to boycott the game. Show Blizzard that they better LISTEN to their customers. It's not enough to just not buy the game. I will NOT buy it the day it is released and tell them WHY. I will not buy it a week after, and I will tell them WHY. I will not buy it a month after either, and I will again tell them WHY. They are not getting one red cent from me.
The more of us who do this, the more the entire industry can change. Let us gamers tell the companies what we want - and that we had damn well better be listened to!
Well, one thing you can say about Fleshanthos is at least he role plays his chosen class, using necromancy on this thread and all.
I really should have chimed in on this upon announcement as well. Seeing the cartoony rainbow gags just crack me up next to the actual screenshots and gameplay videos showing demons exploding in fountains of blood that put crazy animes to shame.
As for the necro class itself, yeah, time for a change, new classes, ect. if they added a necro class to Diablo III in an expac or DL content or patch or something, i would roll at least one, but I probably wouldn't level it like I would my witch doctor or wizard.
Does it have a place in Diablo III? Sure, but I'm not going to throw a tantrum if it doesn't make the cut even after all of it's xpacs.
LucianDK
05-03-2011, 21:03
The witch doctor is a worthy reinvention of the necromancer. Lots of cool new themes with the creepy voodoo doctor flavor. Give the WD a chance before you diss him, while nostalgia can be good at times, dont let it blind you to new possibilities.
And as I said in another thread, the witch doctor theme is fairly unexplored and with far less bagage, allowing the dev team to go really crazy in developing potent and unique abilities youve never seen before. Look at the spider jars, or the charging, melting zombies as some of the more creative, new abilities. Instead of the more common necromancer staples one would expect for it to feel like a proper necromancer. Such as summoning undead minions, or using dark magic.
Fleshanthos
06-03-2011, 17:11
No he isn't. A worthy reinvention would be equal to the barb, who is also said to be reinvented. A worthy reinvention would be the necro included in D3.
You don't include one previous class, and say "screw you" to everyone else.
That is my main point. That is why blizzard are being utter pricks.
You either invent only new classes or reinvent ALL of the old ones (not just one) or else you do both.
I wouldn't mind getting entirely the same thing on a new game. I wouldn't mind D2 rereleased with updated game engine - hell I bought TIE fighter THREE TIMES. The same frikkin game. With updated graphics/functionality EVERY TIME. I don't play TIE fighter any more. I still play D2, 11 years after its release. Hell, I play original DIablo more often than XvsTIE. Think there might be a market for my kind of con$umer? Maybe?
I would love to be a cu$tomer who feels as included in D3 as the barb players are. I would be the first to grab the game as soon as the doors open to the store, the same as I was for D2 and LoD years and years ago.
But Blizzard are being *******s and idiots. They could simply put the old stuff in with no change and I would be frikkin happy.
Don't hand me bull**** and tell me it's chocolate. I know bull**** when I see it. There is room enough on modern systems to include all the old classes; there is time enough to add them and balance them; they already have 11 years worth of data and observations on that. I can tell you that here is one guy at least who is not going to spend one CENT on D3. Pretty stupid thing for a company to do in this economic climate; pissing off and losing past cu$tomers.
Cool story, bro. I hope you enjoy not playing D3 while I poison and explode various things with my bad-*** voodoo jungle-man.
Fleshanthos
06-03-2011, 18:07
hey be my guest. If you don't mind being slapped in the face, go ahead and turn the other cheek. I won't, and I sure refuse to take whatever is thrown my way.
I'll play Titan Quest instead. Maybe I'll go buy Guild Wars. Screw blizzard.
Why is it the necrofans are so butthurt compared to the amazon fans, the druid fans, the paladin fans... ect. What's funny, is us true knight in shining armor fans have even more to ***** about than the dark pet class fans do, and you don't see us *****ing and moaning.
Go play Titan Quest and Guild Wars, they're both crap compared to Diablo II, they wouldn't exist without Diablo and Diablo III is going to smoke the **** out of them, with or without a necromancer.
You're right though, that the only class being brought back is the barbarian. But again, I don't see nearly as much crying coming out of the amazon, paladin, assassin, druid, and sorceress camps as we are seeing out of the Necromancer camps.
The real joke will be when they have paladin in the first xpac but not Necro, because the paladin replacements in Diablo III are much further from a match for paladin as the WD is a replacement for the necro.
I'm not *****ing about a lack of a knight and shining armor here, I'm just saying old necro fans that hate on the WD really are missing the boat.
The assassins have a Monk, who does assassin MA better than D2 could do. I'm cool.
I think that when it comes to looks and just the idea of the character, the necro is way cooler in theory. But now that we've seen many WD skills, it's the necro perfected. Although I will miss my necro, I am excited to play the WD. Whereas the necro just had summoning and bone spells primarily (with 3 poison skills that became very, very powerful once synergies came to be). The witch doctor has many summoning, fire, poison and arcane spells. Which adds so much more variety than the necro could have ever had. If they wanted to bring back the necro they would have to add spell types that he didn't have in d2. I do believe that the inspiration for the WD fire skills was from the necro using fire spells with trang'ouls on (I probably just misspelled that).
These "necro or bust!" rants have awesome entertainment value. The necro always had the most irrationally fanatic fanboy loyalty pre-d2, so it's nice to see some things carry over, a decade later. The way Fleshanthos personalizes the design decision is fascinating, to me. There's no PK switch, no town portals, no potion purchases, no gambling, etc, in D3. Are those all "slaps in the face" as well? When does a design decision made by a huge development team become a personal insult? Should I boycott the game b/c they probably won't name an NPC merc after me this time? I think I'd have a better case than a necro fan, after all, no Flux merc actually could be realistically construed as a personal insult!
As for the character design decision, D3 isn't really built for passive, stand back and curse, watch the minions go, D2 Necro play style. None of the D3 characters can do that, and the only mind control skills are much more direct and short duration.
The D3 Team wanted their summoner to have more direct attacks and weaker, more varied, shorter-lived minions, so they made up a new class that better fit that form. If they'd brought back the necro he'd play much like the WD, and I doubt the necro fans would be satisified with that anyway?
They weren't going to bring back teh barb either, and he was not in their initial character designs. But the brawling melee tank they were working on gradually became more and more Barbarian like, and after a while they realized they might as well call him a Barb, since everyone would just say he was the same class anyway.
Lanthanide
10-03-2011, 21:36
All you have to do whenever a fan posts on a fansite forum saying they'll boycott the game because the developer has made some (generally minor) change that they're angry about, just link them to this picture:
http://gamebane.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/boycotters-playing-modern-warfare-2.jpg
GuardianHadriel
10-03-2011, 23:10
Who cares? I'm a Barb!
Im done with the Necro, i played him for a long time, tried many builds and have a pretty good pvp build, so im done with him.
Another thing, i love all the five classes in D3 not like in D2.
LucianDK
20-03-2011, 14:17
If you want the necromancer so much, stay with diablo 2.
The new reimagined barbarian is highly unlike the diablo2 barbie, but as blizzard themselves said they originally didnt call the class concept for barbarian. But as they iterated and refined on the NEW mechanics, it was so barbarian like it was only sensible to return him. If you think you are getting the diablo2 barbarian, you are highly mistaken.
Personally I am intrigued by how they have screwed together the new classes with new features and resource systems, making them seen alike the older clases to draw older fans. Using elements from them in an entirely new and freshly reimagined version to appeal to veterans and drive them to master this new version. I dont know with you, but Id want to play a Diablo3 that is an evolution over diablo2, and not just a diablo3 with upgraded graphics.
Sure Diablo2 was all the rage in its heyday, but everything evolves, it does not stay stale, and so gameplay mechanics and what we take for granted to recieve in games have likely evolved. That is what makes me all eager to play with the new take on the dark caster archetype, something NEW that isnt a tired rehash of what we have seen in so many other places again and again and why I feel the witch doctor stands out as the most promising of the new classes as it is such an unexplored concept from the gothic horror world.
But if i should say something I feel that needs more polish when speaking about the spellcasters. When I look at the wizard, I cant help but seeing a random, generic spellcaster type, having naught but abilities you have seen in so many other games, that pretty much have become synonymous with a generic magic user. All from fireballs to blizzards, boring and uninspired imo. Then i am far more intrigued by the abilities that the witch doctor brings. Because it is a freshly imagined class, without the bagage of heavy expectations, it has allowed blizzard to go wild and design awesome sounding abilities to really put the emphasis on their vision of a gnarled witch doctor with his vodoo magic. And so far i am really floored by what im seeing in previews and the skills known on the wiki.
But to get back to the wizard, what i think long term interest really would hinge on, is how its resource mechanic turns out to be. That arcane power, where supposely you could spam and spam, but if you didnt pace yourself you would leave you highly vulnerable from being so reckless, but adding more power to the shots as well.
But from base up, the witch doctor currently sits in the lead of two to me.
Flesh, that was uncalled for and completely rude and all, and it doesn't help you at all. many here understand wanting their favorite class back. Sooner or later, you'll face the reality about the fact that a new game has new classes. Heck, I miss the assassin, but finally get a Monk who does MA better then the sin. Then I learn we only get 7 skills. That's less than half of what I intended to use! I understand things not appealing completely. It's your turn to be mature about it.
That all said, feel free to keep hope. They've said they designed the classes so there's still a niche for the necro that hasn't been used yet. With 2 Xpacs scheduled, go ahead and pray.
LucianDK
20-03-2011, 17:05
Flesh, that was uncalled for and completely rude and all, and it doesn't help you at all. many here understand wanting their favorite class back. Sooner or later, you'll face the reality about the fact that a new game has new classes. Heck, I miss the assassin, but finally get a Monk who does MA better then the sin. Then I learn we only get 7 skills. That's less than half of what I intended to use! I understand things not appealing completely. It's your turn to be mature about it.
That all said, feel free to keep hope. They've said they designed the classes so there's still a niche for the necro that hasn't been used yet. With 2 Xpacs scheduled, go ahead and pray.
Imo its better to have fewer skills that actually have a meaningful use and not just being a junk filler until you can get to use your real skill. The Sorceress being quite guilty in that respect. Firebolt>Fireball>Meteor or Icebolt>Iceblast>Glacial Spike>Frozen Orb the result was that people ended up having a torturous experience until lvl 30 when frozen orb became available, because respecs wasnt in the game at that time. And where blizzard bandaided it with synergies to give the lesser skills some use, only with the consequence that it severely hampered build choice because synergy skills became mandatory for their passive bonuses to pump your main nuke.
That's for another thread, and nothing I said had to do with synergies.
LucianDK
20-03-2011, 17:34
That's for another thread, and nothing I said had to do with synergies.
I was just commenting about your remarks about the monk having fewer skills than the assassin.
No, you mentioned synergies and its impact on skill selection, which has nothing to do with either class.
Not sure I like what the necromancer represents in this diablo. I may find another class.
BelialsWrath
08-04-2011, 07:16
Witch Doctor. time for a change. new classes are good.
HuggaBear
08-04-2011, 07:26
I loved necros in D2, fishy was always my go to build for resets or coming back after inactivity for ease and because I liked playing it.
I think the actual character idea of the necromancers was a good one too, with a far more interesting backstory than the others.
That said, times change. While I'd like to hear more about them for the interest of their story I have no problem not playing them anymore. While I'll miss a lot of their aspects I haven't touched the new classes yet. Complaining when you don't know seems odd.
With 2 Xpacs scheduled, go ahead and pray.
What? Who announced two expansion packs?
... Let me follow that up with a disclaimer - We aren’t thinking about an expansion at all yet ...
Quote taken from this post: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/bashiok-on-box-art-leaks-and-maximum-level-expansion-complaints/
For me, it's the flavor of the character rather than his skill set. I just don't have any want to play a hunchbacked jungle themed character. I liked the dark Gothic style necro with his bone themed armor. Big reason why (when I played, I no longer do) in WoW I preferred the warlock to the shaman. I just don't like the tribal theme, it doesn't fit in with my sense of style.
Maybe if the developers downplay the jungle theme or give players the option of giving the WD some gothic flair I can accept that. The thought of the possibility of my end game gear being a garishly painted wooden mask that looks like a kindergarten project doesn't thrill me. give me the bones of my enemies dripping with blood, and spikes everywhere!
GuardianHadriel
12-04-2011, 23:37
@ Asrrin
The jungle theme is a good new flavour that easily fits into the Diablo universe, it does not have to be 'dark' to be gothic.
What? Who announced two expansion packs?
Quote taken from this post: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/bashiok-on-box-art-leaks-and-maximum-level-expansion-complaints/
Yes, two XPacs (http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/blizzard-release-dates-leaked/). Them not currently developing them doesn't forbid them from existing two years from now.
Let me follow that up with a disclaimer - We aren’t thinking about an expansion at all yet
I.E. they are focusing all their work hours on finishing the core game. To say "they aren't thinking about an expansion" just means they don't have anyone working on it.
Konfeta, they definitely are thinking about an expansion. Definitely. But they said they weren't. I must admit that it is probably better to not take what they say too literally.
As for the chart.. I had totally forgotten about that chart! Sass, that chart may not be legitimate- but for some reason, I trust it. I too am hoping that those titles are real and stay on their target release dates.
I just foudn the article where it was speculation, but Blizz later went out and commented on it. It was followed up with "hoping to hit 2011, but 2012 is possible." Covering their rumps basically. ;)
BelialsWrath
14-04-2011, 16:47
I would not want to see a same class with the same skills again in D3, I WANT CHANGE.That, and I never could see what was so fantastic about the Necromancer.
I would not want to see a same class with the same skills again in D3, I WANT CHANGE.That, and I never could see what was so fantastic about the Necromancer.
But ... the Barbarian is the same class with some of the same skills, and I see a lot of excitement for it. You don't like the Barbarian class, I take it?
The excitement comes from the new system that the class is in. The Barbarian now has an opportunity to be a lot more versatile and a lot more balanced compared to the caster classes.
Here's the logic - If you think about, wouldn't it at least be slightly cool if another one of the old classes came back? Even if it had the same skills, players need to take into account Runes, a new Resource System, and Traits.
Stats are balanced differently - things play out differently in Diablo 3. Old strategies would have to be scrapped and re-imagined to suit the new rules of the game. The equipment a character wears in Diablo II is going to be completely different than the equipment a character wears in Diablo 3. Perhaps a melee Necro would be not only viable, but one of the most powerful Necro builds available - something not possible in Diablo 2.
If the Necromancer comes back, he will resemble the original Necromancer only so much. I think that to play any returning class will feel like a completely new experience, though I acknowledge that certain aspects will stay the same only for nostalgia's sake.
One last thing I'd like to add - Look at Starcraft 2. They kept the same three races. They didn't make three new ones. Look at the units - many of them are the same. Sometimes, it's better to just stick with something people are familiar with, that way basic concepts about the that thing are able to be picked up more quickly.
BelialsWrath
18-04-2011, 23:13
ah I See what you`re saying. I agree. :orly
@ Asrrin
The jungle theme is a good new flavour that easily fits into the Diablo universe, it does not have to be 'dark' to be gothic.
I think you meant Gothic to be "dark." I agree, the jungle theme fits in-universe, and you can certainly get nice dark themes without the gothic look, but I like the gothic look. And by gothic, I mean victorian turn of the century morbid gothic, not the emo, I'm a vampire no one likes me gothic. One of my favorite places in D2 is the Chaos Sanctuary because of the gothic architecture.
Gerahben
05-05-2011, 18:29
I would have rather played an updated Necromancer than the Witch Doctor in Diablo 3 simply because of the importance of Necromancers in the lore of Sanctuary. However, I can understand why they would not include the Necromancer in the game and am perfectly happy with the Witch Doctor.
-Gerahben
UnderLines
22-05-2011, 15:43
I loved necros in D2, fishy was always my go to build for resets or coming back after inactivity for ease and because I liked playing it.
I think the actual character idea of the necromancers was a good one too, with a far more interesting backstory than the others.
I'm exactly the same way. Have quit and come back 4 or so times since my first time playing. Always Necro first when returning. I love the aesthetic and having a big army following me around. After playing through the short demo at Blizzcon last year I left unimpressed with the the Witch Doctor. I will probably starting with my second go to character, the caster class(Wizard).
Thrakhath
24-05-2011, 15:48
There isn't really an option on the poll that represents my view, so I can't vote.
I LOVE the witch doctor so far. His playstyle suits me so well, I will love him more than I ever loved the D2 necromancer.
Saying that, I had about 20 necromancers in D2 (out of about 30 characters total), I was totally obsessed. I am all for a necromancer remake in the expansion, alongside the witch doctor.
The D3 necro should be mainly minion-based, and if this was done in the right way, the character could still take a lot of skill to create and be totally different from the WD.
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