Thinking about a Fireblast Sin, need help

[saellison]

I am thinking about making a claw/claw Fire Blast/Trap assassin. It looks like alot of fun teleing on top of people and fire blasting them. Heres the skill layout I was looking at:


enough in clawblock for 60ish% and 1 reqs
1 burst of speed
1 fade
1 MB and reqs
1 wake of fire
20 Fire Blast
20 Shock Web
20 LS
20 CS
rest into Death Sentry

I was fooling around on an editor and I ended up with like 9k-10k traps and 6kish fireblast with the set-up I am looking at using. I had planned on using 2 +3 trap or +5 trap claws. Of course that was with perfect gear. The numbers seem like they would work out. Even though the traps are strong I want to focus on fire blast tele stomping. I had a couple other questions though for anyone who knows the mechanics of fire blast.

- Is Fireblast decent at stunning if you telestomp with it?
- Is Fireblasting an effective tactic in PvP?
- I would assume MB then FB stomp would lock fairly well?
- This is a rahter specific question but i'll ask it anyways. How well would a MB+telestomp with shockweb followed by fireblast work?
- Would a Wep/Shield set work better than Claw/Claw? Like a Hoto/Spirit sword with a storm for maxblock.

[jakotaco]

Shock Web has a 25 frame nexthit Delay and would probably be beneficial to most enemies. Else, afaik there is a guie in the stickies on the so called "Bombasin" or somehting, might be worth a look.

edit: another cool thing is that a shadow warrior can get fireblasts with all it's synergies if you manage to make her cast them before.

[TienJe]

I am thinking about making a claw/claw Fire Blast/Trap assassin. It looks like alot of fun teleing on top of people and fire blasting them. Heres the skill layout I was looking at:


enough in clawblock for 60ish% and 1 reqs
1 burst of speed
1 fade
1 MB and reqs
1 wake of fire
20 Fire Blast
20 Shock Web
20 LS
20 CS
rest into Death Sentry

I was fooling around on an editor and I ended up with like 9k-10k traps and 6kish fireblast with the set-up I am looking at using. I had planned on using 2 +3 trap or +5 trap claws. Of course that was with perfect gear. The numbers seem like they would work out. Even though the traps are strong I want to focus on fire blast tele stomping. I had a couple other questions though for anyone who knows the mechanics of fire blast.

- Is Fireblast decent at stunning if you telestomp with it?
- Is Fireblasting an effective tactic in PvP?
- I would assume MB then FB stomp would lock fairly well?
- This is a rahter specific question but i'll ask it anyways. How well would a MB+telestomp with shockweb followed by fireblast work?
- Would a Wep/Shield set work better than Claw/Claw? Like a Hoto/Spirit sword with a storm for maxblock.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xSnZgbYON1A

mine is a fire/fb build, but ls/fb builds work just fine as well.

EDIT: http://youtube.com/watch?v=f8ofeLmira4&feature=related <-- andrews sin with the same build

[wizAdept]

Some old footage of my LS/FB sin in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsyAW7jqew

Spirit phase blade/stormshield 102fcr/86fhr build comes out to 10k ls/7.5k fb at level 99 (1 fade 1 shadowmaster 1 mb 20 fb 80 ls = all your skill points) with 2x facets in circlet. In that vid I was using res jewels in circlet/ss so thats 10k ls/6.8k fb in the vid. Also to note this is on a priv realm with optimized gear so it comes out to 4.3k hp maxblock, on bnet at ~levels 90-95 you should be looking at a 3.8-4k hp maxblock build with this same type of setup. 08valk setups are also very good for bnet, lower damage higher hp.

I recommend maxing LS/synergies first for the 10k ls and work fb from there, should be ~4k or more fb once you get over level 90, that should be enough to pk. Part of what makes fb so deadly is it's also a great tool to stunlock while LS adds to the damage, not just for stomping casters outside traps.

"c/c or w/s" really depends on who you want to duel more, obviously a 102 c/c 8.5k fb build is better vs some casters than a 102 w/s 7.5k fb build. However you can't dare to fb smiters or barbs on a c/c build but its fairly safe to do so on w/s, stomping bowazons is also easier on w/s, necros, sorcs, nongriefing hammerdins, and other such casters are easier with a c/c build. Both builds viable just depends what kind of build you want for which types of opponents you are looking to duel.

[saellison]

Some old footage of my LS/FB sin in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsyAW7jqew

Spirit phase blade/stormshield 102fcr/86fhr build comes out to 10k ls/7.5k fb at level 99 (1 fade 1 shadowmaster 1 mb 20 fb 80 ls = all your skill points) with 2x facets in circlet. In that vid I was using res jewels in circlet/ss so thats 10k ls/6.8k fb in the vid. Also to note this is on a priv realm with optimized gear so it comes out to 4.3k hp maxblock, on bnet at ~levels 90-95 you should be looking at a 3.8-4k hp maxblock build with this same type of setup. 08valk setups are also very good for bnet, lower damage higher hp.

I recommend maxing LS/synergies first for the 10k ls and work fb from there, should be ~4k or more fb once you get over level 90, that should be enough to pk. Part of what makes fb so deadly is it's also a great tool to stunlock while LS adds to the damage, not just for stomping casters outside traps.

"c/c or w/s" really depends on who you want to duel more, obviously a 102 c/c 8.5k fb build is better vs some casters than a 102 w/s 7.5k fb build. However you can't dare to fb smiters or barbs on a c/c build but its fairly safe to do so on w/s, stomping bowazons is also easier on w/s, necros, sorcs, nongriefing hammerdins, and other such casters are easier with a c/c build. Both builds viable just depends what kind of build you want for which types of opponents you are looking to duel.

I remember seeing that vid along time ago. Thats exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. I have to decide between w/s or c/c. I will probably build in maxblock with the storm for dealing with smiters/barbs/zons. I was messign around with a 102 FCR c/c build on open and was able to effectively lock alot of casters. I have another question:

It seems like FB is based off IAS like traps. If it is are the breakpoints the same for FB as they are for traps?

[TienJe]

It seems like FB is based off IAS like traps. If it is are the breakpoints the same for FB as they are for traps?
.correcto.

[KamikazeDreamer]

Some old footage of my LS/FB sin in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsyAW7jqew

Spirit phase blade/stormshield 102fcr/86fhr build comes out to 10k ls/7.5k fb at level 99 (1 fade 1 shadowmaster 1 mb 20 fb 80 ls = all your skill points) with 2x facets in circlet. In that vid I was using res jewels in circlet/ss so thats 10k ls/6.8k fb in the vid. Also to note this is on a priv realm with optimized gear so it comes out to 4.3k hp maxblock, on bnet at ~levels 90-95 you should be looking at a 3.8-4k hp maxblock build with this same type of setup. 08valk setups are also very good for bnet, lower damage higher hp.

I recommend maxing LS/synergies first for the 10k ls and work fb from there, should be ~4k or more fb once you get over level 90, that should be enough to pk. Part of what makes fb so deadly is it's also a great tool to stunlock while LS adds to the damage, not just for stomping casters outside traps.

"c/c or w/s" really depends on who you want to duel more, obviously a 102 c/c 8.5k fb build is better vs some casters than a 102 w/s 7.5k fb build. However you can't dare to fb smiters or barbs on a c/c build but its fairly safe to do so on w/s, stomping bowazons is also easier on w/s, necros, sorcs, nongriefing hammerdins, and other such casters are easier with a c/c build. Both builds viable just depends what kind of build you want for which types of opponents you are looking to duel.

I'm definately doing this, but I have a few questions.

1.) I couldn't see in the vid, are you running fade of Bos? I'm looking at the ias calc and it seems nearly impossible to hit 9frame traps with a spirit pb/ss, while maintaining 102fcr, without BoS.
2.) Any particular reason you swith to FB on right click when you have it on left?
3.) Also, how/when are you using psy hammer over mb?
4.) a more detailed run down on your gear would be awesome. I'm working on gearing mine up right now and have a few places I'm not sure what's best.

Thanks

[wizAdept]

1 - using fade vs blizz sorc. need 42+ ias to fade with spirit pb. I use 3x 15res/15ias jewels to do this, 2 in circlet, 1 in stormshield. Normal equipping is a circlet with 2x facets, and ber'd stormshield, using the BoS setup for pretty much every matchup aside blizzard sorcs or if I need to get rid of amp in teams. The traditional way shell sins faded on east was to use a 15/15'd 08 valk, you can also fade with 15/15 valk + shael'd wizardspike if you want more resist stack with a valk setup.
2 - I dont use leftclick aside from walking, reason I like fb on rightclick is I can chain easy, stomp with rightclick tele, namelock rightclick fb, and I can mb/trap/tele back on them without losing that rightclick namelock if they get away.
3 - psychic hammer autotargets like foh or dflight, this has some uses for offscreen stun, or a quick stun when I dont have a namelock, or just to throw the opponent off. Always mindblast over ph when you can get a namelock but ph has its uses in duels.|
4 - TienJe has a pretty nice writeup on w/s trappers here: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=660248

Gear that I used on asnpk:
spirit pb/ber'd ss
enigma/arach/magefists/wbands(tri res/fhr/frw/str boots)
ravenfrost/bk (swap bk for wisp or dwarf if you need)
2x facet 2/20fcr/20dex/frw/res/+ circlet
2sin/10fcr/10%increased block/20dex/+ safty craft amulet

1x trap/fhr, 8x trap/hp, 2x 7015, rest 520s

This comes out to 102fcr/86fhr, max resists on BoS, 75% block, more than 4k hp, 50dr, 10k ls damage, 7.5k fb damage @ level 99
Fireblast should be the last thing you max out if you are building this on bnet, you'll have more than 4k fb damage when you get ~level 90, which is more than enough to start pking players with it. Remember its also a very effective source of stun so you want to try to stun players with it so they take more damage from your Light Sentry.


Having a ring slot open for bk or sorb is a good idea although you could do something like circlet/raven/ fcr stat ring/ shide if you want to save on the stats and have higher hp on a bnet build, but then you lose your sorb option. Valk solves a lot of breakpoints but +2 skills make a circlet the better choice for higher budgets, since w/s sins lack the +skills a c/c build could get.

The traditional shell build (ls/fb w/s) as developed by ghost-shell a number of years ago on east was:
spirit pb/ -req/res ss
15/15ias 08 valk
enigma/mfists/arach/vtramples
shide/raven/bk

[KamikazeDreamer]

So if I don't have a 2os circ as of yet (have a 1os) am I all right as long as I don't mess with blizz sorcs because I can BoS? This will be on bnet, assuming I can find a spirit pb on EaScNl... I should be able to scrape together enough res scs to do decent. Thanks for the help.

[wizAdept]

Yeah w/s sins do fine on BoS for pretty much all duels 1v1. You hit trap bps fine without needing ias, only thing is when a blizz sorc comes in, or foher, or auradin, or you want to get rid of amp in teams, having a swap setup in your stash to fade is a good idea. You dont need to fade otherwise though, ber'd SS is 50 dr with enigma and you should have enough resists on BoS for all other opponents.